If you're a normal PvPer then you'd understand what armor they're using based off of health and abilities used.

Example if I see a player with 30k Health they're most likely rocking 5 piece heavy.
If I see a player using shuffle well they're using medium armor (5 or more).
If I see a player using immovable well they're using Heavy armor (5 or more).
If I see someone using annulment well they're using Light armor (5 or more).

The only issue would not being able to outright see what monster set they're using but that too is also a stupid remark as you can already hide it + you can tell as soon as it procs.

MaxwellC wrote: »

If you're a normal PvPer then you'd understand what armor they're using based off of health and abilities used.

Example if I see a player with 30k Health they're most likely rocking 5 piece heavy.
If I see a player using shuffle well they're using medium armor (5 or more).
If I see a player using immovable well they're using Heavy armor (5 or more).
If I see someone using annulment well they're using Light armor (5 or more).

The only issue would not being able to outright see what monster set they're using but that too is also a stupid remark as you can already hide it + you can tell as soon as it procs.

Yeah you can tell by the buffs they use, skills and so on but it will just look plain stupid if everyone is wearing heavy armor lol. I for one use magicka builds and this is an advantage to me, I could simply use dual wield on the back bar and look like a stamina build lol. Then I would be treated as such, meaning that my opponent won't know I'm magicka until I use a damage ability and that might be too late for him. Really hard to notice the warden class if the player only uses buffs.

since you asked for my opinion, I'd say no, it's not "ridiculous". It's not *realistic*, if that's a criterion for you (criteria? - shrug). It does stretch a certain degree of credibility. But I wouldn't say it's ridiculous.

It's cosmetic - you give up something (mechanical consistency) to gain something else (personal stylistic versatility) - most people will tend to prioritize one over the other, usually for entirely personal, subjective reasons. For those that prioritize consistency or realism, it's going to be an annoyance. For those that don't, it's going to be a godsend of finally. 2 guesses which camp I'm in, but you'll only need one.

but the fact that it prioritizes one personal preference over another doesn't objectively make it ridiculous.

It is flawed (taking a simple hide helmet feature and changing it in a way to encourage people to buy more outfit slots) but beyond that it works fine and doesn't introduce any new issues- seeing as you can already use costumes in PVP.

Weapons aside.... the armour in Cyrodil could always be disguised by putting on a costume.... shout out to the goblin raids from way back running around Cyrodil.

With respect to weapons, I believe its only the style you can change, so you can change a Deadric style lightning staff to a Ebonshadow style Lightning staff, or a Glass one handed sword to a Akaviri one handed sword.

You can already hide your armor with costumes and that doesn't seem to be much of an issue for anyone. Other people already addressed this but yea weapons can only swap appearance with weapons of the same class 1h to 1h, 2h to 2h, bow to bow, and staff to staff.

I don't find it ridiculous, the armor part. I do find it illogical for us to hold a big-ass mace and magically make it look like a dagger. That part I don't agree with.

btoop wrote: »

It is flawed (taking a simple hide helmet feature and changing it in a way to encourage people to buy more outfit slots) but beyond that it works fine and doesn't introduce any new issues- seeing as you can already use costumes in PVP.

Wait does this mean if we want to hide the helmet on a regular costume, we have to completely give up the new Outfit slot just to create one with hidden helmet? I thought hiding helmet would be possible at any time but would no longer be done through the use of the setting, instead needing a station to change that.

You know people can wear a frigging costume or polymorph now and you can't tell what they're wearing right?

Leave to the pvpers to complain about something that has absolutely no negative effect on the game what so ever

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

From a PVP point of view.

I'm only asking this because of the new guide the posted. So you can make your swords look like axes and your light armor look like heavy. This is going to be cool for PvE and just for showing off how great you look but in PvP this is very bad if you ask me, everyone will be wearing heavy armor (or so they look) except for tanks probably who are going to be naked (or so they look). You won't even know what you're fighting anymore until they pop some skill, does that guy have axes? Swords? Daggers? Two staffs? 3 bows? Questions.

Also what can the staff be replaced with? Or the bow?

You could wear a rag and look like a top level player in dungeons, that's cool.

I know that there are costumes but it's one thing to wear a costume and another to wear two axes when they are daggers, ridiculous.

To clarify a bit, you can only change weapons to the same weapon class, (1 handed weapons can be changed into any other 1 handed weapon, staffs to staffs, shields to shields, 2h weapons to 2 handed weapons, bows to bows, etc.) The 1 handed ability to change from axe to dagger for example is negligible as the only change between any of the 3 1 handed weapon types exists if they are dual wielding or 2h and is literally just 1 passive (twin blade & blunt / heavy weapon mastery) so virtually no level of gameplay is affected by not seeing which type they have.

And, as others have said, costumes have been around for ages so looking at appearance to tell how to approach a heavy/med/light armor user is just not a thing. As for the people worried about realism, it's a fantasy rpg where you can conjure meteors from thin air, but no, you won't see people shooting spells out of bows.

In the first ESO Live they were very clear about the weapons. That was what, two weeks ago? Do try to keep up.

Is the outfit system ridiculous? Yep, but not for the ignorant reasons the OP is saying. It's ridiculous that we're going this nuts for cosmetics, but it's got people excited about the game (and we who selling motifs and dye stations like crazy are not complaining)

kargen27 wrote: »

One of the top tier healing builds in PvP uses sword and shield on the back bar. Heavy Seducers on magicka users for a while was a thing in PvP.

Yeah, it's now heavy Kag's now instead of Seducer's. We pvp healers wear 5 heavy for the resistances, and yeah, it hurts in the mag regen, but you cope with that by the liberal use of heavy attacks. And the s+b back bar (in my case, front bar, because that's where most of my group buffs are) is also for added resistance. I need to run a powered resto staff on my healing bar for big heals but can bar swap to my s+b with defending sword and impen shield and voila, my healer's tanky af and can survive most bomb-balls.

Since one of my pvp healers is Argonian, most players who don't have me on their KOS list already won't know if he's a healer or tank until he starts popping group buffs rather than charging in. Wouldn't matter how his armor looked--it's the skills that give him away. (And all my pvp toons use costumes anyhow.)

BTW, my mag nb bomber is a bosmer and uses DW on her front bar, Inferno staff on back bar. Pretty much the standard for bombblades, except for the race. It's hilarious to think there's people out there who'd go, "Oh, lol, a wittle cute DW bosmer--she isn't a bomber." That's every bomber's dream--to have your enemy not see the bomb rush coming.

I've seen a full raid all riding wolves and wearing bath towels so I don't think the new clothing system is going to change anything as far as game play goes.

IKR? It's like every time in Cyro I'm fighting vampire stam sorc orcs in nordic bather towels or fat male khajiit NBs in wedding dresses, so like at this point who cares?

Yes, you can now make your twin maces look like a sword and dagger, because it looked derpy before, but now you can make your character look less derpy.

You can't hide your character's weapon skill line, but you can hide that you're getting a 5% damage buff and instead make everyone think you're going to apply a tiny bleed instead... yeah, no, for PvP that's not something you can plan around.

Can I make my weapon look like the Broom?