Khajiit Stamina Nightblade

NocturnalGuideMe · January 2017

Currently working on a build, tried to take it PvP last night and got wrecked. Bow seemed to be the only thing that saved me. Does anyone have advice for a true assassin i n Cyrodil or can it just not be done?

Works okay in PvE. I may have to rethink my virtual life choices of killing the innocent all for the profit of a few measly Septims...

Aztlan · January 2017

Well, there are lots of builds out there. Just search around. But be aware that you need impenetrable for high crit resistance, and if you're running medium armor, you have to dodge roll a lot, block line of sight, or invest in defensive skills such as Mirage, Shuffle, and Deadly Cloak.

NocturnalGuideMe · January 2017

Whats impenetrable.

i made a build profile here if anyone wants to check it out and critque:
http://esoacademy.com/builds/blood-moon-shadow-experimental-stamina-nb/

Valwe wrote: »

Well, there are lots of builds out there. Just search around. But be aware that you need impenetrable for high crit resistance, and if you're running medium armor, you have to dodge roll a lot, block line of sight, or invest in defensive skills such as Mirage, Shuffle, and Deadly Cloak.

Curtdogg47 · January 2017

Impenetrable is an armor trait a lot of people use in PVP.

What level are you currently? If you are still leveling than I wouldn't worry to much about getting things dialed in yet. I would suggest that you focus on leveling up skills and playing around with different rotations.

You don't need the same ultimate on booth bars. I would use flawless Dawn Breaker on your bar that you will do the most fighting on. It gives a %5 boot to damage while slotted.

Also you will want Vigor from the PVP skills. It is a great self heal.

Durham · January 2017

First of all cyrodil requires a learning curve and will take some time to become effective....
Practice your rotations in PVE... watch streams... don't expect to go out in PVP and be able to solo right off the grind train...

NocturnalGuideMe · January 2017

Curtdogg47 wrote: »

Impenetrable is an armor trait a lot of people use in PVP.

What level are you currently? If you are still leveling than I wouldn't worry to much about getting things dialed in yet. I would suggest that you focus on leveling up skills and playing around with different rotations.

You don't need the same ultimate on booth bars. I would use flawless Dawn Breaker on your bar that you will do the most fighting on. It gives a %5 boot to damage while slotted.

Also you will want Vigor from the PVP skills. It is a great self heal.

Yeah that'si appreciate the good advice. I'm currently level 27. I've been studying build guides and watching videos, trying to find what works best for me. Trying to find what benefits I can get from passives and what not to waste a skill point on. I learned slot with my first two charcters.

NocturnalGuideMe · January 2017

Durham wrote: »

First of all cyrodil requires a learning curve and will take some time to become effective....
Practice your rotations in PVE... watch streams... don't expect to go out in PVP and be able to solo right off the grind train...

Haha yeah I pretty much realized that when I followed a group into a stronghold and got wrecked. Just gotta git gud

Olen_Mikko · January 2017

NocturnalGuideMe wrote: »

Whats impenetrable.

i made a build profile here if anyone wants to check it out and critque:
http://esoacademy.com/builds/blood-moon-shadow-experimental-stamina-nb/

Why do you use magicka morph (lotus fan) of Teleport strike, if you're stamina build?

My suggestion would be replacing funnel health for agony (root / cc) or fear.

Your weapon damage scales from stamina, where spell damage scales from magicka, (funnel health is not so great for stamina build) so if you really want to do damage, put your attributes into stamina with some to health, if you lack survivability.

You'll have enough magicka to cast fear / agony / cloak even if you don't put attributes into magicka.

NocturnalGuideMe · January 2017

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

NocturnalGuideMe wrote: »

Whats impenetrable.

i made a build profile here if anyone wants to check it out and critque:
http://esoacademy.com/builds/blood-moon-shadow-experimental-stamina-nb/

Why do you use magicka morph (lotus fan) of Teleport strike, if you're stamina build?

My suggestion would be replacing funnel health for agony (root / cc) or fear.

Your weapon damage scales from stamina, where spell damage scales from magicka, (funnel health is not so great for stamina build) so if you really want to do damage, put your attributes into stamina with some to health, if you lack survivability.

You'll have enough magicka to cast fear / agony / cloak even if you don't put attributes into magicka.

I use Lotus Fan, because Ambush seemed to chew up my initial Stamina and left me none to follow up with. Now that I started tryingg the Cloak/surprise attack combo that might not be an issue again. I was having g trouble with resource management so that was the only magicka on my bar. Also I saw really no difference as far as critical striking damage. But maybe that's me.

Funnel health is only there because I was having trouble soloing against bosses and it gave me a little survivability while I chucked bosses down to 25% to get the killers blade 300% damage Finisher.

I'm starting to think my build is broken due to poor gear drops (at level 27 and my physical resistance isn't even over 10k, and each dagger is just over 1k) I've been doing everything to fortify my stamina with a few points in health but if anything it seems my guy is slower. And I can't seem to keep my stats from fluxing while I'm just trying to help him.

Katahdin · January 2017

Your biggest problem is that you're level 27. You're going to be limited.

Get to level 50 with CP 160 gear and you'll fare much better.

You have to remember as a assassin/ganker you need to put alot of resources into damage.

It will always be a trade off between more damage and heath/mitigation.

You also need to pick your targets/fights carefully and not overextend.

It's definitely a learning curve. I'm also going through that process too.

NocturnalGuideMe · January 2017

Katahdin wrote: »

Your biggest problem is that you're level 27. You're going to be limited.

Get to level 50 with CP 160 gear and you'll fare much better.

You have to remember as a assassin/ganker you need to put alot of resources into damage.

It will always be a trade off between more damage and heath/mitigation.

You also need to pick your targets/fights carefully and not overextend.

It's definitely a learning curve. I'm also going through that process too.

Thanks for the advice. Yeah like I said I'm just trying to grind through doing the storylines, but trying to figure out what skills to put points onto and what skills to wait for is the hardest part haha

Ghettokid · January 2017

Orc is better

NocturnalGuideMe · January 2017

Ghettokid wrote: »

Orc is better

It would be. If I could have Donkey non-combat pet...

kadar · January 2017

NocturnalGuideMe wrote: »

Currently working on a build, tried to take it PvP last night and got wrecked. Bow seemed to be the only thing that saved me. Does anyone have advice for a true assassin i n Cyrodil or can it just not be done?

Works okay in PvE. I may have to rethink my virtual life choices of killing the innocent all for the profit of a few measly Septims...

@NocturnalGuideMe

Being level 27, stick to the non-vet PVP campaign, or at least the no-CP campaign.
Being a Stamina NB, you'll want to invest all points into Stamina. If you're health is too low, buff it with food (Max Health + Max Stamina ideally), or maybe a few attribute points into health. Attribute points are really inexpensive to change later. Consider Magicka your buff/utility resource pool.
Don't run both Surprise Attack and Rapid Strikes. They are both single target spam-able abilities and you don't need 2. I would choose Surprise Attack as it has superior burst and farrrrrr superior secondary effects. Oh, and don't be confused by the name: Surprise Attack is just as effectively used out of stealth in open melee combat as it is from sneak. I think it's name more refers to the speed of it's animation than it's intended function.
Remorph Lotus fan to Ambush. This can be done cheaply at the shrine in your factions capital city.
Drop funnel health. Like Lotus fan, that ability scales off of Magicka and since you have little to none, it won't do very much damage as you get more powerful.

What server, platform, alliance are you?

AzuraKin · January 2017

NocturnalGuideMe wrote: »

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

NocturnalGuideMe wrote: »

Whats impenetrable.

i made a build profile here if anyone wants to check it out and critque:
http://esoacademy.com/builds/blood-moon-shadow-experimental-stamina-nb/

Why do you use magicka morph (lotus fan) of Teleport strike, if you're stamina build?

My suggestion would be replacing funnel health for agony (root / cc) or fear.

Your weapon damage scales from stamina, where spell damage scales from magicka, (funnel health is not so great for stamina build) so if you really want to do damage, put your attributes into stamina with some to health, if you lack survivability.

You'll have enough magicka to cast fear / agony / cloak even if you don't put attributes into magicka.

I use Lotus Fan, because Ambush seemed to chew up my initial Stamina and left me none to follow up with. Now that I started tryingg the Cloak/surprise attack combo that might not be an issue again. I was having g trouble with resource management so that was the only magicka on my bar. Also I saw really no difference as far as critical striking damage. But maybe that's me.

Funnel health is only there because I was having trouble soloing against bosses and it gave me a little survivability while I chucked bosses down to 25% to get the killers blade 300% damage Finisher.

I'm starting to think my build is broken due to poor gear drops (at level 27 and my physical resistance isn't even over 10k, and each dagger is just over 1k) I've been doing everything to fortify my stamina with a few points in health but if anything it seems my guy is slower. And I can't seem to keep my stats from fluxing while I'm just trying to help him.

this is what you want to decide and focus on as a pvp:

1. always impen on traits, the crit resist will help you more then a few points extra damage.

2. decide if you want to be solo or group player.

3. if you decide on group player decide on tank, healer, burst dps, sustain dps, or support dps.

>tank: you want to debuff enemy healing recieved, resistance, damage done, slow them, and crowd control (root, stun ect) them.

>healer: you want to heal your team, provide damage buffs, cleanse debuffs off your team, restore resources to your team.

>burst dps: high damage output, low sustain. these builds focus on rushing in taking out targets fast and hard. need to be highly mobile as you move in do damage, fall back behind ally lines. generally uses 2nd weapon

>sustain dps: balances regen with power for sustained damage (nonstop damage without needing to rest or heavy attack for resource sustain). generally uses bow and/or dw. these generally stick with the group.

>support dps: these are unique builds that support tanks and healers in buffing and debuffing team, but focus on doing damage rather then absorbing hits or healing team. this is a role highly suited for builds like a spc siphon nightblade who does damage but can provide spc buff to teammates in place of a healer. these builds are generally highly specialized and usually only seen in players who consistently play with same group (guildmates).

i hope this helps you.

NocturnalGuideMe · January 2017

The_Outsider wrote: »

NocturnalGuideMe wrote: »

Currently working on a build, tried to take it PvP last night and got wrecked. Bow seemed to be the only thing that saved me. Does anyone have advice for a true assassin i n Cyrodil or can it just not be done?

Works okay in PvE. I may have to rethink my virtual life choices of killing the innocent all for the profit of a few measly Septims...

@NocturnalGuideMe
Being level 27, stick to the non-vet PVP campaign, or at least the no-CP campaign.

Being a Stamina NB, you'll want to invest all points into Stamina. If you're health is too low, buff it with food (Max Health + Max Stamina ideally), or maybe a few attribute points into health. Attribute points are really inexpensive to change later. Consider Magicka your buff/utility resource pool.

Don't run both Surprise Attack and Rapid Strikes. They are both single target spam-able abilities and you don't need 2. I would choose Surprise Attack as it has superior burst and farrrrrr superior secondary effects. Oh, and don't be confused by the name: Surprise Attack is just as effectively used out of stealth in open melee combat as it is from sneak. I think it's name more refers to the speed of it's animation than it's intended function.

Remorph Lotus fan to Ambush. This can be done cheaply at the shrine in your factions capital city.

Drop funnel health. Like Lotus fan, that ability scales off of Magicka and since you have little to none, it won't do very much damage as you get more powerful.

What server, platform, alliance are you?

@The_Outsider
This. Very well said and helpful as well. thank you.

im going to respec my morphs and attributes now. i think im going to drop funnel health all together then and put the 2 points elsewhere? Agony or something? What is your advice on that?

Im on Xbox One North America sever. Aldemeri Dominion

davey1107 · January 2017

Ok...so looking at your posts and builds, yes you can become a dread assassin. Here are some general tips that I think will help you get on your way:

- You can find great build and tutorial videos from Deltias Gaming, Alcasthq.com and sypherPK. You aren't there yet, but they can give you an idea of what skills to be working on.

- for game mechanics and everything ESO, I like these sites - ESO Academy, sunshine daydream (omg...great crafting info) or Tamriel foundry.

- From your build, you have a ways to go learning the mechanics and game systems. That's not at all an insult - there's a lot to learn. For example, your character deals physical/poison/ disease damage based on their max stamina, and magic/flame/frost/shock based on max magic. So a character geared to have lots of stam will hit very hard with stam abilities, and very weakly with magic. Therefore, in pvp the goal is to equip a character to be either stamina or magicka. You're a stam build - you don't want lotus fan, since it's a magic ability. Your hits will be 1/4 as hard as the other morph, which scales off stamina. You don't really want funnel health. But poison inject, killers blade, surprise attack, flurry, steel tornado - these are stam abilities, and good ones.

- there are always exceptions. You do have magic, so you want a "magic dump" ability...something to rely on when you're stam is down. For stamblades, that's cloak (either morph). Cloak is your friend in pvp, for sure.

Pvp tips:

- there's a learning curve. Lot's of people in this thread say to wait to pvp. I disagree. I had loads of fun pvp-ing my stamblade since I was in my 20s. You'll die a lot, but you'll learn a lot.
- Read your death reports. When you see what's killing you and what's hitting you hard you can figure out how to adapt.
- Run in groups. You'll learn a lot here too. Not necessarily mega zergs, but decent size groups. Your group members will assist with things like heals, so you don't need the funnel health waste of a slot. When I was lower level, I liked to camp my NB at a keep breach as a lookout/assassin when my team went in. Finding playstyle opportunities like this is easier than solo.
- Or team gank. 1v1 is tough on a stamblade even for an experienced player. Play like a cunning, ruthless assassin. Run with a Templar or DK. You sneak, they derp. When they draw an enemy for a fight, let them start it. Wait for it...wait for it...then step in with dps insanity.
- Earn vigor, it will CHANGE YOUR LIFE. Seriously...your stamblade will feel twice as sustainable, also in pve. It's 85,000 AP to unlock it...so one big reason to keep on pvp-ing.
- Consider keep defense. Big defenses award mega-AP. Your guy is squishy on the ground. Up behind a wall he has cloak and can move quickly. Help out by hiding and watching for enemy players that get their health below 50%. Then step in with snipe and poison inject. You can serve to pick off hurt players...it's fun and helpful to your team.
- When I was low level in pvp, I relied on night silence as a set for the speed. No...vets won't use this...but it saved my neck soooooo many times.

Let me know if you have specific questions. If you reply with @me in the post it'll notify me so I see it.

NocturnalGuideMe · January 2017

AzuraKin wrote: »

NocturnalGuideMe wrote: »

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

NocturnalGuideMe wrote: »

Whats impenetrable.

i made a build profile here if anyone wants to check it out and critque:
http://esoacademy.com/builds/blood-moon-shadow-experimental-stamina-nb/

Why do you use magicka morph (lotus fan) of Teleport strike, if you're stamina build?

My suggestion would be replacing funnel health for agony (root / cc) or fear.

Your weapon damage scales from stamina, where spell damage scales from magicka, (funnel health is not so great for stamina build) so if you really want to do damage, put your attributes into stamina with some to health, if you lack survivability.

You'll have enough magicka to cast fear / agony / cloak even if you don't put attributes into magicka.

I use Lotus Fan, because Ambush seemed to chew up my initial Stamina and left me none to follow up with. Now that I started tryingg the Cloak/surprise attack combo that might not be an issue again. I was having g trouble with resource management so that was the only magicka on my bar. Also I saw really no difference as far as critical striking damage. But maybe that's me.

Funnel health is only there because I was having trouble soloing against bosses and it gave me a little survivability while I chucked bosses down to 25% to get the killers blade 300% damage Finisher.

I'm starting to think my build is broken due to poor gear drops (at level 27 and my physical resistance isn't even over 10k, and each dagger is just over 1k) I've been doing everything to fortify my stamina with a few points in health but if anything it seems my guy is slower. And I can't seem to keep my stats from fluxing while I'm just trying to help him.

this is what you want to decide and focus on as a pvp:

1. always impen on traits, the crit resist will help you more then a few points extra damage.

2. decide if you want to be solo or group player.

3. if you decide on group player decide on tank, healer, burst dps, sustain dps, or support dps.

>tank: you want to debuff enemy healing recieved, resistance, damage done, slow them, and crowd control (root, stun ect) them.

>healer: you want to heal your team, provide damage buffs, cleanse debuffs off your team, restore resources to your team.

>burst dps: high damage output, low sustain. these builds focus on rushing in taking out targets fast and hard. need to be highly mobile as you move in do damage, fall back behind ally lines. generally uses 2nd weapon

>sustain dps: balances regen with power for sustained damage (nonstop damage without needing to rest or heavy attack for resource sustain). generally uses bow and/or dw. these generally stick with the group.

>support dps: these are unique builds that support tanks and healers in buffing and debuffing team, but focus on doing damage rather then absorbing hits or healing team. this is a role highly suited for builds like a spc siphon nightblade who does damage but can provide spc buff to teammates in place of a healer. these builds are generally highly specialized and usually only seen in players who consistently play with same group (guildmates).

i hope this helps you.

since im fairly new to MMOs i feel solo is best for me, since im not clear on all the roles and how to excute them. and i feel my playstyle is more that of a scout or assassin. run in, find out whats up, or distract and be out. or run in, take out a couple of key pieces and be gone or sacrificed.

NocturnalGuideMe · January 2017

davey1107 wrote: »

Ok...so looking at your posts and builds, yes you can become a dread assassin. Here are some general tips that I think will help you get on your way:

- You can find great build and tutorial videos from Deltias Gaming, Alcasthq.com and sypherPK. You aren't there yet, but they can give you an idea of what skills to be working on.

- for game mechanics and everything ESO, I like these sites - ESO Academy, sunshine daydream (omg...great crafting info) or Tamriel foundry.

- From your build, you have a ways to go learning the mechanics and game systems. That's not at all an insult - there's a lot to learn. For example, your character deals physical/poison/ disease damage based on their max stamina, and magic/flame/frost/shock based on max magic. So a character geared to have lots of stam will hit very hard with stam abilities, and very weakly with magic. Therefore, in pvp the goal is to equip a character to be either stamina or magicka. You're a stam build - you don't want lotus fan, since it's a magic ability. Your hits will be 1/4 as hard as the other morph, which scales off stamina. You don't really want funnel health. But poison inject, killers blade, surprise attack, flurry, steel tornado - these are stam abilities, and good ones.

- there are always exceptions. You do have magic, so you want a "magic dump" ability...something to rely on when you're stam is down. For stamblades, that's cloak (either morph). Cloak is your friend in pvp, for sure.

Pvp tips:

- there's a learning curve. Lot's of people in this thread say to wait to pvp. I disagree. I had loads of fun pvp-ing my stamblade since I was in my 20s. You'll die a lot, but you'll learn a lot.
- Read your death reports. When you see what's killing you and what's hitting you hard you can figure out how to adapt.
- Run in groups. You'll learn a lot here too. Not necessarily mega zergs, but decent size groups. Your group members will assist with things like heals, so you don't need the funnel health waste of a slot. When I was lower level, I liked to camp my NB at a keep breach as a lookout/assassin when my team went in. Finding playstyle opportunities like this is easier than solo.
- Or team gank. 1v1 is tough on a stamblade even for an experienced player. Play like a cunning, ruthless assassin. Run with a Templar or DK. You sneak, they derp. When they draw an enemy for a fight, let them start it. Wait for it...wait for it...then step in with dps insanity.
- Earn vigor, it will CHANGE YOUR LIFE. Seriously...your stamblade will feel twice as sustainable, also in pve. It's 85,000 AP to unlock it...so one big reason to keep on pvp-ing.
- Consider keep defense. Big defenses award mega-AP. Your guy is squishy on the ground. Up behind a wall he has cloak and can move quickly. Help out by hiding and watching for enemy players that get their health below 50%. Then step in with snipe and poison inject. You can serve to pick off hurt players...it's fun and helpful to your team.
- When I was low level in pvp, I relied on night silence as a set for the speed. No...vets won't use this...but it saved my neck soooooo many times.

Let me know if you have specific questions. If you reply with @me in the post it'll notify me so I see it.

@davey1107

wow thank you. All these posts seem to have a general consensus about funnel health and stuff. going to go respec my morph now, but should I bother putting a point back into other dual wield abilities? I have them slotted because they seem to do damage and i want to grind up to the twin blade and blunt passive for daggers. right now would my point be better put in something else to build for now?
im getting rid of funnel health, so should i have those two points somewhere else?
also what should i have slotted for ultimates?
i have Soul Tether on my Dual Wield bar and Soul Harvest on my Bow bar.

NocturnalGuideMe · January 2017

And also finding armor and weapons and sets seem to be an issue for me. what is the best way i can do that for now or is that something i shouldnt really worry about till Lvl50

davey1107 · January 2017

I'm on a sick day, so I can address some of that.

Spending points: you should freely spend on all passives in your class skills, weapons you use, medium armor, first three passives in heavy, some fighters. Don't worry...with One Tam all the shards and public dungeons are open for you, spend points freely and go grab some more when low. You won't run out, especially if also running the faction quest line.

Tip: as a stamblade who wants to pvp, do NOT ignore improved hiding in legerdemain. Sneaking at 40% less stam cost in pvp is veeeeeeeery helpful. This is a bit of a grind, but not too bad. Spend one point in trafficker to allow 220 fence transactions a day. Find a route to safely steal from containers. I run the Inn complex in Orsinium...it's a long path with barely any NPCs. That nets me 180ish fence items per trip. Ten runs (spread out on different days) or so and you're at ledger 16 and able to max the sneak passive. Also, this higher leger will return more valuable items from stealing and chests. The other option is to become a pickpocketing khajit and run thieves guild repeatable quests from Hews...might as well level thieves, leger and earn coin all at once.

Grinding skills: as a low level, definitely keep rotating your skills to work up your lines. Keep one class skill from each line on your bar...that's how those level. So if you're running pve, feel free to keep funnel health on there until you unlock the last two (which are good for stam builds) so you can bring them in to keep your siphoning leveling. So early on build bars that have three class skills minimum, and round out with weapon skills you need to level the lines for.

Big tip: you can level a ability and skill line even if you can't use it on the bar. So, say your 2h is behind. You can put a 2h ability on a dual wield setup. The button won't do anything and is a wasted slot, but the xp you earn will drive into that ability and the 2h skill line. Or say you're about to complete a big quest and have ambush slotted, but it's maxed. Feel free to throw snipe into the slot then turn in the quest, so that xp funnels to bow and snipe. When I need to level a toon's lines and abilities, I usually create a grind bar w three solid attacks and three skills that need help, then run some dungeons or something.

When you get to level 50 as a stamblade, a good goal is to have class skills to 50, and also dual, 2h and bow, and medium and heavy armor. Fighters guild to 10 (do dolmens). Assault/support to 6 for vigor and caltrops.

And remember, an ultimate levels that class line...that can also be the one class skill on your bar.

Gear: Sets are VERY POWERFUL. Wearing complete armor sets will double your performance, especially at low levels. You have 12 slots...7 armor, 3 jewelry and 1-2 weapons. So you should wear a combo of sets to max the buffs. That's a big part of ESO, pvp or pve.

You have a couple of options:

1. Wear a drop set. These fall in specific zones, with jewelry dropping in dolmen chests and the other pieces from delves bosses, world bosses, etc. The drops will be your level. Look up a stam set (doesn't really matter which one) then grind dolmens in that zone for the jewelry. Once you get that, find two other pieces. Then supplement with a craft set. You need to work dolmens anyway, so...
2. Wear two craft sets in a 5/4 config, then throw on whatever jewelry set you can find from dolmens. I like this because it's easier. Research 2 traits on armor and weapon pieces you wear.. this should be very easy to complete. Then craft yourself Night Silence and Ashen Grip armor. These are stam sets that require very little crafting knowledge. If you like making your own gear, continue researching to six traits, which offers some great stam sets.

Abilities: Let's not lock you into the five meta abilities just yet because you should learn way more. And experiment. As a general rule, stam based damage abilities are your friend. Magic abilities for support stuff. Here's a list of useful abilities for a stamblade, pve and pvp:

Killers blade - use on enemies under 25% health and BAM
Ambush
Mirage - first example of a magic dump that grants very useful buff
Piercing mark - another mag ability, very useful in pvp. Keeps enemies from hiding, and gives huge heal when you kill a marked target. Learning this in pve will give you great sustain.
Relentless focus - hard to master, but a great ability

Cloak
Surprise attack
Mass hysteria - a magic dump. Fears enemies but they have to be right on top of you. Learn to use in pve, then many use in pvp.

Siphoning attacks - makes your attacks return stam and magic. Waaaaaay helpful in long battles. Again, master in pvp then decide if you need in pvp. Consider stacking this w relentless focus...activate both, do foir light attacks for the regen, then unleash focus's special bow. This combo allows you to regen and keep dps up, but takes practice.
Power extraction - a useful source of major brutality, but better in pve mobs. Most pvpers move to 2h's rally for MB.

Dual: these are all good abilities, honestly. A stamblade should learn them all. Whirling blades helps discover hidden enemies in pvp. Slashesmand bloodthirst are good. In pve I love shrouded daggers...mine hits three time for 11k, 12k, 14k, great range dps.

Bow: poison inject and snipe are good for all content. Arrow barrage is often used in pvp and is about to get stronger. Spray is very helpful for me in pve.

Shuffle: in medium armor. Very helpful in pvp for sneak toons.

Camo hunter: stamblade khajit tend to be crit builds. This offers a massive crit buff by slotting it. If you want to crit more, using a space for this is the first and biggest opportunity.

Trap beast: some amazing players like alcast use this a lot. You're an assassin...consider laying traps. Like someone is coming up in a tower I'm in. I lay a trap and pull my bow heavy attack. They hit the trap, them heavy attack then poison inject. That's a good start to a gank.

Good ultimates:

Incapacitating strikes is the stamina morph (disease damage). It will hit 5x harder than soul harvest for you. But it's still not that powerful...it's a dirt cheap ultimate designed to use often.

Soul harvest for stamblades: each kill generates 7 ultimate...wow. So a strategy here is to slot this on your attack bar, then pick a powerful attack ulti on your back bar. Soul harvest will allow you to set the other one off over and over and over and over...

Bolstering/Veil of Blades: good defense ultis. I used these a lot at low levels, then most players retire them. But for tough boss fights when you're young, they're awesome.

Soul tether: a bit of a waste on a stamblade...but you might use for a while, particularly to level the skill line. And it's a good health restore in a tough boss fight.

Flawless dawnbreaker: a favorite of stamblades. It does physical damage so it hits hard, and slotting it on your attack bar increases your weapon damage by 5%. You need to go close a bunch of dolmens...but they're great leveling anyway, so make a point of visiting and closing them all at least once.

Weapon ultis: these are all great, and it's annoying you have to wait so long for them. The best for you will be the dual,wield. It hits HARD (29k physical damage to each enemy hit) and it heals for half of that. It's awesome.

Sorry for the info dump. Like I said, I'm on a sick day and ESO posts are less boring than reruns, lol.

Darnathian · January 2017

Easy. Port to Greenshade. Verrant Moss wayshrine. Grind zombies till level 50 cp 160. Then go do quests. Proffit

NocturnalGuideMe · January 2017

davey1107 wrote: »

I'm on a sick day, so I can address some of that.

Spending points: you should freely spend on all passives in your class skills, weapons you use, medium armor, first three passives in heavy, some fighters. Don't worry...with One Tam all the shards and public dungeons are open for you, spend points freely and go grab some more when low. You won't run out, especially if also running the faction quest line.

Tip: as a stamblade who wants to pvp, do NOT ignore improved hiding in legerdemain. Sneaking at 40% less stam cost in pvp is veeeeeeeery helpful. This is a bit of a grind, but not too bad. Spend one point in trafficker to allow 220 fence transactions a day. Find a route to safely steal from containers. I run the Inn complex in Orsinium...it's a long path with barely any NPCs. That nets me 180ish fence items per trip. Ten runs (spread out on different days) or so and you're at ledger 16 and able to max the sneak passive. Also, this higher leger will return more valuable items from stealing and chests. The other option is to become a pickpocketing khajit and run thieves guild repeatable quests from Hews...might as well level thieves, leger and earn coin all at once.

Grinding skills: as a low level, definitely keep rotating your skills to work up your lines. Keep one class skill from each line on your bar...

Thanks a million for all that info. i respeced and i have few skill points leftover from morphs i didnt need, so ill be playing some of these suggestions till i level up to the better options.

i guess i really didnt know as much as i thought i did haha

kadar · February 2017

NocturnalGuideMe wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

NocturnalGuideMe wrote: »

Currently working on a build, tried to take it PvP last night and got wrecked. Bow seemed to be the only thing that saved me. Does anyone have advice for a true assassin i n Cyrodil or can it just not be done?

Works okay in PvE. I may have to rethink my virtual life choices of killing the innocent all for the profit of a few measly Septims...

@NocturnalGuideMe
Being level 27, stick to the non-vet PVP campaign, or at least the no-CP campaign.

Being a Stamina NB, you'll want to invest all points into Stamina. If you're health is too low, buff it with food (Max Health + Max Stamina ideally), or maybe a few attribute points into health. Attribute points are really inexpensive to change later. Consider Magicka your buff/utility resource pool.

Don't run both Surprise Attack and Rapid Strikes. They are both single target spam-able abilities and you don't need 2. I would choose Surprise Attack as it has superior burst and farrrrrr superior secondary effects. Oh, and don't be confused by the name: Surprise Attack is just as effectively used out of stealth in open melee combat as it is from sneak. I think it's name more refers to the speed of it's animation than it's intended function.

Remorph Lotus fan to Ambush. This can be done cheaply at the shrine in your factions capital city.

Drop funnel health. Like Lotus fan, that ability scales off of Magicka and since you have little to none, it won't do very much damage as you get more powerful.

What server, platform, alliance are you?

@The_Outsider
This. Very well said and helpful as well. thank you.

im going to respec my morphs and attributes now. i think im going to drop funnel health all together then and put the 2 points elsewhere? Agony or something? What is your advice on that?

Im on Xbox One North America sever. Aldemeri Dominion

Sorry for late reply @NocturnalGuideMe

I wouldn't recommend Agony for a Stamina build. The damage will be very low (because it scales off max magicka and spell damage, of which you will have very little), and if you're looking for CC I'd suggest Mass Hysteria (morph of aspect of terror). Commonly known as "fear," this ability will CC your target even if they are blocking as well has having a few other secondary effects.

It looks like you've updated your build a bit and it's starting to come together. From here, I'd recommend learning to play without the same abilities on both bars. As of now, that will free up 2 ability slots for other skills.

PS: BUMMER, I'm on PC NA.

NocturnalGuideMe · February 2017

@The_Outsider
yeah i updated the build page as im going along.

im learning to really play with the Stamina assassin abilities well and im dying less, which is always good.

i still feel like my builds weakness is lack of health and so my ultimate that were there to save me, i sacrificed for Veil Of Blades, which i feel is kind of lack luster since it casts on a fixed spot and im playing a very agile fighter type. (poke, poke, roll away, poke, poke, repeat)

same for the bow but at least i keep Soul Harvest to farm ulitmate for the main bar for now. im just going to keep grinding until i get to try out Lacerate/Rend and Flawless Dawnbreaker. see which i like better.

currently my bars look like this:
DW= Surprise Attack, Killers Blade, Steel Tornado (mainly for leveling DW and group crowd control spam), Shadowy Disguise, Ambush, Ulti: Veil of blades

Bow: Poison Injection, Silver Bolts (to grind dawnbreaker, and i dont like either morph so i didnt bother wasting a point), Acid Spray, Summon Shade, Surprise Attack (this is where i may have a spot to be supplemented with somethign else, Suggestions?), Ulti: Soul Harvest (also optional placeholder for now till play around with more strategy)

what do you think?

kadar · February 2017

Bow: Poison Injection, Silver Bolts (to grind dawnbreaker, and i dont like either morph so i didnt bother wasting a point), Acid Spray, Summon Shade, Surprise Attack (this is where i may have a spot to be supplemented with somethign else, Suggestions?), Ulti: Soul Harvest (also optional placeholder for now till play around with more strategy)

what do you think?

Cool beans. Well first, having Silver Bolts on your bar doesn't actually level Fighter's Guild! Guild level increases by killing Undead/Daedra/zombies/vampires ect. and destroying Dark Anchors! For this reason many people prefer grind spots that have those type of mobs so they can kill 2 birds w/ 1 grind spot.

And ya, I'd replace that surprise attack on your bow bar with something else. Eventually (if you don't have it already) you'll likely need to put Vigor in this slot, simply because nothing else will give you that much healing power. Until you get it, you could play around w/ Draining Shot (morph of scatter shot), it's got a fun CC effect with an associated heal. Either that or one of the Major Evasion buff skills: Blur (NB skill) or Shuffle (medium armor skill). My tanky NB uses Mirage (morph of blur) it's a Magicka dump, increases my resistances making me tankier, and passively dodges. Double Take (other morph of blur) grants you move speed in/out of stealth and Shuffle will provide you with much needed snare/root immunity.

NocturnalGuideMe · February 2017

@The_Outsider
ahhhh well i see.

hmm yeah maybe ill replace Surprise Attack back with Shadowy Disguise or Blur. for my magicka dump on that bar. and if nothing else, just to make myself that much harder to hit.

shuffle seems like a good idea too maybe. keep myself super mobile while wielding a bow or switching between bars.

i was looking at Magnum Shot instead of Draining Shot

and no i dont have Vigor yet, thats an Assault skill, yeah?

kadar · February 2017

Yep, Assault.

NocturnalGuideMe · February 2017

@The_Outsider awesome thanks for the advice!

Skinzz · February 2017

My only advice... play in black water since you have no cp and below level 50

NocturnalGuideMe · February 2017

xskinzcity wrote: »

My only advice... play in black water since you have no cp and below level 50

i was just there! my alliance is losing badly and i wasnt feeling it. lol

im stuck on story mode, nvm PvP. idk whats going on with my charcter but hes weak as ***.