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Ban ZOS for participating and supporting bot and goldseller activities
Verbalinkontinenz
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As I brought up to attention, ZOS in the past banned people for trading items with -by ZOS known- goldselling farmers. Usually many trading active people reach out for cheap stuff to resell it on guild stores as example. If someone offers me wax for 4k and I can sell it for 5k - why not - thats what many think, if someone offers me cheap alloys in zone and its cheaper than the alloys in the guild stores provided - why not buy this for my gear. This might now lead into ban from the game, since Zenimax prefers to punish players instead of those people, who act against the rules. Regarding Zenimax argumentation its "participating in gold selling activities", if u trade with goldselling people. Quite easy for ZOS it is.
I'm gonna make it as easy as ZOS does:
* ZOS gives the option to rename an account as often as u want it, right in a time, where guilds start actively sharing accountnames of known botters/goldseller to better get rid of them out of the guild system, even autokick-addons depending on name have been made, they are now useless
* ZOS doesnt ban botting accounts, even though they get brought to their attention by reports from players, some of those reported acocounts are often active for months
* ZOS staff even admits, beeing aware of some goldsellers and doesnt ban them (" a known goldseller") instead of that it's faking activity against that problem by banning players for buying farmed material
For me it looks like ZOS shows a very supportive nature towards goldsellers and farmbots, is even sabotaging the efforts of players and gms to deal wtih the problems and refuses to work with those people, who are investigative enough, take their time to find the bots, share screenshots, screenshots of guild activities and trying to get into contact with them to get a deeper view of the structures and methods of some goldsellergroups.
So, as written somewhere else...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3929639/#Comment_3929639
Edited by Verbalinkontinenz on 23 March 2017 17:26 I'm gonna make it as easy as ZOS does:
* ZOS gives the option to rename an account as often as u want it, right in a time, where guilds start actively sharing accountnames of known botters/goldseller to better get rid of them out of the guild system, even autokick-addons depending on name have been made, they are now useless
* ZOS doesnt ban botting accounts, even though they get brought to their attention by reports from players, some of those reported acocounts are often active for months
* ZOS staff even admits, beeing aware of some goldsellers and doesnt ban them (" a known goldseller") instead of that it's faking activity against that problem by banning players for buying farmed material
For me it looks like ZOS shows a very supportive nature towards goldsellers and farmbots, is even sabotaging the efforts of players and gms to deal wtih the problems and refuses to work with those people, who are investigative enough, take their time to find the bots, share screenshots, screenshots of guild activities and trying to get into contact with them to get a deeper view of the structures and methods of some goldsellergroups.
So, as written somewhere else...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3929639/#Comment_3929639
Ban ZOS for participating and supporting bot and goldseller activities 26 votes
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Verbalinkontinenz✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭i know its silly to ask for a zos-ban.
i just made it as silly as their argumentation about that bot- and goldseller problem. 1 -
Cêltic421✭✭✭✭So what exactly are you asking of people? To boycott ESO? You can't ban the creator of a game, they are the one that owns all of its players accounts.
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✭✭So what exactly are you asking of people? To boycott ESO? You can't ban the creator of a game, they are the one that owns all of its players accounts.
omg, u really think i am asking to ban ZOS? i am just trying to bring something really wicked about ZOS actions up to your attention and all u ask is "do u really want to ban ZOS, that doesnt work!"
c'mon
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I don't think you understand what gold selling is. Let's fix this.Verbalinkontinenz wrote: »If someone offers me wax for 4k and I can sell it for 5k - why not - thats what many think, if someone offers me cheap alloys in zone and its cheaper than the alloys in the guild stores provided - why not buy this for my gear. This might now lead into ban from the game, since Zenimax prefers to punish players instead of those people, who act against the rules.
Gold selling is the act where players farm gold, then using sources outside the game, sell the gold for real cash. The players then "meet up" in game, and one player will sell a bottle of slime and get 100,000g in return.
Another example would be a player trades off a stack of 20+ purple motifs for a blue one, with the player buying the purple motifs they can then sell in a guild store.
ZoS is looking out for these types of transactions. You rushing out to buy 4k of 5k's worth of wax isn't an issue, unless you do it so much, that it pings their radar.
ZoS isn't going to describe how they look for these buyers/sellers for obvious reasons, but you can bet they're using algorithms to flag suspect transactions.
A few here or there won't be alarm to worry over a ban. Even I would take advantage of buying a 10k gold motif knowing I can sell it for more.
If I did it daily... then I'd probably have something to worry about.
So relax, frugal merchant. You're perfectly safe on capitalizing on a good deal when you see it.
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✭✭Gold selling is the act where players farm gold, then using sources outside the game, sell the gold for real cash. The players then "meet up" in game, and one player will sell a bottle of slime and get 100,000g in return.
i am quite sure i understand what gold selling activities are. goldseller usually farm raw material, wax, alloy and sell those to people to get ingame gold which then gets sold to other people who need ingame gold.
meanwhile it doesnt only make u banned, if u buy gold or sell gold, but also when u buy the farmed material from someone who then uses the gold for goldselling activities.
a one million trade does ping their rader, and that isnt a lot, at least for the very trading active people. many people needed millions for housing, many people need gold and sold their stuff also cheap. a 1 mio transaction isnt something big anymore, but it make zos ping. regarding zos argumetnation u are already into goldselling activities, whe u "provide" a goldseller gold, and this not always happens knowingly. but it makes u banned.So relax, frugal merchant. You're perfectly safe on capitalizing on a good deal when you see it.
and no, i am not. and many arent as well.
ZOS cannot blame people for trading, when they have to work against the real problems, and that arent the normal players and traders, but the goldselling bots.
Edited by Verbalinkontinenz on 23 March 2017 17:482 -
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✭✭✭postlarval wrote: »Other
Someone needs professional counseling.
You do, he actually speaks the truth5 -
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But nobody cares about the truth anymore ...Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »he she actually speaks the truth
As my girlfriend likes to say "Logic has no place in this argument".
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✭✭✭rotaugen454 wrote: »But, do you intend to actually ban ZoS?
Just have to buy out there company and then she can do it0 -
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parkham✭✭✭How about looking at it this way: If you:
- Don't care about the "economy" of an mmo
- Don't care about what other players are doing
Then:
How is this bothering you?
OK, don't look at it that way, fine.
How about:
How is the so-called MMO "economy" being destroyed and why is this a problem for you?
Look:
Anyone can play this game and be happy without ever interacting with anyone, ever. Anyone with an ounce of social skills can find like minded friends to play this game and.. be happy - without an "economy".
No algorithm in the world is going to stop RMT gold selling if their's real world money to be had, nor stop smart botting programs from farming until judgement day. If CCP games can't stop it, then ZOS sure as hell can't stop it.
Also, you really don't know whether ZOS is banning so-called botters or not - how can you make the claim?
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Verbalinkontinenz✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Also, you really don't know whether ZOS is banning so-called botters or not - how can you make the claim?
u can make the claim quite easily: see the botters. report them. see them weeks and months later still.
how i can claim, that goldsellers stay in game? find goldselling transactions in master merchant. report them (a cp 150 infrno staff in green, no set, ugly trait - 300k - its goldselling), see that players still in game weeks and months later.
but u have something about that question:
what me reporting someone suupposingly beeing a goldseller-bot. see him 2 weeks later still active. shouldnt be a problem, that account is fine. i can buy then from him. or? nope. i can't.How is the so-called MMO "economy" being destroyed and why is this a problem for you?
how about thinking that not everyone plays this mmo like "questing, leveling, getting story, trying to raid and stuff" - but like.... "i like to farm around and buy some nice stuff for my house then" - as example. what about those people providing material with honest work, while that material gets cheaper and cheaper and loses more and more of worth.
how about ZOS wanting to have a working economy where stuff might be more expensive than other stuff, more rare than other stuff, wanting players to stay in game and to work for their stuff. instead of that, its getting easier and easier, cheaper and cheaper and will be worth nothing sooner or later. for those, who want to be in top-raid fast without much effort, its nice to have the cheapest wax since 2 years, right, but its not natural to the game design and its not fair to the players who also provide that material with their own hard work.Edited by Verbalinkontinenz on 23 March 2017 18:142 -
seaef✭✭✭✭✭Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »postlarval wrote: »Other
Someone needs professional counseling.
You do, he actually speaks the truth
I doubt you would recognize truth if someone shoved it in your face, scooter.
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OP you're probably going to get a forums bad if you keep it up, help fight the good fight with calm criticism and facts, please don't let anger guide your posts.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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OP you're probably going to get a forums bad if you keep it up, help fight the good fight with calm criticism and facts, please don't let anger guide your posts.
sry, cant.
i am angry. some of the gms on eu pc have been acitvely trying to work against the bot problem, reporting like ***, some of our officers which also were very into that problem, ran around scouting those bots on their farmspots, we did a lot to get rid of those accounts from the guilds, because reporting didnt help anything. made and addon to list that known accounts to get them autokicked, shared information about goldselling accounts. now we just face the fact, that normal palyers start to bot/rubberband too, since they know, it wont happen a lot, in bot forum people are laughing bout zos, and how easy it is to bot without beeing caught and meanwhile normal traders get banned.
this is a huge pile of ***, zos is building up here.5 -
ZOS_JohanaB✭✭✭✭We've closed this thread as it is not constructive criticism. While we understand the frustration at ZOS such polls do little to constructively share that frustration and as such can be considered flaming. Please review the community rules to assure they are being followed.0
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