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Really debating whether I going to keep supporting ESO with my sub
Talon_Draconis
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I am thing hard weather if I am going to keep subbing ESO plus
Morrowind is DLC should be free with the sub or at least available with crowns!
While I think ESO is the best MMO out there right now I really can't support there marketing strategy
As far as the ESO plus the only thing that has any real value is the bag and access to dlc now they are calling DLC expantions and using that as a excuse for a cash grab
With the $50 dollars they want for morrowind I could get whole other game
Crowns are useless except to buy dlc there is nothing worth buying in the store.
I assume Morrowind will eventually become available once zmax squeezes as much cash as it can from players
I find this detestable and makes me want to not renew my sub in protest!
I hope that zmax corrects this asp and puts Morrowind as regular dlc which it is ! and does not repeat this blatant cash grab again!
Morrowind is DLC should be free with the sub or at least available with crowns!
While I think ESO is the best MMO out there right now I really can't support there marketing strategy
As far as the ESO plus the only thing that has any real value is the bag and access to dlc now they are calling DLC expantions and using that as a excuse for a cash grab
With the $50 dollars they want for morrowind I could get whole other game
Crowns are useless except to buy dlc there is nothing worth buying in the store.
I assume Morrowind will eventually become available once zmax squeezes as much cash as it can from players
I find this detestable and makes me want to not renew my sub in protest!
I hope that zmax corrects this asp and puts Morrowind as regular dlc which it is ! and does not repeat this blatant cash grab again!
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Arundo✭✭✭✭✭Good luck out there, I personally had expected more from Morrowind myself but still ESO is a very complete MMO, and since launch so much improved.5 -
Talon_Draconis✭✭✭
Weather I should continue to support ESO with my sub or protest against the cash grabasuitandtyb14_ESO wrote: »What debate?
I think ESO is the best MMO out there right now but there marketing of Morrowind really get me pissed off!
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drakhan2002_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Talon_Draconis wrote: »... right now but there marketing of Morrowind really get me pissed off!
This just in from ZOS Marketing department, "your tears taste...salty."3 -
asuitandtyb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Talon_Draconis wrote: »
Weather I should continue to support ESO with my sub or protest against the cash grabasuitandtyb14_ESO wrote: »What debate?
I think ESO is the best MMO out there right now but there marketing of Morrowind really get me pissed off!
I figured, but he said "one of you wins", so I wasn't sure if he was insinuating that it was between me and you, or if you are schizophrenic.Edited by asuitandtyb14_ESO on 6 June 2017 12:490 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Is a thread with our thoughts on the matter needed to help you make the choice?
So, then do not sub. You find this detestable. Why would you want to sub. Why would you want to buy the expansion if you find all this detestable.
All we really get with a sub is a crafting bag and double our bank space. Nothing we have not lived without most of the time since the game launched.0 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sadly whether you support it or not it's very unlikely to change.
Whoever is running the marketing side of ZOS is either being pushed by Zenimax Media to make better profits, or just has that mentality themselves.
It's been an odd change and back and forth with ZOS, but I hope people keep the pressure on for them to change to a more consumer friendly model.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Balsagna✭✭✭✭If you don't want to sub anymore then don't sub ya know? I never really understood these ultimatum type posts. They aren't going to read it and be like, "oh snap, we better hurry now Talon_Draconis is ready to unsubscribe".
If you don't feel you are getting your money's worth then you should unsub. You can tell me if you want but it doesn't move the needle one way or the other.12 -
Kenthros✭✭i dont need the craft bag, so i dont sub, i do however buy the dlcs and got the expansion to keep supporting the game.But I, being poor, have only my dreams;
I have spread my dreams under your feet;
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Talon_Draconis✭✭✭asuitandtyb14_ESO wrote: »Talon_Draconis wrote: »
Weather I should continue to support ESO with my sub or protest against the cash grabasuitandtyb14_ESO wrote: »What debate?
I think ESO is the best MMO out there right now but there marketing of Morrowind really get me pissed off!
I figured, but he said "one of you wins", so I wasn't sure if he was insinuating that it was between me and you, or if you are schizophrenic.
It is I want to support the game but am verry pissed about the cash grab and and they way they are trying to force us to pay $50 bucks
I would not even mind too much if they made morrowind sub only since I paid the sub for over a year or so....an willing to support the game in return for dlc,
But the Cash GRAB is making me rethink about supporting the game which I love it's sad
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✭✭✭✭✭Stop subbing if that's what you want. I did a few months ago for similar (and other) reasons. Honestly it's a tough adjustment at first, losing the craft bag and housing item limit, and now hearing guildies brag about their double bank limit, but I adjusted quickly.
If you liked the game before those things existed, you'll like it fine without them.
Zeni doesn't care if you sub or not, and neither do these forums.Edited by Reverb on 6 June 2017 13:08Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Your sub should never be for support. That's not why anyone should sub. The reason you sub is only if the benefits are desired.
If you want to support them look into any form of a donation or pledge/investor opportunities-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Flameheart✭✭✭✭✭I am thinking about cancelling ESO Gold myself, but not because of the minor (trivial?) issue whether Vvardenfell is an DLC or an expansion or else, but much more about the fact, that ZoS nerf *** (which is still happening btw) took a lot of fun out the game for me. I am pretty sure, that I am not the only one who is thinking that.
Edited by Flameheart on 6 June 2017 14:40Sometimes the prey turns and nips us... it's a small thing.
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Talon_Draconis✭✭✭The debate is continue to support the game I have invested time and soul or take being screwed over buy marketing and suits who want to squeeze as much cash from me as possable
It used to be games were a co-op between players and developers who were also players and loved and cared about their Games.
I remember years ago a company moto was By players for players
Now it's we suckered you into buying our product now you have to pay!1 -
Stopnaggin✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's very simple, do or dont. If you don't like the way they handle themselves marketing wise., then end your sub. Personally there marketing strategy is not what will make me end my sub. I've played eso exclusively since launch, so the money I use on my sub and extra crowns is still a value compared to what I would spend otherwise. While I agree Morrowind should have been a dlc, the money to get it was still no more then I would spend otherwise.
You are the only person who can decide if there is value in subbing, it's too subjective to ask anyone else. Now if you are looking for pros aND cons, that's a different story and you should have asked that question instead.
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Remember that you have recieved everything you have paid for with your sub. Every month you got crowns and access to dlc. The problem is when people start thinking that your sub covers everything going forward. Things change and I never bank on something staying the same forever. You need to ask yourself, did I get what I paid for? And will I continue to get a value from that money going forward?Edited by Stopnaggin on 6 June 2017 13:421 -
Vicarra✭✭✭✭✭I cancelled my sub after the announcement about Morrowind and the fact that it wouldn't be included, and I felt rather annoyed that I'd been paying 6 months in advance, so I still had four-five months left on the sub. I am not going to pay a voluntary sub to get the convenience of renting, rather than buying, DLC if DLC is now going to be repackaged as "chapters" so that it's not included with ESO+, and actual DLCs come in the form of (for example) dungeon packs that I will never, ever play.
Frankly, even the craft bag doesn't motivate me to sub. It's useful, sure, but I survived the game before it came out, and I will do so again. I've already had an email from ZOS offering me a month free if I sub for three months. I found that especially insulting as I sent them a message when I cancelled my sub, explaining in great detail why I don't appreciate their current marketing strategy and that whilst they're going down this path I will not be tempted to sub again. If they're trying to get people to block-buy subs, it makes me suspicious about what scheme they're planning to unveil in the near future to fleece us more.
Before someone starts bleating about "ruhh ruhh entitled snowflakes, no one gets free stuff blah blah", I have been subbed since launch and bought a buttload of stuff from the crownstore in addition to that. Having paid a considerable amount of money to them, I am a paying customer, so yes, I am entitled to certain things. For instance, I'm entitled to receive a product, as advertised, that I paid for in advance in good faith. I'm entitled to complain when I don't receive what I was led to believe I would get in return for the money I paid. I'm entitled to complain when their product does not match the expectations they are selling via their advertising. I'm entitled to stop giving them money when I don't think their product offers value for money anymore. I am entitled to offer feedback that will allow them to know what they can do to present a product that would make me change my mind.
That's not being a whiny millenial, entitled snowflake, or whatever other insult gets thrown at those who want to exercise their consumer rights. In any other sphere of business, openly fleecing customers in this manner would get them reported to an ombudsman, and people would be getting compensation.PAWS - Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff!
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I'm done with my sub. I would have kept it up for the life of the game if it had given me access to all dlc like it had been presented to me back when the option to drop the sub was first implemented.
Deciding to call dlc something other then dlc to get around that might be great for forum warriors to use as a pretense to harangue anybody who doesn't tow the line, but I'm not going to reward that kind of behavior with my cash.
To me, the only real current value for the sub is the craft bag (I don't care about crowns at all, I think I have around 20k atm, I've only ever unlocked character slots, I don't care about anything else in the store), and I think that it's positively whorish for that to be tied to a sub. I managed without it before, and I can manage without it again. The rain of nerfs from the past few patches have decimated most of my guilds, I now have more room for stuff then I can ever use anyways.
I'm not even sure what they could add to make me re-sub, since I might not believe anything that they promise.9 -
Talon_Draconis✭✭✭central_scrutinizer wrote: »I'm done with my sub. I would have kept it up for the life of the game if it had given me access to all dlc like it had been presented to me back when the option to drop the sub was first implemented.
Deciding to call dlc something other then dlc to get around that might be great for forum warriors to use as a pretense to harangue anybody who doesn't tow the line, but I'm not going to reward that kind of behavior with my cash.
To me, the only real current value for the sub is the craft bag (I don't care about crowns at all, I think I have around 20k atm, I've only ever unlocked character slots, I don't care about anything else in the store), and I think that it's positively whorish for that to be tied to a sub. I managed without it before, and I can manage without it again. The rain of nerfs from the past few patches have decimated most of my guilds, I now have more room for stuff then I can ever use anyways.
I'm not even sure what they could add to make me re-sub, since I might not believe anything that they promise.
That is the way I feel.
I want to support the game but the marketing of Morrowind as a expansion while it has less content then Orcinium
Really pisses me off.
I sub to support the development of dlc the other benefits are nice but I can easily live with out them.
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STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭if you are truly uncertain whether to continue to sub or not, i advise dropping the sub.
see if you are happier.
if not, renew the sub and you have lost nothing. All benefits restore.
if you are happier, then continue to remain unsub.
Why ponder and debate and worry and fret and strut upon the forum stage when one can just test?
Unless this is not really a debate as much as just a thinly disguised public gripe or whine.
Edited by STEVIL on 6 June 2017 14:10Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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Sotihe✭✭✭central_scrutinizer wrote: »I'm done with my sub. I would have kept it up for the life of the game if it had given me access to all dlc like it had been presented to me back when the option to drop the sub was first implemented.
Deciding to call dlc something other then dlc to get around that might be great for forum warriors to use as a pretense to harangue anybody who doesn't tow the line, but I'm not going to reward that kind of behavior with my cash.
To me, the only real current value for the sub is the craft bag (I don't care about crowns at all, I think I have around 20k atm, I've only ever unlocked character slots, I don't care about anything else in the store), and I think that it's positively whorish for that to be tied to a sub. I managed without it before, and I can manage without it again. The rain of nerfs from the past few patches have decimated most of my guilds, I now have more room for stuff then I can ever use anyways.
I'm not even sure what they could add to make me re-sub, since I might not believe anything that they promise.
I have to agree with you even tho im keeping my sub. they can call it chapter or whatever they want but to me it will always be dlc.1 -
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✭central_scrutinizer wrote: »I'm done with my sub. I would have kept it up for the life of the game if it had given me access to all dlc like it had been presented to me back when the option to drop the sub was first implemented.
Deciding to call dlc something other then dlc to get around that might be great for forum warriors to use as a pretense to harangue anybody who doesn't tow the line, but I'm not going to reward that kind of behavior with my cash.
To me, the only real current value for the sub is the craft bag (I don't care about crowns at all, I think I have around 20k atm, I've only ever unlocked character slots, I don't care about anything else in the store), and I think that it's positively whorish for that to be tied to a sub. I managed without it before, and I can manage without it again. The rain of nerfs from the past few patches have decimated most of my guilds, I now have more room for stuff then I can ever use anyways.
I'm not even sure what they could add to make me re-sub, since I might not believe anything that they promise.
I have to agree with you even tho im keeping my sub. they can call it chapter or whatever they want but to me it will always be dlc.
the reason is the warden, and they way they bound the new class to the "chapter".
If you unsub you would lose access to warden.
And while i agree that it shouldnt be included in eso+, Morrowind should be available for crowns, so longtime eso+ players can still get it for freeEdited by laksikus on 6 June 2017 14:193 -
Talon_Draconis✭✭✭central_scrutinizer wrote: »I'm done with my sub. I would have kept it up for the life of the game if it had given me access to all dlc like it had been presented to me back when the option to drop the sub was first implemented.
Deciding to call dlc something other then dlc to get around that might be great for forum warriors to use as a pretense to harangue anybody who doesn't tow the line, but I'm not going to reward that kind of behavior with my cash.
To me, the only real current value for the sub is the craft bag (I don't care about crowns at all, I think I have around 20k atm, I've only ever unlocked character slots, I don't care about anything else in the store), and I think that it's positively whorish for that to be tied to a sub. I managed without it before, and I can manage without it again. The rain of nerfs from the past few patches have decimated most of my guilds, I now have more room for stuff then I can ever use anyways.
I'm not even sure what they could add to make me re-sub, since I might not believe anything that they promise.
I have to agree with you even tho im keeping my sub. they can call it chapter or whatever they want but to me it will always be dlc.
It's nice to see other people agree with me......Now if zmax would just listen
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✭✭✭✭✭asuitandtyb14_ESO wrote: »There are other great options out there for MMOs.
no there isnt.
@ OP - cancel the sub - buy the content al a carte.
problem solvedRickterESO
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✭✭✭✭✭Talon_Draconis wrote: »
Weather I should continue to support ESO with my sub or protest against the cash grabasuitandtyb14_ESO wrote: »What debate?
I think ESO is the best MMO out there right now but there marketing of Morrowind really get me pissed off!
If you want to demonstrate that you don't agree with the requirement to purchase Morrowind the there is only one choice. Don't purchase it.
The mere purchase of Morrowind is a strong indication one is willing to support the change. If Zos makes bank on this they will continue with such business decisions.
Creating a thread to rage about the change does absolutely nada. Well, except taking up some time one could be questing in Vvardenfell.0 -
Talon_Draconis✭✭✭asuitandtyb14_ESO wrote: »There are other great options out there for MMOs.
no there isnt.
@ OP - cancel the sub - buy the content al a carte.
problem solved
I do buy the dlc what else is in the crown store worth buying
I would not be so pissed if I could buy morrwind with crowns it would be almost the same thing as geting it free with my sub BUT forcing me to shell out another $50 bucks cash for dlc which I should get as part of my sub really pisses me off...and I think alot of other people who sub feel the same way
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✭an entire month of entertainment for the cost of one decent lunch.
I really don't see why people complain about sub costs for MMO's.Edited by Drachenfier on 6 June 2017 14:363 -
Flameheart✭✭✭✭✭Drachenfier wrote: »an entire month of entertainment for the cost of one decent lunch.
I really don't see why people complain about sub costs for MMO's.
So true and as mentioned from me above, there are far worse issues to cancel a sub.
Sometimes the prey turns and nips us... it's a small thing.
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Talon_Draconis✭✭✭Drachenfier wrote: »an entire month of entertainment for the cost of one decent lunch.
I really don't see why people complain about sub costs for MMO's.
I am not complaining about the cost really
What I am complaining about is the way Zmax is going about it.
They are force me to shell out another $50 bucks cash when I already gave them about $200 so far extra for content that should have been included in my sub.
I pay my sub to support continued development of the game in effect prepaying for dlc which they promised.
Calling Morrwind an expansion and not including it in the sub is screwing us over6
