BG for Character <600 not suitable

TarrNokk · August 2017

I thought, I had learnt enough to stand BGs as I did before hotr, but No. Every single bg I play, I am cannonfodder, dead in a few seconds. Even with highly defensiv gear I have no chance. It's this the new pvp reserved for highest lvl players?

casparian · August 2017

CP aren't enabled in Battlegrounds. Assuming you're wearing CP160 gear (which you should be before attempting any PVP outside of Kyne), different amounts of CP make no difference in BGs.

TarrNokk · August 2017

I know that cp do not count in bg and my gear is necro impen with pet and spinner impen both with pirate monster set, so really defensiv.

Beardimus · August 2017

I think what he means is your reference to < 600CP. As CP don't count. So 500 or 600 make no difference

Setup sounds ok, are you warding? Do you have enough stam to cc break? What's killing you etc might help people.

Premade teams SMASH pugs in BG. It's a big problem. You get steamrolled. But if you play enough you find some .balanced rounds

idk · August 2017

BGs have nothing to do with CP. it's not in play.

leepalmer95 · August 2017

Cp doesn't mean everything.

A lot of people in battlegrounds are really good players.

You have to learn pvp skills and such, pvp is a lot different from pve players aren't scripted squishy mobs.

dpencil1 · August 2017

If you feel like cannon fodder stay close to and a little behind your team mates. Support them by atracking targets you see them attack. You only need 4 damaging skills as a mSorc: Haunting Curse, Crushing Shock, Endless Fury, and Crystal Fragments (cast in that order). Everything else is defense and utility.

Betsararie · August 2017

CP isn't even enabled in BGs

ezeepeezee · August 2017

TarrNokk wrote: »

I know that cp do not count in bg and my gear is necro impen with pet and spinner impen both with pirate monster set, so really defensiv.

That's not really a defensive setup, it's pure offensive with amplification via max magicka to your hardened ward. That is, it requires you to proactively defend. Pirate Skeleton also does not proc behind shields. If you're getting hit with your shields down, you're already toast.

With that gear, you're going to need to run immovable potions and keep your ward up at all times in combat. If you dodge roll, you're probably screwed. And you're still going to want to block big hits, especially things that CC, like uppercut. A lot of people run Shacklebreaker, Amber Plasm or both because the extra stamina can make or break a Sorc, depending on your playstyle. It's much more robust.

So yeah, you're running a turret Sorc. Your main defense is going to be a strong offense. Shield up before you engage, and keep it up between burst combos. And don't be afraid to bolt away when some CC spamming tank marches slowly toward you - Sorc is meant to kite and kill.

TarrNokk · August 2017

ezeepeezee wrote: »

TarrNokk wrote: »

I know that cp do not count in bg and my gear is necro impen with pet and spinner impen both with pirate monster set, so really defensiv.

That's not really a defensive setup, it's pure offensive with amplification via max magicka to your hardened ward. That is, it requires you to proactively defend. Pirate Skeleton also does not proc behind shields. If you're getting hit with your shields down, you're already toast.

With that gear, you're going to need to run immovable potions and keep your ward up at all times in combat. If you dodge roll, you're probably screwed. And you're still going to want to block big hits, especially things that CC, like uppercut. A lot of people run Shacklebreaker, Amber Plasm or both because the extra stamina can make or break a Sorc, depending on your playstyle. It's much more robust.

So yeah, you're running a turret Sorc. Your main defense is going to be a strong offense. Shield up before you engage, and keep it up between burst combos. And don't be afraid to bolt away when some CC spamming tank marches slowly toward you - Sorc is meant to kite and kill.

Thanks for your hints, sounds good for me. I will give Shacklebreaker a try, which trait would you suggest? I am running Atronach mundus atm.
One point I did not understand is: Pirate Skeleton also does not proc behind shields. It procs quiete often, I mean I am playing often as skeleton...

ezeepeezee · August 2017

TarrNokk wrote: »

ezeepeezee wrote: »

TarrNokk wrote: »

I know that cp do not count in bg and my gear is necro impen with pet and spinner impen both with pirate monster set, so really defensiv.

That's not really a defensive setup, it's pure offensive with amplification via max magicka to your hardened ward. That is, it requires you to proactively defend. Pirate Skeleton also does not proc behind shields. If you're getting hit with your shields down, you're already toast.

With that gear, you're going to need to run immovable potions and keep your ward up at all times in combat. If you dodge roll, you're probably screwed. And you're still going to want to block big hits, especially things that CC, like uppercut. A lot of people run Shacklebreaker, Amber Plasm or both because the extra stamina can make or break a Sorc, depending on your playstyle. It's much more robust.

So yeah, you're running a turret Sorc. Your main defense is going to be a strong offense. Shield up before you engage, and keep it up between burst combos. And don't be afraid to bolt away when some CC spamming tank marches slowly toward you - Sorc is meant to kite and kill.

Thanks for your hints, sounds good for me. I will give Shacklebreaker a try, which trait would you suggest? I am running Atronach mundus atm.
One point I did not understand is: Pirate Skeleton also does not proc behind shields. It procs quiete often, I mean I am playing often as skeleton...

I don't use it myself - in fact I don't even play Sorc, but I talk a lot with very good Sorcs. I thought it was changed not that long ago to not proc behind shields, but I could be wrong, maybe it was just the mitigation not being applied to shields. But I digress.

I would typically recommend running impenetrable on your armor; however, it depends on what else you're running. For specifics on gearing I would defer to an actual practiced Sorc player. I know that particularly experienced Sorcs can run Divines on their gear, because like I said, your best defense is good offense. Blow them up before they can hit you and you render the Impen trait worthless for yourself. Also, shields give 100% crit resistance, so keeping them up also renders Impen worthless. For your Mundus stone, I would switch that to the Apprentice. It is currently delivering a massive amount of spell damage, and with Shacklebreaker and Witchmother's Brew your regen will be sufficient, I believe.

I think it's also worthwhile to mention that no matter what your setup is, your gear will not carry you. The players that are best at survival and mitigation do it through the use of both active abilities, and line-of-sight. If someone is pressuring you, try moving behind an object, and when they come to get you, frag 'em in the face.

TarrNokk · August 2017

ezeepeezee wrote: »

TarrNokk wrote: »

ezeepeezee wrote: »

TarrNokk wrote: »

I know that cp do not count in bg and my gear is necro impen with pet and spinner impen both with pirate monster set, so really defensiv.

That's not really a defensive setup, it's pure offensive with amplification via max magicka to your hardened ward. That is, it requires you to proactively defend. Pirate Skeleton also does not proc behind shields. If you're getting hit with your shields down, you're already toast.

With that gear, you're going to need to run immovable potions and keep your ward up at all times in combat. If you dodge roll, you're probably screwed. And you're still going to want to block big hits, especially things that CC, like uppercut. A lot of people run Shacklebreaker, Amber Plasm or both because the extra stamina can make or break a Sorc, depending on your playstyle. It's much more robust.

So yeah, you're running a turret Sorc. Your main defense is going to be a strong offense. Shield up before you engage, and keep it up between burst combos. And don't be afraid to bolt away when some CC spamming tank marches slowly toward you - Sorc is meant to kite and kill.

Thanks for your hints, sounds good for me. I will give Shacklebreaker a try, which trait would you suggest? I am running Atronach mundus atm.
One point I did not understand is: Pirate Skeleton also does not proc behind shields. It procs quiete often, I mean I am playing often as skeleton...

I don't use it myself - in fact I don't even play Sorc, but I talk a lot with very good Sorcs. I thought it was changed not that long ago to not proc behind shields, but I could be wrong, maybe it was just the mitigation not being applied to shields. But I digress.

I would typically recommend running impenetrable on your armor; however, it depends on what else you're running. For specifics on gearing I would defer to an actual practiced Sorc player. I know that particularly experienced Sorcs can run Divines on their gear, because like I said, your best defense is good offense. Blow them up before they can hit you and you render the Impen trait worthless for yourself. Also, shields give 100% crit resistance, so keeping them up also renders Impen worthless. For your Mundus stone, I would switch that to the Apprentice. It is currently delivering a massive amount of spell damage, and with Shacklebreaker and Witchmother's Brew your regen will be sufficient, I believe.

I think it's also worthwhile to mention that no matter what your setup is, your gear will not carry you. The players that are best at survival and mitigation do it through the use of both active abilities, and line-of-sight. If someone is pressuring you, try moving behind an object, and when they come to get you, frag 'em in the face.

Thanks again, I appreciate your words, they sound plausible. One of the major problems in the small bg is the lack of stamina after blocks and breakfrees, so I will test the added stamina recovery on shackle.

Vanzen · August 2017

Wizard's riposte/Amberplasm or Shacklebreaker/Domihaus.

Chakei · August 2017

I'm really not sure pets are worth it in BGs. I've never liked them in PVP period. They're the easiest target in the world and you have to have them on both bars. I'm my experience they're a crutch. I strongly recommend Shacklebreaker. That extra stam goes a very long way.

Thogard · August 2017

In currently #1 on the deathmatch ladder for PC NA... and playing my mag sorc this week. I'm not the best player but I've spent enough time in BGs to be familiar with the mechanics.

As a sorc, especially if you're pugging, you'll need backbar resto. It is mandatory for the resto ult. No need to run pirate skelly since you'll get major protection from Resto.

Here are some tips:
1. Get better at casting your shields in between your attacks. Even if you think you don't need it, cast a shield.
2. If you see a NB come into clip and then stealth while pointing straight at you, pop an immovable potion and then goto whichever bar has your cfrags. Get ready to blow him up!
3. Miat's addon is extremely useful to avoid those painful snipes
4. Always be aware of your surroundings. Get used to panning the camera around even when you're fighting so that you don't get surrounded and hit from behind.
5. Don't get greedy. Don't let your shields drop because you think you can finish off your opponent. Shields up - always
6. Practice makes perfect. If you're dying easily as a sorc, it's because you aren't keeping your shields up or you are overextended

I run necropotence + amberplasm on my sorc, with a 1 piece grothdar for the max mag. The Stam regen from amber is amazing.

I do not run the lightning teleport thingy, mines, the root, the speedy lightning armor thingy, or any of the other sorc "get out of jail free" cards. My pet is the twilight Tormenter, not the matriarch. I do not use shuffle or the heavy armor buff either. I do not have impen on any of my armor pieces. I picked the morph of ward that increases magicka recovery and lasts 10 seconds (I love the extra duration so much!!) but it's a smaller shield than hardened ward. Healing ward is the other shield I use - that's it, just those two.

And I have great survivability because of where I am positioned relative to the fighting and my team, and because of resto ult and immov pots. It's really that simple.

Edit: also, I'm "only" cp 545. And I've hit leaderboard every week since launch of BGs and had 7 finishes in first place... so no, BGs are not reserved for CP 600+

But they are reserved for good PvPers. Try warming up in Sotha Sil if you feel you aren't up to par for the BGs. Don't Zerg - try to small group or solo.

Betsararie · August 2017

Chakei wrote: »

I'm really not sure pets are worth it in BGs. I've never liked them in PVP period. They're the easiest target in the world and you have to have them on both bars. I'm my experience they're a crutch. I strongly recommend Shacklebreaker. That extra stam goes a very long way.

they're sure as *** are

I don't run one but they are