Thanks for the detailed reply. They usually manage to kill me pretty quick. I find myself running out of resources while they're still banging. Can't really escape the hurricane range and their mobility makes them tough to lock down while cc immune. Was thinking maybe running talons could help, or being a bit more liberal with Corrosive.

I'm currently standing at 1.7k stam regen and 10% Stam CR from CPs. Should I try to run more regen OR go for regen food? As for my ability to deal damage, would you suggest going for more penetration? I'm currently using a 2h Axe/Sword and Board and don't feel my damage output is an issue. Would a 2h Mace be a better option in general? Would putting MORE points into the penetration CPs be a good idea? (I think I'm at like 20 or so)

Once again, thanks for the detailed replies. It helps more than you might think!

oibam wrote: »

Get Malubeth.

Sad but true, this simple step will fix 99% of your problems with dieing in a 1v1 to anyone.

[Edit for clarity: If you use malubeth you will be just another kog in the machine to infect this games PvP with cancer and you will loose the respect of many "good" players]

Dedricus wrote: »

I'm currently standing at 1.7k stam regen and 10% Stam CR from CPs. Should I try to run more regen OR go for regen food? As for my ability to deal damage, would you suggest going for more penetration? I'm currently using a 2h Axe/Sword and Board and don't feel my damage output is an issue. Would a 2h Mace be a better option in general? Would putting MORE points into the penetration CPs be a good idea? (I think I'm at like 20 or so)

Once again, thanks for the detailed replies. It helps more than you might think!

Points into Penetration are pretty useless, try investing into damage/ crit damage / DoT damage / healing done instead.

If youre a redguard 1.7k stam reg should be enough. If you are not, try getting more (HP+ regen food is great).

2h mace does not do as much as it might seem simply because sharpened is so powerful atm. Axe is a good choice, especially if you use S+B for your damage.

Use fossilize to land your first WB. Stam sorcs are usually pretty squishy so a WB+leap+execute with poison injection up should be enough to kill them.

the stam sorc owns YOU
-pre-Homestead patch

Folks will hate you for wearing Fasala, but it shuts down most Stan builds healing completly so in that respect it's worth the damage loss

If they want to heal at all they have to stop damaging you for 2 seconds...think about it

I'm having a hard time with StamSorcs as well - fighting against them as my StamBlade in non-vet PvP. Seems they can be really strong, tanky, heal a lot, usually running 2h and heavy armor.

One thing to keep in mind about DKs, Stamsorc and Templars in general is they don't have good options for block-- outside of a stamplar running power of the light. And sometimes Fossilize, if the enemy DK is in range.

NB can pop Hysteria to open up for burst. So dealing with that is different but I digress, since OP wants help on StamSorc.

For StamSorc when he starts to engage, keep block up for a little bit and let him wear himself out. Put some dots in him, annoy him with Fossilize and talons. Blocking early also lets you get an idea of how he is gonna use streak. The stun does not break block, so you can punish him for streaking thru your blocking.

Hurricane is just a dot and really you just need to time your attacks when Hurrcaine is down-- after all Hurricane providers major phys/spell defense. So once he forgets to put it up, burst then.

If he runs away to pop Vigor/Dark Deal, chase, Fossilize when he tries to DD or bash. Keep harassing him with Dots to nullify his HoT ticks. Keep Fossilize up on him if he's not immune, it provides such a great opener to start up your burst combos on him.

StamSorc-- well Sorc in general has no native access to purge, so whatever you put on him, he needs to wait it out. Which is bad.

Wear fasallas -> slot reverb bash -> stand in hurricane and keep your dots up -> profit

Honestly Stam sorc are the strongest stam class at the moment. They have essentially unlimited sustain because of dark deal, some of the strongest cleave due to hurricane, and a very strong cc and escape tool in streak. The best counter is to heal debuff them, especially as a stam dk. If you don't want to wear fasallas, fury is a good option on a sword and board build as long as you alot reverb and put some points into befoul (heal reduction cp). Fury has a high uptime against stam sorc because of Hurricane, so you can get your dots up -> reverb -> wrecking blow -> leap -> execute.

Ahzek wrote: »

Git gud.

On a more serious note, a stam sorc should not be harder for you to deal with than any other stamina build.
Unlike DKs or templars they lack the major mending buff, so similar to NBs they are very vulnerable to high damage builds and heal debuffs, but without the option to cloak, or the incredible damage that is Surprise attack and death stroke.
Only against very low damage builds crit surge actually surpasses major mendig in usefulness, and as such a build you should be zerging it up in large group PvP and not try solo roaming.

That said, as a DK you should usually have the upper hand due to your strong DoTs, which will cut through stam sorcs small crit surge healing (~800Hps single target with 50% crit).

I homestly cant help you much further, since you need to be more specific what is giving you trouble. Are you unable to kill them ? Do they kill you too easily ? What is it that gives you trouble compared to other stam builds ?

After the patch a stam DK will be absolutely destroyed by a stam sorc of equal skill .. even on live I would say that, especially if your medium bow/twohanded.....

I do think the heal debuff build will be legit after the patch if you can maintain the stam ...that will be your issue...

Liam12548 wrote: »

Wear fasallas -> slot reverb bash -> stand in hurricane and keep your dots up -> profit

Honestly Stam sorc are the strongest stam class at the moment. They have essentially unlimited sustain because of dark deal, some of the strongest cleave due to hurricane, and a very strong cc and escape tool in streak. The best counter is to heal debuff them, especially as a stam dk. If you don't want to wear fasallas, fury is a good option on a sword and board build as long as you alot reverb and put some points into befoul (heal reduction cp). Fury has a high uptime against stam sorc because of Hurricane, so you can get your dots up -> reverb -> wrecking blow -> leap -> execute.

What's with so many people calling AOE's Cleave's lately?

Sensei_Brew wrote: »

Hit them with venom arrow when they run away to dark deal....Then crit rush dizzy swing take flight.....rip

Thank you! I reviewed a video of myself in non vet PVP, this time versus a Stamplar in heavy armor with 2hand. Same thing. I've now morphed poison arrow for the execute. I'm also going to start slotting venon arrow like you suggested for the defile (on my NightBlade, my other source being Incapacitating Strike). I use stamina poisons already to counter vigor, rally, etc. I think the key is defile and saving my burst for when they get low and start doing panic heals.