No CP PvP

Feardraconis · March 2017

Honestly, I feel like no CP PvP is just who can Zerg better. I play on AD on Trueflame, It seems like if you just roll with a 24-Man Zerg you will win pretty much all the time. I feel Hardcore DC and EP Players have the same issues. Literally this entire week of x2 AP has just been a Zerg Fest. I know because I lead 24-Man Groups. I feel CP brings an edge to the game that a lot of people do not realize, and that is a 6-Man group is still a threat to a full 24 with CP. Without it, playing small-scale groups is near impossible, regardless of player skill because you will just get zerged down by 50 players of another faction.

Anyone else find this to be an issue with this week?

FearlessOne_2014 · March 2017

Lol yeah I do. However some of the zerglings here. Want to turn Cyrodiil into the same failed RvR project that is GW2's WvW. Where skill and counter play means nothing against, can't be bother to learn how to play player group, but feel entitled to getting free kills on the players who do just because they can muster up more numbers. Basically people just want the ESO version of K-Training and PvDing that caused GW2's WvW to fail. Yall want that type of game play go over there.

Feardraconis · March 2017

I agree completely, Just zerging around is not fun for me personally, Our guild has now transitioned into more small-scale groups because of the fact that it provides a much bigger challenge to roll with a smaller group to try and take out larger ones. I feel this week has populated the servers yes, however has not taken into account the fact that CP allows for better gameplay in small groups.

This week has been a complete screw up in terms of balance for small groups who run, like Haxus and Invictus from EP which imho are some of the best organized groups in Trueflame PvP. Honestly I feel for these guys because it ruins their gameplay and fun in the game, which is take on overwhelming odds, and win. CP plays a huge part in this, not just player skill or group coordination.

Rohaus · March 2017

Battlegrounds will resolve all of this Zerg play... unfortunately, it will most likely bring in new things to complain about... I just hope people are patient and just remember the limited form of PvP we currently have.

Czirne · March 2017

Actually 100% AP boost is reason why cyrodiil is full and everyone zergs, nothing to do with cp.

kuro-dono · March 2017

rohaus, you will be badly disappointed. battlegrounds will just show us how unbalanced this game is. atm not enough ppl pointing that out. but with battleground... oh man the whine will be glorious. battleground will be place where victories will be split between friends. rest will just end up sucking their tears. similar how bleakers is going. be rdy.

Lieblingsjunge · March 2017

Non-CP makes Solo-Play harder(most cases) & makes group-play easier. That's all there is to it. I love non-CP though. Easier to take on an enemy group as 2-3 people,than if they all have max CP

Feardraconis · March 2017

Czirne, I do realize that is the majority of the reason why many people are playing this week. Not because of no CP. I just feel CP does bring an aspect to the game that some people dont realize which is what I was trying to get at. Having never played in Azura's Star, this week has been eye opening to me that CP makes a huge difference for small group play.

Out of curiosity, how is Azura's Star in this case with Zergs? Cause I feel this week has been fun as hell, but it requires taking advantage of Geography more and "out of the box" thinking to get objectives done as a team.

Anyone's thoughts on this?

Czirne · March 2017

Feardraconis wrote: »

Czirne, I do realize that is the majority of the reason why many people are playing this week. Not because of no CP. I just feel CP does bring an aspect to the game that some people dont realize which is what I was trying to get at. Having never played in Azura's Star, this week has been eye opening to me that CP makes a huge difference for small group play.

Out of curiosity, how is Azura's Star in this case with Zergs? Cause I feel this week has been fun as hell, but it requires taking advantage of Geography more and "out of the box" thinking to get objectives done as a team.

Anyone's thoughts on this?

I have played on Azura star a lot, of course there are some zergs (mainly in bleakers <-> chalman area and alessia bridge), but there were almost no choo choo trains(last played in january, maybe this changed since than).

About No CP and small group/ 1vX, its possible, and many people will disagree with me, but i feel that 1vX or outnumbered pvp is even "easier" in no CP campaings. Maybe easier is not the right word... thing is not only you have limited resources, but everyone else have limited resources aswell.
The moment you learn to play smart, manage your resources, weave heavy atacks and stop "panic dodgerolling" everytime you got hit hard, you start to feel difference and realize that no CP pvp is more about knowing your class and knowing limits of what you can do.
I died a lot to 5+ people, but I killed 5+ people by myself a lot too. You have to kite, use LoS smart and watch out for big burst abilites and block/reflect it(dodging itself is unrealible, dodge iframe is not working when you get hit by magic aoe). They ussually go ham on you, feeling secure in numbers, and they burn they resources really fast. 5 enemies with no resources are like sheeps waiting to get slaughtered.

Czirne · March 2017

kuro-dono wrote: »

rohaus, you will be badly disappointed. battlegrounds will just show us how unbalanced this game is. atm not enough ppl pointing that out. but with battleground... oh man the whine will be glorious. battleground will be place where victories will be split between friends. rest will just end up sucking their tears. similar how bleakers is going. be rdy.

Exactly this! I will quote myself (21st of January. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3710529#Comment_3710529):

"Instanced pvp aka battleground or arenas would be fine, but not in the current state of game.
Balance is problem - more like lack of it actually. in current state of game batlegounds or arenas would be dominated by team composition 50% magplars, 50% stamsorcs.
In order to introduce instanced pvp ZOS would have to significantly rebalance all aspects of game, to make every class, either magicka or stamina, viable and balanced. Same goes for every armor type and weapons skills, and even for gear an certain armor sets.
Without such balance instanced pvp is pointless."

There can NOT be competetive, ranked and FUN battlegrounds and arenas in game balanced about AvAvA pvp.

Feardraconis · March 2017

Considering I have only ever played in Trueflame it has been an interesting week of PvP for me. I have mixed feelings about no CP. I feel it has its ups and downs. An example is that newer players can get a more balanced feel for the fast paced PvP in ESO in Azuras which helps build the PvP community which is a huge benefit for ESO in general. However, the Zerging was extremely intensive this week on ALL factions. Again however this has become somewhat of a staple in Cryodil.

I feel PvP will not see competitive edge till Morrowwind Expansion with the new Battlegrounds

However to really see how big of a difference it makes, I will have to try Azura to see if I really like it more.

ZoM_Head · March 2017

When those zergs come to a keep, 1 cold fire ballista shot and watch how many vampires are either 1 shotted or spot how bad their healers are and get a few kills while you are at it.