Shawn_PT wrote: »

I don't find it ridiculous, the armor part. I do find it illogical for us to hold a big-ass mace and magically make it look like a dagger. That part I don't agree with.

btoop wrote: »

It is flawed (taking a simple hide helmet feature and changing it in a way to encourage people to buy more outfit slots) but beyond that it works fine and doesn't introduce any new issues- seeing as you can already use costumes in PVP.

Wait does this mean if we want to hide the helmet on a regular costume, we have to completely give up the new Outfit slot just to create one with hidden helmet? I thought hiding helmet would be possible at any time but would no longer be done through the use of the setting, instead needing a station to change that.

It is currently bugged but they are moving hide helmet to both outfits as well as being in your costumes as a Hat. However you can no longer hide the helmet on polymorphs because of this.

To determine armor your enemy is wearing, it's far wiser to look at their health totals than whatever costume they are wearing at the time.

Stovahkiin wrote: »

It actually looks like Zeni has done a really good job with this system (go look in the pts section).

My only concerns are the gold costs for outfits. It would also be nice to hide certain slots too, like shoulders.

I thought of that the other day while looking at one of my characters at the selection screen. He's wearing a monster set, and the shoulder opposite of the single monster piece looks so clean and svelte. In my opinion, we should be able to make any, or all, of the outfit pieces transparent or hidden.

This would make achieving some rare skin more valuable as you could appear to be running around in your underwear (not that stupid bather's towel) and show off your skin while still wearing a full set of armor.

The fact that Costumes exist and can be used in Cyrodiil pretty much renders this whole concern about what a player is using moot. You can put town clothes over any armor set in the game and hide it from other other players. It has been this way since costumes were introduced in the game, which is the beginning.

Wait...you can actually see the armor a character is using in PvP before you attack them? Really? I mean half the time the game gives me the visual that I'm casting healing springs with my sword and board when I'm in lag. When I've got the time to study any opponents, I will be looking at their weapons and their skills/actions. Not whether they're running two axes or two daggers, but whether they're dual wield or 2H or bow, etc. A basic assessment of character type (stam or magicka) and general things like class and weapon skills.

Very, very few people in PvP wear their armor out for everyone to see, because most of them run sets that are downright ugly. I mean seriously, any time I end up at a dye station and it forces me to look at a grothdarr head or a velidreth...ugh. I can't imagine how the outfit system will change anything about PvP play other than perhaps allowing the most picky of folks (who didn't like wearing costumes) to now wear sets that they found ugly before.

The only thing I find ridiculous about the system is the cost. We have already invested the time and money into farming/purchasing motifs. LOTS of it. Why on earth will I have to beggar my account just to use the outfit system? Not to mention those people who make money as crafters - why would you even pay someone to craft you gear in a particular style anymore? How about we lower the cost in the first place. Then, how about the ability for crafters to create "outfit stamps?" Basically, they make you an outfit template, sell it to you, then you can use it to stamp your outfit? This gives crafters a way to make money back for their investment, and other folks a way to get styles on their gear that they have neither the time nor money to farm.

ZOS_Maverick wrote: »

Shawn_PT wrote: »

I don't find it ridiculous, the armor part. I do find it illogical for us to hold a big-ass mace and magically make it look like a dagger. That part I don't agree with.

btoop wrote: »

It is flawed (taking a simple hide helmet feature and changing it in a way to encourage people to buy more outfit slots) but beyond that it works fine and doesn't introduce any new issues- seeing as you can already use costumes in PVP.

Wait does this mean if we want to hide the helmet on a regular costume, we have to completely give up the new Outfit slot just to create one with hidden helmet? I thought hiding helmet would be possible at any time but would no longer be done through the use of the setting, instead needing a station to change that.

There are two ways to hide helmet. One is using the outfit system via the Hide Helmet outfit style (which only hides gear.) The other is using the Hide Your Helm hat collectible, which can be used anytime anywhere via the Hat section of collections, and will hide the headwear part of a costume, as well as any helmet style in your outfit and your equipped helmet.

The Hide Your Helm is the true replacement of the setting. The Hide Helmet outfit style is an extra feature.

@ZOS_Maverick Too bad it's bugged in the PTS.

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

From a PVP point of view.

I'm only asking this because of the new guide the posted. So you can make your swords look like axes and your light armor look like heavy. This is going to be cool for PvE and just for showing off how great you look but in PvP this is very bad if you ask me, everyone will be wearing heavy armor (or so they look) except for tanks probably who are going to be naked (or so they look). You won't even know what you're fighting anymore until they pop some skill, does that guy have axes? Swords? Daggers? Two staffs? 3 bows? Questions.

Also what can the staff be replaced with? Or the bow?

You could wear a rag and look like a top level player in dungeons, that's cool.

I know that there are costumes but it's one thing to wear a costume and another to wear two axes when they are daggers, ridiculous.

There's an easy fix for this. Outfits are not usable in PvP (just like non-combat pets)

As for weapons, 1h weapons can be transmorged into any OTHER 1h weapon.
2h weapons (battle axes, 2h swords, hammers) can be transmorged into any OTHER 2h weapon.
bows and staves can only have the styles changed (since they are their own skill line)

I fail to see the problem with this.

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

ZOS_Maverick wrote: »

Shawn_PT wrote: »

I don't find it ridiculous, the armor part. I do find it illogical for us to hold a big-ass mace and magically make it look like a dagger. That part I don't agree with.

btoop wrote: »

It is flawed (taking a simple hide helmet feature and changing it in a way to encourage people to buy more outfit slots) but beyond that it works fine and doesn't introduce any new issues- seeing as you can already use costumes in PVP.

Wait does this mean if we want to hide the helmet on a regular costume, we have to completely give up the new Outfit slot just to create one with hidden helmet? I thought hiding helmet would be possible at any time but would no longer be done through the use of the setting, instead needing a station to change that.

There are two ways to hide helmet. One is using the outfit system via the Hide Helmet outfit style (which only hides gear.) ...

woe wait ...
if i choose hide my gear i can look naked? in just me shorts?
WOOOHOO I HOPE SO!
MAN I HOPE I CAN BE NAKEE IN MY ARMOR!
I LOVE THIS!

i hope i am understanding correctly!

nah, I want to finally transmog my daggers into swords. you can already hide your vampirism so hiding your weapons wouldn't be too much of a gameplay advantage

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

this is one of the most awesome things i have seen in eso since beta, and you want a vote to ask people if its Rediculas?
horrible thread this is.

ikr, we can already hide vampirism with skins and hide our armor with friggin bathing robes and he complains about this?

Can I make my character look like a tree?

Shardaxx wrote: »

Can I make my character look like a tree?

I used to do that in Everquest. Druids had a spell called "Tree Form" It basically rooted them so they couldnt' move, but cast in the middle of a forest...Good luck finding the druid as he's nuking the crap out of you.

I'm not sure what you mean by ridiculous, but it works like any other transmogrification in any other game, with a slight difference. It is based on styles you have, and not gear in your possession. I like the fact they didn't lock weapons out, allowing you to only change a dagger to a dagger. The way it is, I can finally go dual swords, or sword/axe. It always seemed out of place to me to wear a costume like the nord hero, or the Scarlet judge and swing some daggers around.

The only problem I have with it is having to pay for dyeing things. You work for achievements so you can have dyes, then you have to pay to use them, or not use the new system.