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Battleground Rewards
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Currently in ESO when you play in Cyrodill you are rewarded with AP which is used to purchase items which are relevant to PvP (Foward Camps, Siege, etc.), and you buy gear which is Cyrodill oriented (Cyrodiil's Light, Hawk's Eye, Ravager, etc.). In addition you randomly earn gear through mail (Vicious Death, Leki's, Fasalla's, etc). A few pieces of gear can have applications in PvE (Arch-Mage, Morag Tong, etc.), albeit they won't be best in slot.
When you do Trials you earn gear which is relevant to PvE (Moondancer, Vicious, Footman's, etc.). And in some cases a few sets can have applications in PvP (Healing Mage, Serpent, etc.).
Dungeons, VMA, DSA, and Zone-Items benefit PvE and PvP equally (Amberplasm, Mother's Sorrow, Viper, Briarheart, Rattlecage, Ebon, VMA/DSA weapons) and are pretty accesible. Monster Helms are also varied and can be used in both settings (Bloodspawn, Grothdarr, Velidreth, Malubeth, etc).
So when Battlegrounds are released this summer, the rewards participants recieve should be centered towards 4v4v4s. Gear sets which reward synergies, small group tactics, and reduction of player damage or increase damage in Arenas should be present. HOWEVER it should not be mandatory. For example, Julianos is primarily a PvE DPS Set but it is still good in Cyrodill. Kagrenacs which is PvP oriented is better, but not by a wide margin. The same should hold true for BG sets. They should offer gear sets which gives advantages in Arenas to reward us, but they shouldn't outshine non-BG sets by a huge margin. Noticable, but not game-changing in short.
Some BG sets should also have applications in Cyrodill or PvE just like how I mentioned earlier with Trial sets and Cyrodiil sets. This evens it out and gives player incentive to try out the new content.
To separate BGs from Cyrodill, AP shouldn't be used. Instead a new currency should be implemented. This prevents 24-man ball zergs in Cyrodiil to buy out the best BG sets without putting in any work.
The new currency can be like tel var where you can buy random bags which a chance for rewards, gear, skins, mats, housing items, etc.
Just thought that the earlier we input data, the better the chance for the devs to implement changes/ idea.
When you do Trials you earn gear which is relevant to PvE (Moondancer, Vicious, Footman's, etc.). And in some cases a few sets can have applications in PvP (Healing Mage, Serpent, etc.).
Dungeons, VMA, DSA, and Zone-Items benefit PvE and PvP equally (Amberplasm, Mother's Sorrow, Viper, Briarheart, Rattlecage, Ebon, VMA/DSA weapons) and are pretty accesible. Monster Helms are also varied and can be used in both settings (Bloodspawn, Grothdarr, Velidreth, Malubeth, etc).
So when Battlegrounds are released this summer, the rewards participants recieve should be centered towards 4v4v4s. Gear sets which reward synergies, small group tactics, and reduction of player damage or increase damage in Arenas should be present. HOWEVER it should not be mandatory. For example, Julianos is primarily a PvE DPS Set but it is still good in Cyrodill. Kagrenacs which is PvP oriented is better, but not by a wide margin. The same should hold true for BG sets. They should offer gear sets which gives advantages in Arenas to reward us, but they shouldn't outshine non-BG sets by a huge margin. Noticable, but not game-changing in short.
Some BG sets should also have applications in Cyrodill or PvE just like how I mentioned earlier with Trial sets and Cyrodiil sets. This evens it out and gives player incentive to try out the new content.
To separate BGs from Cyrodill, AP shouldn't be used. Instead a new currency should be implemented. This prevents 24-man ball zergs in Cyrodiil to buy out the best BG sets without putting in any work.
The new currency can be like tel var where you can buy random bags which a chance for rewards, gear, skins, mats, housing items, etc.
Just thought that the earlier we input data, the better the chance for the devs to implement changes/ idea.
'The gods can turn anything to good' -Martin Septim
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makeumrage✭✭✭Naw I want rewards to drop there that work for every mode. Not just the battlegrounds. Just like those awesome overland sets wreck face in PvP. I want you PvErs to have to learn to PvP to get yourselfs an awesome BiS armor set for trials. Feel my dang pain of only coming into PvE to farm. Sitting in one dungeon for weeks. So annoying. I just wanna kill things! Hope they make you feel my paiiiiin lol. Also Julianos isnt performing well at all these days in PvP. Not many critt builds these days due to heavy impen being everywhere.5 -
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✭✭✭✭makeumrage wrote: »Naw I want rewards to drop there that work for every mode. Not just the battlegrounds. Just like those awesome overland sets wreck face in PvP. I want you PvErs to have to learn to PvP to get yourselfs an awesome BiS armor set for trials. Feel my dang pain of only coming into PvE to farm. Sitting in one dungeon for weeks. So annoying. I just wanna kill things! Hope they make you feel my paiiiiin lol. Also Julianos isnt performing well at all these days in PvP. Not many critt builds these days due to heavy impen being everywhere.
Just so we are clear, the only way to effectively burst a heavy armor user without ult or procs is with crits.1 -
makeumrage✭✭✭makeumrage wrote: »Naw I want rewards to drop there that work for every mode. Not just the battlegrounds. Just like those awesome overland sets wreck face in PvP. I want you PvErs to have to learn to PvP to get yourselfs an awesome BiS armor set for trials. Feel my dang pain of only coming into PvE to farm. Sitting in one dungeon for weeks. So annoying. I just wanna kill things! Hope they make you feel my paiiiiin lol. Also Julianos isnt performing well at all these days in PvP. Not many critt builds these days due to heavy impen being everywhere.
Just so we are clear, the only way to effectively burst a heavy armor user without ult or procs is with crits.
Just so your clear, that heavy user is wearing impen so your critts arent poop. You burst them yes, but by using penetration sets like spriggans and spinners to melt through that armor or well timed ccs and utilities keep them from doing anything. I laugh at your critts and destory you once your drained as you do no damage, lollz
Also feel its important here to note im on console. As gameplay and the sets we wear seem to be alot different in alot of cases. We dont roll critt anymore these days and wreck face to those who still try that cant keep up. Its alllllll penetration.
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Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭makeumrage wrote: »makeumrage wrote: »Naw I want rewards to drop there that work for every mode. Not just the battlegrounds. Just like those awesome overland sets wreck face in PvP. I want you PvErs to have to learn to PvP to get yourselfs an awesome BiS armor set for trials. Feel my dang pain of only coming into PvE to farm. Sitting in one dungeon for weeks. So annoying. I just wanna kill things! Hope they make you feel my paiiiiin lol. Also Julianos isnt performing well at all these days in PvP. Not many critt builds these days due to heavy impen being everywhere.
Just so we are clear, the only way to effectively burst a heavy armor user without ult or procs is with crits.
Just so your clear, that heavy user is wearing impen so your critts arent poop. You burst them yes, but by using penetration sets like spriggans and spinners to melt through that armor or well timed ccs and utilities keep them from doing anything. I laugh at your critts and destory you once your drained as you do no damage, lollz
Also feel its important here to note im on console. As gameplay and the sets we wear seem to be alot different in alot of cases. We dont roll critt anymore these days and wreck face to those who still try that cant keep up. Its alllllll penetration.
That's not how math works. All classes get +50% CHD without any other modifiers. That isn't even all mitigated by 3500 impen(which requires transmutation to reach) much less anything over 50%. Since NB and templar get 60% from class passives and everyone has elfborn and access to shadow stone...
You're wrong, but that was a cute try. Combining Pen+Crits is great thoughEdited by Lexxypwns on 1 February 2017 01:090 -
makeumrage✭✭✭
Well sir im not a pc master race so ill take your word for it. We dont have shiney addons and we dont do this "math" thing you speak of. But i do stand to the fact that most players on the console are scrapping there critts for pen to negate the heavy impen. If your on xbox we can do some testing!makeumrage wrote: »makeumrage wrote: »Naw I want rewards to drop there that work for every mode. Not just the battlegrounds. Just like those awesome overland sets wreck face in PvP. I want you PvErs to have to learn to PvP to get yourselfs an awesome BiS armor set for trials. Feel my dang pain of only coming into PvE to farm. Sitting in one dungeon for weeks. So annoying. I just wanna kill things! Hope they make you feel my paiiiiin lol. Also Julianos isnt performing well at all these days in PvP. Not many critt builds these days due to heavy impen being everywhere.
Just so we are clear, the only way to effectively burst a heavy armor user without ult or procs is with crits.
Just so your clear, that heavy user is wearing impen so your critts arent poop. You burst them yes, but by using penetration sets like spriggans and spinners to melt through that armor or well timed ccs and utilities keep them from doing anything. I laugh at your critts and destory you once your drained as you do no damage, lollz
Also feel its important here to note im on console. As gameplay and the sets we wear seem to be alot different in alot of cases. We dont roll critt anymore these days and wreck face to those who still try that cant keep up. Its alllllll penetration.
That's not how math works. All classes get 50% CHD without any other modifiers. That isn't even all mitigated by 3500 impen(which requires transmutation to reach) much less anything over 50%. Since NB and templar get 60% from class passives and everyone has elfborn and access to shadow stone...
You're wrong, but that was a cute try. Combining Pen+Crits is great though
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✭✭✭✭makeumrage wrote: »
Well sir im not a pc master race so ill take your word for it. We dont have shiney addons and we dont do this "math" thing you speak of. But i do stand to the fact that most players on the console are scrapping there critts for pen to negate the heavy impen. If your on xbox we can do some testing!makeumrage wrote: »makeumrage wrote: »Naw I want rewards to drop there that work for every mode. Not just the battlegrounds. Just like those awesome overland sets wreck face in PvP. I want you PvErs to have to learn to PvP to get yourselfs an awesome BiS armor set for trials. Feel my dang pain of only coming into PvE to farm. Sitting in one dungeon for weeks. So annoying. I just wanna kill things! Hope they make you feel my paiiiiin lol. Also Julianos isnt performing well at all these days in PvP. Not many critt builds these days due to heavy impen being everywhere.
Just so we are clear, the only way to effectively burst a heavy armor user without ult or procs is with crits.
Just so your clear, that heavy user is wearing impen so your critts arent poop. You burst them yes, but by using penetration sets like spriggans and spinners to melt through that armor or well timed ccs and utilities keep them from doing anything. I laugh at your critts and destory you once your drained as you do no damage, lollz
Also feel its important here to note im on console. As gameplay and the sets we wear seem to be alot different in alot of cases. We dont roll critt anymore these days and wreck face to those who still try that cant keep up. Its alllllll penetration.
That's not how math works. All classes get 50% CHD without any other modifiers. That isn't even all mitigated by 3500 impen(which requires transmutation to reach) much less anything over 50%. Since NB and templar get 60% from class passives and everyone has elfborn and access to shadow stone...
You're wrong, but that was a cute try. Combining Pen+Crits is great though
I am on xbox.
I promise you, if you switch from stacking base damage+pen to stacking crits+pen you'll have more burst. Furthermore, I personally prefer stacking Base damage+crits because I run light armor + destro and that's all the native penetration you need anyway(with sharpened weapons, obviously)0 -
makeumrage✭✭✭Gt- Makeum Rage
Add me and lets get some friendly testing duels in!
Also, quite misleading... the name of my guild is show us your critts lmao.Edited by makeumrage on 1 February 2017 01:240 -
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✭As somebody who is very, very hyped for battlegrounds, I'd rather we keep it from becoming a gear grind. Keep the rewards cosmetic and generic, as in alchemy reagants, crafting materials, etc. Stuff that the people who do battlegrounds can sell to help pay for potions and use to upgrade the gear they already own, and then cosmetic stuff to show off.ＦＯＲＵＭＰＬＡＲ
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✭✭✭✭✭makeumrage wrote: »
Well sir im not a pc master race so ill take your word for it. We dont have shiney addons and we dont do this "math" thing you speak of. But i do stand to the fact that most players on the console are scrapping there critts for pen to negate the heavy impen. If your on xbox we can do some testing!makeumrage wrote: »makeumrage wrote: »Naw I want rewards to drop there that work for every mode. Not just the battlegrounds. Just like those awesome overland sets wreck face in PvP. I want you PvErs to have to learn to PvP to get yourselfs an awesome BiS armor set for trials. Feel my dang pain of only coming into PvE to farm. Sitting in one dungeon for weeks. So annoying. I just wanna kill things! Hope they make you feel my paiiiiin lol. Also Julianos isnt performing well at all these days in PvP. Not many critt builds these days due to heavy impen being everywhere.
Just so we are clear, the only way to effectively burst a heavy armor user without ult or procs is with crits.
Just so your clear, that heavy user is wearing impen so your critts arent poop. You burst them yes, but by using penetration sets like spriggans and spinners to melt through that armor or well timed ccs and utilities keep them from doing anything. I laugh at your critts and destory you once your drained as you do no damage, lollz
Also feel its important here to note im on console. As gameplay and the sets we wear seem to be alot different in alot of cases. We dont roll critt anymore these days and wreck face to those who still try that cant keep up. Its alllllll penetration.
That's not how math works. All classes get 50% CHD without any other modifiers. That isn't even all mitigated by 3500 impen(which requires transmutation to reach) much less anything over 50%. Since NB and templar get 60% from class passives and everyone has elfborn and access to shadow stone...
You're wrong, but that was a cute try. Combining Pen+Crits is great though
I am on xbox.
I promise you, if you switch from stacking base damage+pen to stacking crits+pen you'll have more burst. Furthermore, I personally prefer stacking Base damage+crits because I run light armor + destro and that's all the native penetration you need anyway(with sharpened weapons, obviously)
The hard-counter to which is wards.
On xbox if I wanted to change to counter the meta, I'd change based on location0 -
makeumrage✭✭✭arkansas_ESO wrote: »As somebody who is very, very hyped for battlegrounds, I'd rather we keep it from becoming a gear grind. Keep the rewards cosmetic and generic, as in alchemy reagants, crafting materials, etc. Stuff that the people who do battlegrounds can sell to help pay for potions and use to upgrade the gear they already own, and then cosmetic stuff to show off.
Thatd be cool too. But how would I see bitter revenge on PvErs? So not fair i get forced in there for BiS gear and they only have to spend 3 or 4 hours to get vigor an dip? They need to feel the paiin man.0 -
Lifecode666✭✭✭What needs to happen is:
1. Balance.
2. A vendor that gives you a starter pack of items that can be used in Battlegrounds. No other items can be used in the match.
3. If you win you get tokens, if you loose you get less tokens.
4. Pvp lvl's. when you ding you can purchase new items with tokens.
Everything else will fail.
Sign up with x4 reactive transmutation magica templars.... whatcha gonna do?Up the hornz0 -
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✭arkansas_ESO wrote: »As somebody who is very, very hyped for battlegrounds, I'd rather we keep it from becoming a gear grind. Keep the rewards cosmetic and generic, as in alchemy reagants, crafting materials, etc. Stuff that the people who do battlegrounds can sell to help pay for potions and use to upgrade the gear they already own, and then cosmetic stuff to show off.
This percisely. The ones who wanted smallscale, got it. lets not lock BiS PvP gear behind small scale. This was game was advertised as AvAvA. Keep true to the core.
Btw- I am a small scale 1vX player1 -
Thelrox✭I foresee that we'll get none such things. You'll get AP and "Rewards of the worthy" mails.
Xbox One Gamertag: CNT Thelrox - Ebonheart Pact - Scourge0 -
Sheuib✭✭✭✭Lifecode666 wrote: »What needs to happen is:
1. Balance.
2. A vendor that gives you a starter pack of items that can be used in Battlegrounds. No other items can be used in the match.
3. If you win you get tokens, if you loose you get less tokens.
4. Pvp lvl's. when you ding you can purchase new items with tokens.
Everything else will fail.
Sign up with x4 reactive transmutation magica templars.... whatcha gonna do?
So you want all the time people spent building a character to go to waist. On top of that you want everyone to start with the same build and only be limited to builds allowed by what they can get through battlegrounds.
Just no. I'm not giving up the build that I have been developing since launch. I may make changes just for battlegrounds but that should be my decision.1
