Would love to see a hide shoulder option the the Outfit system

I would like to see brighter reds and brighter pinks out of our dyes Plz

1. Was the system easy to understand? yes
2. Did you have any trouble finding an Outfit Station or accessing it? no
3. Did you find the Outfit System to be fun? yes, but one thing worries me (5)
4. Did you use gold or Outfit Tokens to change your Outfits? gold
5. Do you have any other general feedback? yes:

Many jackets have 'tails' which intersects badly with such pants as Trinimac, Worm Cult and so on. Many great gear combinations are broken because of this 'posteror issue'.

static_recharge wrote: »

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned already but I have a few pet-peeves about the interface and how this system works in general:

• When switching between styles that don't contain all 3 tiers of colors to styles that do and vice versa it's rather annoying to have to redye items to keep with the aesthetics of the outfit. It would be nice if, even though a certain style doesn't have all 3 tiers, that it inherited the last dyed color, rather than the color from my armor / costume. Especially if I use the paint bucket to dye all slots of a tier. Let me know if you need more clarification on this one.
• When hitting the hotkey to clear changes, all changes should be reverted, or the wording needs to change. Right now it's worded like the previous dye stations were, where if you hit the hotkey, all dyes were reverted to the last saved state. Right now it's worded like that but only the last item modified is reverted. It's rather confusing.

Otherwise this system is the bomb, it just needs tweaking.

Agree on the first point, on the second one it seems to me it's working fine, it reverts all the unsaved changes, what you saved remains as it should be.

I also agree they did a great work on the interface, I test gamepad mode because that's what I more often use for the dye station.
Great job ZOS on this.
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My other feedback is about gold cost, as others already said, the fee should go and i hope it will.

There are already heavy money sinks in this game, housing constantly makes me poor and I'm not alone on this, not to mention motives in general needed right now.

Please reconsider, it's not funny and not everyone has the time to play monopoly in this game.

Dye should be free for all and definitely for ESO+, damn, give us some love on this.
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Last feedback, I agree with other users we could use a "hide shoulders" option, many of us hate shoulders ZOS, you should know that by now, it's plenty of posts in costumes threads about it. I would appreciate as others a hide shoulder option.

That's all for now.

• Outfit Dyeing: I do not like that I have to pay to dye my created outfits, on top of the charge to create the outfit in the first place. People can dye armor freely, and ESO+ can also dye costumes freely. Yet, either way, looks like gold has to be paid for dyeing these outfits. A previous poster brought up the fact that, depending on the lighting at the time you visit the station (or the location), dyes can look very different. Dyeing should remain free, just like armor (or linked to ESO+ like costume dyeing).

And about the gold cost, so much this.
The light in some places and times can be very misleading and mess up badly the dye, another very good reason to get rid of the fee.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Was the system easy to understand?

Reasonably easy, but it's far from ideal from an interface standpoint. It's unwieldy due to the overabundance of options on the right and the inability to efficiently dial down to the desired options. It definitely would benefit from the implementation of some level of tree view in the right pane. More suggestions below in general feedback.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Did you have any trouble finding an Outfit Station or accessing it?

No and no.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Did you find the Outfit System to be fun?

I found it to be useful. I wouldn't characterize it as fun. The interface lacks functionality that would make it fun, such as the ability to easily equip/preview whole motif outfits quickly (window shopping).

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Did you use gold or Outfit Tokens to change your Outfits?

I used gold despite the excessive gold costs. The Weapon Style/Dye costs are especially egregious.

All dyes for weapons and armor should be cost free. Here's why...

Since the lighting at dye stations is atrocious (sorry, but it's true), I must always iterate numerous times when I dye my armor in Live. Knowing this, there is no way I'm going to create any outfit when this goes Live without first heading to the PTS. I'll iterate my outfit on the PTS until the colors actually look correct under better and various lighting conditions. Then I'll recreate that outfit on Live. If dyes were cost-free, this wouldn't be an issue.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Do you have any other general feedback?

The gold cost, dye costs in particular, actually discourages me from purchasing additional Outfit Slots. An additional outfit is going to cost me more gold and, to avoid wasting gold after gold after gold due to the poor lighting, I'm going to have go through the whole PTS iteration again. All that cost and hassle on top of whatever outrageous price you end up charging for the slot? Totally not worth it. I'll just pass on any additional slots.

Improvements and bugs:

(improvement) Details are important. Add pan and zoom at the dye station so we can look at the details. (This should've been implemented day 1.) At the very least add the same zoom that's available at the character selection screen.

(improvement) Add a second drop down box to select Racial Motif to further restrict options on the right hand side. Place this new dropdown next to the armor weight (Light/Medium/Heavy) dropdown. Function example: If I intend on outfitting my character using the High Elf motif, I select "High Elf" in this new dropdown. I can then select armor weight in the existing dropdown. When I select the Head slot, only the High Elf Hat 1, High Elf Hat 2, and High Elf Hat 3 are displayed on the right. This dropdown would also apply to Weapon Styles.

(further improvement) Note that the above improvement could be used to change the right pane to a simplistic tree/hierarchical view. Selecting High Elf in the added dropdown would display all slots in the right pane (Head, Chest, etc., including weapons) with just the High Elf items presented (and Clear Slot/Hide Helmet as appropriate). Further reduction of options displayed can then be made by selecting armor weight. So to summarize functionality, add a new Motif dropdown. If All Motifs is selected, then use the current right pane arrangement of all motifs displayed by selected slot. If a specific motif is selected, change the right pane to display only items from the selected motif, but display all slots.

(improvement) Choosing to wear a character's native racial motif (e.g. an Altmer wearing High Elf gear) should have ZERO COST. Implement a racial specific function exactly like you're handling the Convert to Imperial Style. (This functionality, essentially Convert to <my racial motif>, should've been included in the game since release and now's the time to correct this oversight.)

(bug) The armor weight dropdown gets reset to All Types when switching to Weapon Styles and then back to Armor Styles. This dropdown should retain its setting just like it does when switching between Armor Styles and Dyes.

(improvement) The armor weight dropdown should also include the option to show Clothing even if the currently selected slot doesn't have any clothing. For example, assume the interface currently has Head selected with no clothing available. If the player chooses Clothing in the dropdown, then the Head slot should still display Clear Slot and Hide Helmet. Chest would include Clear Slot and any clothing, e.g. Prisoner's Shirt 1 and Prisoner's Shirt 2.

(bug) When at Weapon Styles in the interface, swapping weapons (1 >> 2 or 2 >> 1) causes the interface to reset back to Dyes. The interface should stay on Weapon Styles.

(improvement) Application Cost is shown in tooltips except for the dye cost. If you keep dye costs (I strongly recommend tossing them) then at least display the Application Cost for dyes in the tooltip like you do for other situations.

(bug) Mentioned by many others, but for completeness sake, Hide Helmet is broken. Not only does it not work, but selecting it at the Dye Station also prevents Apply Changes to remain disabled.

(improvement) Add ability to hide each armor slot (like Hide Helmet) except for Chest and Legs. (Forgot about this until just now when I looked at LOTROs outfit system again.) If I have the perfect outfit except for shoulders, I want to be able to hide them.

I really don't like how extra outfit slots are character-specific. Paying for each extra outfit for each new character I want to have more than a single look sounds like something that's gonna be awfully expensive in a subtle and slopey little-by-little kind of way. I mean, it's fair enough that some things cost crowns, but I don't like to pay real money for outfit slots that are essentially wasted as soon as I grow a bit tired of that character and stop playing it so much. If they were account wide then I'd feel much better about the deal, even if it were much more expensive per slot. Please consider adding account-wide extra outfit slots to the crown store along with the existing option if you won't change it alltogether.

At the least, the crown store description of the extra outfit slot should make it clear that it is character-specific. It currently does not indicate that at all, and I would have felt tricked and fooled if I had bought it on the live server, since I thought it would be account-wide like the first outfit slot.

How about an option to cycle through (in order) every motif you know for that slot/item? So you can just sit back and look at every style you know for that slot (say shoulders) and figure out wich one you like best. It was a bit tedious to press one and one and then turning your character in the right position because in the case of weapons, your character reset to the front.

Was the system easy to understand?
Yes, although I accidentally bought an outfit change token when I was trying to buy an outfit slot upgrade. Not a biggie on the PTS, but that would have been annoying on the live server. Maybe give them more clear names and lump them together in the same category. I wasn't aware there even was an outfit change token and just bought the first outfit-related thing I saw.

Did you have any trouble finding an Outfit Station or accessing it?
Nope.

Did you find the Outfit System to be fun?
Yes, but if you have a ton of motifs learned it's a bit overwhelming.

Did you use gold or Outfit Tokens to change your Outfits?
Both, mostly tokens because they're so cheap on the PTS. I'll probably only use gold on the live server.

Do you have any other general feedback?
In addition to randomizing the whole outfit, please make it so that we can randomize head/chest/shoulders etc, and if we select light/medium/heavy, make it so that we randomize only those. Basically, give us the option to only randomize the items we see on the screen. Or, alternatively, someone else suggested being able to lock certain items so we can randomize everything else.

I'm also missing a way to favourite items so that they're easier to find.

I would like an "undo" button as well, so we can go back to the previously selected item even if we haven't saved it. It's very easy to lose track on what you've already previewed.

And as everyone else has said, please get rid of the gold cost for dyes. IMO the first outfit should be set at a flat rate for everyone (idk, 5000 gold or so?) and free to change as much as you'd like. Changes to additional outfits can cost gold for all I care, but things have a tendency to look very different once you move around in the game. Would be great if we had a chance to at least test things before we spend money on them. Dyes should be free at least for ESO+, though - for every outfit.

Oh. Thanks, Incognitius

ghastley wrote: »

When the helmet thing has sorted itself out, I don't see any practical reason for not duplicating the mechanism for each of the slots (except disguise/costume, for obvious reasons).

I'd be ok with hide gloves, belt, or shoulders (as often they just don't work with your look or they have terrible clipping)... But I definitely don't want to see all the pervs ugly characters running around with "hide everything" on!

I am not currently on the PTS (I play on PS4 NA), but I've been watching the notes on this patch... eagerly anticipating several aspects, but none more than the outfits! However, I have concerns. In fact, I have enough concerns that I went through the effort to create a forum account just so I can post this message. I am primarily a crafter. I don't care much for fighting and avoid it most of the time (I realize this is unusual for a MMORPG, but I make it work.. and have in every MMORPG I've been in).

I have opened up every available character slot and they are all full of crafting alts. I almost never have any gold to speak of, but I horde trade ingredients in my Craft Bag (the primary reason I keep myself in ESO+).

So, I'm very concerned about the gold cost associated with ANY of the outfit creation, but especially with dyes (as stated in this thread MANY times). I manage to scrape together enough to buy new motifs pretty regularly (and have a fairly decent collection at this point) but coming up with the gold to make outfits for my characters sounds impossible. I would suggest at a minimum having an alternate cost for outfits that was material based. I don't mind it if it's fully the same as creating the items "for real" as long as I don't also need to come up with gold to pay for it. I want the ability to wear armor that helps me on the rare occasions I venture away from the craft tables, but often the assorted pieces I find look horrible together, and an outfit is extremely desirable. Please consider allowing us crafters to use materials INSTEAD of gold (assuming you feel the need to leave the gold cost in at all).

My thoughts on a few other points:

My son hates crafting and I do all of his crafting for him. Some way to trade outfits (probably only if undyed, since as of now dyes are NOT tradeable) would be wonderful. I've heard people talking about runeboxes, and that works for me, but so would any other way to trade outfits. Maybe make a gold/crown cost for making outfits tradeable? That seems somewhat reasonable to me as I could then get my son to cover those costs in some shape or form. It also would be neat to be able to supply a team with matching outfits, something that is impossible in the current system without everyone knowing all applicable motifs.

We NEED a way to hide at minimum shoulders and hats. I'd love to be able to hide any item, and (knowing this is even more work) a way to hide the "hip pads" that float next to many armor styles, but shoulders and hats need to be hideable. I realize the hats are planned even if they're not working at the moment, but that needs to include shoulders too. And we need a way to toggle hats while out and about in the world. And being able to "hide" guild tabards so that we can see the guild name but not the tabard would be awesome as well... at the moment, I don't wear my guild tabard because of the appearance.

I'll add my opinion that the additional outfit slots should be (at least optionally, for additional cost if needed) account wide. Making them crown only, untradeable, and attached to a character means either I don't buy them or if I delete a character I lose real money. That seems a lose/lose to me.

This is a huge and obnoxious gold sink. Why would I, as a player, pay gold to change my outfit to a motif I've already learned? When I can simply craft the motif? Is this a way to force people using dropped dungeon gear to sink their gold in so they can actually look like they want?

Why are outfit slots character specific?

Why does it cost more gold for 'rare' motifs? You know the motif style. There's no reason why you should be paying more gold after spending whatever gold/time required to get the rare motif in the base case?

Why does it cost to dye outfits? You can dye armor for free. Especially when so many of your public dye stations have the WORST lighting. You try to dye an outfit in that lighting and it'll look completely different in other lighting. (Especially given how y'all don't understand how colors work on armors and such.) But hey, you can always spend more gold to try again.

Why is weapon dying tied to this? You gave us free armor dying and free shield dying but not weapon dying? And then you're going to charge us to make our stupid, bright red weapons look like actual weapons? What's with this inconsistency?

In the current form, from everything I've observed, there's no practical reason to actually use your new outfit system. Which is really disheartening, as I was really excited for this system. But you've managed to take EVERY potential good part of the system and screw it up. Assign extra gold sinks to it, as if the ones from housing weren't enough, and make it such an annoyance that the only viable alternative is to spend more rl money on your crown store tokens, which I am predicting now will be as stupidly expensive as every other half-backed thing you put there.

There's my feedback.

I have no qualms with the way the system was designed, except for it being character specific.

My major issues stem from another gold sink in the game trying to push people toward using the crown store. That's exactly what this game has become. Pushing people toward the crown store. And that's a problem. How's SWTOR doing these days, Ms. Powers?

You do if you want anything cosmetic. What is housing? A literal gold/time sink designed to push people toward the crown store. Crown only housing, million gold mansions, an entirely new set of materials added to the game specific to decorations, making patterns for decorations RNG based and giving them various rarities... because if you don't want to work through that pain and grind, you can buy it all for the low, low price of a bajiliondy crowns.

This will be no different. Disguising it as an attempt to 'give people something to do' is just stupid. This is a massive online game with an insane number of things you can do. Don't think we need another thing to spend hours grinding for gold on, especially one that has literally zero impact on gameplay performance.