Actual guild house, rather than guild member's house

AardvarkChips · January 2018

Is it possible to assign one housing slot to a guild, in which they could have an actual guild hall, owned by the guild regardless of who in leadership comes or goes, so the guild leaders aren't relegated to never being able to have their own private home as a primary? Either that, or a drop down on the guild roster, which allows us to visit any of that player's homes with the appropriate permissions?

BloodWolfe · January 2018

I agree.

Venom4You · January 2018

agreed. It should be possible to purchase a house with money stored in the guild bank and thereby make it guild property showing in the guild rooster like a merchant or a claimed keep. The current guild leader should be able to manage the housing rights. but at least everyone in the guild should be able to access the house. This would mean that ZOS needs to banish the crown store only houses though which would be a good thing anyway.

Shadowfell · January 2018

Was having a discussion about this only the other day and it would be a good thing to have Guild houses/halls. I use my island as the Guild Island but I'd rather have a Guild hall.

I suppose doing it the way it is does mean that you get a variety of Guild buildings - if we were restricted to only buildings that you can buy with IC gold then there would only be a few different buildings.

Also - what do you do if the Guild folds??

Woefulmonkey · January 2018

I agree this would be cool... however there are some issues that would need to be resolved.

Who can these 'Guild Hall' be purchased?

If someone pays 'real' money for this home, that is a problem.

If they leave the guild they could claim ownership.

What if the guild disbands 'who' does the home go to then?

For this to work I think you would need to say the 'home' could only be purchase with in game gold that comes from the 'Guild Bank' and that the 'Guild' owns it so if the 'Guild' disbands they house is 're-possessed' by ESO.

There are also some questions about who can 'design' the home and how can furniture be purchased.

In terms of furniture I would say they would have to enforce a rule that 'Guild Houses' can only be populated with furniture that was 'donated' to the guild bank and you can't purchase furniture to populate the house directly, and again if the 'Guild' disbands all furniture is 're-possessed' by ESO.

Nestor · January 2018

If a Guild Master decides to pay real money for the house, that is on them. A lot of GMs already pay for things like Teamspeak Servers, so this is not new. If the GM leaves the game, the home has already been donated to the guild. As for Guilds folding, I guess the same thing that happens to the bank happens to the home. Not sure if anything happens to the bank or not. But no need to over-complicate it, the guild folds the home goes away. Or it sits in limbo until someone resurrects the guild, if that is even possible.

Anyway, we need a Guild House not a house the GM designates as a Primary.

The issues I see are population limits, so that can be a problem. Perhaps they just not allow dueling or have an instanced building/arena that stuff takes place in.

The other issue is decorating the place, in reference to guildies donating items to the home. That can get clunky/ignored if the mail system is used to send things around. So we would need some way to designate people who can add things to the home, or perhaps a storage container they put things into so the decorators can add things to the home. Same thing with Decorators, only they can remove things from the home, but are limited to putting the item in the storage container. Only the GM can return the items to the donator, not take them for themselves for another home.

I don't think we need a large number of guild halls, perhaps 9 would cover it. 3 large ones, 3 medium sized ones, and 3 small ones.

Woefulmonkey · January 2018

Hi Nestor,

Not everyone shares your opinion that if you spend your own money on a home for a guild that you should loose everything if the guild disbands because it is inactive.

You may be ok with paying real money for your Guild especially when you are leading the guild, are in control of the resources and the guild is 'active'.

But funny things happen to peoples opinions when they realize that they spent hundreds real dollars on a 'Virtual' home and then are told because they leave a guild that those items no longer belong to them.

Or that just because they want to disband an inactive guild that they Guild House they spent years on is just going in the trash.

I am in 100% agreement that 'Guild Houses' should be added as 'Guild Owned' properties. I just think it needs to be very clear what happens when the guild Disbands.

By making all transactions for a 'Guild House' have to come from a 'Guild Bank' and use 'In Game' currency you eliminate ambiguities in 'ownership' since no 'Player' directly spends their own money on the 'House'. They have to first donate items or money to the 'Guild Bank'.

I get that a 'new' guild might want to short cut the process of rising in game gold to buy a house by spending 'real' money buying one. However, if that is the case then I would say they should allow 'Players' to donate a 'House Deed' to a 'Guild Bank' so it is clear they are 'Giving' the house to the 'Guild' and relinquishing ownership.

However, I would also say that getting 'Guilds' to raise money for a guild hall is a good team building event that helps bring your guild community together for a purpose.

SirCritical · January 2018

Sure, we need. Just won't happen.

AardvarkChips · January 2018

A lot of good points made, but I would suggest that there could easily be an exception made to the crown-only for guild, on a one-per-guild basis. As others mentioned, the guild would fund raise and buy the home out of guild gold. Whether the furnishings would be redistributed to members, on the folding of a guild, would go about the same way a guild bank's contents go now.

My main purpose in this was, whether a guild master or other member buys a home with gold, or with crowns, in order for it to be a usable guild hall, it would have to be their primary residence, so guildmates can port to it. This locks the leader or member out of the ability to have their own, personal home, as a primary residence.

I know there are addons, but this is something I feel zos could easily do, whether they added a 501st spot to the roster, for the guild hall, or gave guilds the option of having 500 members and no guild hall, or 499 members and a guild hall.

MilwaukeeScott · January 2018

AardvarkChips wrote: »

Is it possible to assign one housing slot to a guild

Yes, please

bellatrixed · January 2018

Woefulmonkey wrote: »

Hi Nestor,

Not everyone shares your opinion that if you spend your own money on a home for a guild that you should loose everything if the guild disbands because it is inactive.

You may be ok with paying real money for your Guild especially when you are leading the guild, are in control of the resources and the guild is 'active'.

But funny things happen to peoples opinions when they realize that they spent hundreds real dollars on a 'Virtual' home and then are told because they leave a guild that those items no longer belong to them.

Or that just because they want to disband an inactive guild that they Guild House they spent years on is just going in the trash.

I don't mean to be mean, but I'm not sure exactly what people think would happen in that scenario?

I have had people donate real money to my guild (for enjin days, voice servers, crowns to decorate guild stuff, and what have you) and then eventually leave the guild. Have literally never had a problem with people demanding money back because most sane, rational adults realize they aren't entitled to get money back they gave as a donation in the first place.

Anyway, no need to reinvent the wheel; other games have already made guild housing and normally the guild leader can in fact buy things with cash shop currency and those items are then a part of the guild house no matter who owns the guild. I just am failing to see how there would ever be an issue here. Yeah, people have falling outs and move on, but that still doesn't entitle you to your money back. It's like going to a store and asking for a refund for the gifts you bought your ex because you broke up.

Nestor · January 2018

Woefulmonkey wrote: »

Hi Nestor,

Not everyone shares your opinion that if you spend your own money on a home for a guild that you should loose everything if the guild disbands because it is inactive.

@Woefulmonkey

I never said it would be the only way to buy a hall is with cash/crowns. Of course it would be so much better if the guild members donated gold for the house and it was purchased that way. But, some guilds are small, and not everyone wants to donate in game gold to their guild. So, Cash is just an option.

My point is, don't limit the way a guild hall can be purchased, give the people options.

bellatrixed · January 2018

Nestor wrote: »

Woefulmonkey wrote: »

Hi Nestor,

Not everyone shares your opinion that if you spend your own money on a home for a guild that you should loose everything if the guild disbands because it is inactive.

@Woefulmonkey

I never said it would be the only way to buy a hall is with cash/crowns. Of course it would be so much better if the guild members donated gold for the house and it was purchased that way. But, some guilds are small, and not everyone wants to donate in game gold to their guild. So, Cash is just an option.

My point is, don't limit the way a guild hall can be purchased, give the people options.

^^^ Exactly.

I don't understand the concept of giving money to a guild you think might screw you over anyway. Like sure, things happen, fallouts happen, but it's a calculated risk.

Personally I tend to play MMOs with the same group of friends and have for years. Some people in the group have more disposable income and don't mind donating $$$ for neat cash shop stuff for the guild. For example someone donated crowns to me so I could buy and drop a merchant in my primary which we use for the guild house. There's no reason to restrict a guild house from having crown donations.

I also spent a ton of $$$ for housing in SWTOR and Rift and no longer play those games... that doesn't mean I didn't get use out of the stuff while I was playing or need a refund since I'm no longer getting use out of it. Seriously some people's logic confuses me lol.

Woefulmonkey · January 2018

Ok, I get that there are Guild's out their that are pissed and want to have a 'True' Guild House.

I am not saying that should not exist.

I am not saying Guilds should not have 'some' way to buy these houses and register them to the guild.

What I am saying is that just because some or even most players might be willing to 'Give' money to a Guild to buy a House, not 'Everyone' share that opinion. Even people who share that opinion now might 'change' that opinion if they feel they got 'screwed' by their Guild in some way.

I know you may not care about those people but you are not ESO who is 'Selling' this game experience to 'All' players, not just you.

ESO has to consider how it's actions affect 'All' players and what the consequences are if say one guild member buys a house for a guild then get's kicked out and then decides to make a fuss saying 'Since they 'Paid' for the house, 'They' should own it'.

Again I am not saying this concern justifies not having a way to 'Buy' a Guild House. I am just saying that however this might work, it needs to be very clear that the person or persons who 'Give' a house to a Guild is relinquishing all rights to that house in the future.

Any time you allow for a system where a 'community' can share purchasing responsibilities, you are opening yourself for some nasty confutations, and ESO would be in the middle of those disagreements.

FloppyTouch · January 2018

Can we get a guild hall that lets more then just 25 members in at a time...

Ajaxandriel · January 2018

Insightful thread, but really I think the only relevant question is to improve the access system in Homestead

All these matters about ownership and so on, that's interesting but unapplicable. I don't want to see lawyers' mess into ESO

Since many players have bought homes and they made it some kind of 'guild halls' already ... then the only concern is the rights that one can share with one's guild.

- Remove the "primary residence" system. One should be able to decide how much houses and how much guilds he/she grants access to. Then we could state individually the access rights for each house.
- In fact it's already doable thanks to the addon "Port To Friend's House". But it should be in the base game. It's preventing people from buying more houses actually...

- Add new sharing features, and new confidence levels, in the housing tab.
- Sharing features like:

"Right to swich on/off the lights"
"Right to add furniture"
"Right to remove furniture"

- Confidence levels like:
"Guild house Supplier"
"Guild house Decorator"
"Guild House Visitor"

+ Not directly the same impact, but still... We should be able to read our custom name of the house in the UI (on doors mouseover at the very least - in the loadscreen and in our home-friendlist too if possible) ... To visit dozens of versions of the same "Mathiisen Manor" and the same "Tel Galen" is immersion-breaking ^^'

(I was suggesting something like this about a year ago https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3863617#Comment_3863617 )

Hoping someone would notice these ideas somewhere

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

SGT_Wolfe101st · January 2018

Shadowfell wrote: »

Was having a discussion about this only the other day and it would be a good thing to have Guild houses/halls. I use my island as the Guild Island but I'd rather have a Guild hall.

I suppose doing it the way it is does mean that you get a variety of Guild buildings - if we were restricted to only buildings that you can buy with IC gold then there would only be a few different buildings.

Also - what do you do if the Guild folds??

If the guild folds it goes to the last person standing. My first guild was one we created among friends, they all left and I was the last member, still had a bank. Short of that, if the guild is disbanded then so goes the hall.