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PTS Feedback Thread for Dragonknight Balance Improvements
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Anti_Virus✭✭✭✭✭
✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Any chance one of Lava Whips morphs get turned into a Stamina version?
Poisoned Whip?
Diseased Whip?
...maybe please?
Stam dk really doesn't need a buff xD
@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you nerf the embers heal finally? Now that you've give mag dk a decent heal? Half the embers heal to what it used to be.
How is this a buff? Its merely a change for convince so that we don't have to Dizzying swing spam all day.
If NBs can get Suprise Attack, Templars can get bitting jabs then I see no reason why sDK can't get a stam whip.
Dk's get dots.
Stamplar get a stam channel
Nb's an instant stam attack.
Not every class needs to be the same, dk's aren't in need of a whip.Anti_Virus wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Any chance one of Lava Whips morphs get turned into a Stamina version?
Poisoned Whip?
Diseased Whip?
...maybe please?
Stam dk really doesn't need a buff xD
@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you nerf the embers heal finally? Now that you've give mag dk a decent heal? Half the embers heal to what it used to be.
How is this a buff? Its merely a change for convince so that we don't have to Dizzying swing spam all day.
If NBs can get Suprise Attack, Templars can get bitting jabs then I see no reason why sDK can't get a stam whip.
Yup, Im f'ing tired of being a generic stam build as a DK with only a couple class abilities slotted. Whatever though, in less than 24 hours Ill be respecced as a mag dk and start the gear farm all over again.
You have plenty of options.
Dot build with dw
S&b build
2h build
Heavy ganking build with bow.
Etc....
You have dots, wings, igneous, volatile etc.... , hardest hitting physical ult in the game.
You didnt refute by point, I run 2h/sb pvp and dw/bow pve - that FACT remains most abilities slotted are not class ones.
Then go magicka DK if you want to whip people. Stam has FOUR weapon lines to choose abilities from. Magicka has ONE. (Two if you count resto.). Class abilities shouldn't be half and half because stamina already has more options.
I wish I had other options but all I see is DW build for BOTH magicka and Stamina.
WAIT I thought magicka builds didn't have options...Power Wealth And Influence.0 -
Stamden✭✭✭✭✭
✭Anti_Virus wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Any chance one of Lava Whips morphs get turned into a Stamina version?
Poisoned Whip?
Diseased Whip?
...maybe please?
Stam dk really doesn't need a buff xD
@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you nerf the embers heal finally? Now that you've give mag dk a decent heal? Half the embers heal to what it used to be.
How is this a buff? Its merely a change for convince so that we don't have to Dizzying swing spam all day.
If NBs can get Suprise Attack, Templars can get bitting jabs then I see no reason why sDK can't get a stam whip.
Dk's get dots.
Stamplar get a stam channel
Nb's an instant stam attack.
Not every class needs to be the same, dk's aren't in need of a whip.Anti_Virus wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Any chance one of Lava Whips morphs get turned into a Stamina version?
Poisoned Whip?
Diseased Whip?
...maybe please?
Stam dk really doesn't need a buff xD
@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you nerf the embers heal finally? Now that you've give mag dk a decent heal? Half the embers heal to what it used to be.
How is this a buff? Its merely a change for convince so that we don't have to Dizzying swing spam all day.
If NBs can get Suprise Attack, Templars can get bitting jabs then I see no reason why sDK can't get a stam whip.
Yup, Im f'ing tired of being a generic stam build as a DK with only a couple class abilities slotted. Whatever though, in less than 24 hours Ill be respecced as a mag dk and start the gear farm all over again.
You have plenty of options.
Dot build with dw
S&b build
2h build
Heavy ganking build with bow.
Etc....
You have dots, wings, igneous, volatile etc.... , hardest hitting physical ult in the game.
False its DBOS.
No Stam DK is using Wings try again
NO stam DK is using Noxius breath try again
NO stam DK is using DW try again
Try try again.
It's @leepalmer95, you're resident DK hater. Just try to ignore him. He's either a troll or trying to apply for a dev position at Zenimax.
Edited by Stamden on 7 February 2017 13:15PC NA
~Currently taking a break from the game until my DK can become something more than just a crafter~4 -
Anti_Virus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Anti_Virus wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Any chance one of Lava Whips morphs get turned into a Stamina version?
Poisoned Whip?
Diseased Whip?
...maybe please?
Stam dk really doesn't need a buff xD
@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you nerf the embers heal finally? Now that you've give mag dk a decent heal? Half the embers heal to what it used to be.
How is this a buff? Its merely a change for convince so that we don't have to Dizzying swing spam all day.
If NBs can get Suprise Attack, Templars can get bitting jabs then I see no reason why sDK can't get a stam whip.
Dk's get dots.
Stamplar get a stam channel
Nb's an instant stam attack.
Not every class needs to be the same, dk's aren't in need of a whip.Anti_Virus wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Any chance one of Lava Whips morphs get turned into a Stamina version?
Poisoned Whip?
Diseased Whip?
...maybe please?
Stam dk really doesn't need a buff xD
@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you nerf the embers heal finally? Now that you've give mag dk a decent heal? Half the embers heal to what it used to be.
How is this a buff? Its merely a change for convince so that we don't have to Dizzying swing spam all day.
If NBs can get Suprise Attack, Templars can get bitting jabs then I see no reason why sDK can't get a stam whip.
Yup, Im f'ing tired of being a generic stam build as a DK with only a couple class abilities slotted. Whatever though, in less than 24 hours Ill be respecced as a mag dk and start the gear farm all over again.
You have plenty of options.
Dot build with dw
S&b build
2h build
Heavy ganking build with bow.
Etc....
You have dots, wings, igneous, volatile etc.... , hardest hitting physical ult in the game.
False its DBOS.
No Stam DK is using Wings try again
NO stam DK is using Noxius breath try again
NO stam DK is using DW try again
Try try again.
It's @leepalmer95, you're resident DK hater. Just try to ignore him. He's either a troll or trying to apply for a dev position at Zenimax.
I know he thinks he knows everything about this game and beleives he's always right, sometimea he will challange the devs that makes this game, way to narcissistic.Power Wealth And Influence.0 -
BlackMadara✭✭✭✭Anti_Virus wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Any chance one of Lava Whips morphs get turned into a Stamina version?
Poisoned Whip?
Diseased Whip?
...maybe please?
Stam dk really doesn't need a buff xD
@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you nerf the embers heal finally? Now that you've give mag dk a decent heal? Half the embers heal to what it used to be.
How is this a buff? Its merely a change for convince so that we don't have to Dizzying swing spam all day.
If NBs can get Suprise Attack, Templars can get bitting jabs then I see no reason why sDK can't get a stam whip.
Dk's get dots.
Stamplar get a stam channel
Nb's an instant stam attack.
Not every class needs to be the same, dk's aren't in need of a whip.Anti_Virus wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Any chance one of Lava Whips morphs get turned into a Stamina version?
Poisoned Whip?
Diseased Whip?
...maybe please?
Stam dk really doesn't need a buff xD
@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you nerf the embers heal finally? Now that you've give mag dk a decent heal? Half the embers heal to what it used to be.
How is this a buff? Its merely a change for convince so that we don't have to Dizzying swing spam all day.
If NBs can get Suprise Attack, Templars can get bitting jabs then I see no reason why sDK can't get a stam whip.
Yup, Im f'ing tired of being a generic stam build as a DK with only a couple class abilities slotted. Whatever though, in less than 24 hours Ill be respecced as a mag dk and start the gear farm all over again.
You have plenty of options.
Dot build with dw
S&b build
2h build
Heavy ganking build with bow.
Etc....
You have dots, wings, igneous, volatile etc.... , hardest hitting physical ult in the game.
False its DBOS.
No Stam DK is using Wings try again
NO stam DK is using Noxius breath try again
NO stam DK is using DW try again
Try try again.
Just because a certain build or set up isn't "meta" doesn't mean that it isn't used or viable. Meta for most pvp games is a popularity contest anyway, and there are a lot of people running around in non meta builds in eso.
Take flight hits harder for the first instance of damage, even with the instant dot tic of DBoS (unless hitting a werewolf or vamp). DBoS utility is higher imo.
I agree about wings
Noxious breath is used by many for armor debuff and aoe for NBs
I'm sure there are people that are running dw sDK. Is it the best? No, but it can work if played well.
@leepalmer95 has some controversial posts but you are letting your bias interfere.
I do agree that sDK is basically a template for stam weapon classes.
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✭✭I will say I use noxious breath in PvP not for it's debuff since it hardly works half the time or it's damage because it's terribly weak; I use it for finding stealth enemies. He is incredibly wrong when it comes to ultimates because DBoS hits higher, rend hits higher, onslaught hits higher, and arrow ulti hits higher.不動の Steadfast - Unwavering
XBL Gamer Tag - Maxwell
XB1 Maxwell Crystal - NA DC CP 800+ Redguard Stamina DK
XB1 Max Crystal - NA DC CP 800+ Brenton Magicka DK
PC Maxwell-Crystal - NA DC - CP 200+ Brenton Magicka DK 「Retired」Band Camp statements: To state "But this one time I saw X doing X... so that justifies X" Refers to the Band camp statement.
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Anti_Virus✭✭✭✭✭
✭BlackMadara wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Any chance one of Lava Whips morphs get turned into a Stamina version?
Poisoned Whip?
Diseased Whip?
...maybe please?
Stam dk really doesn't need a buff xD
@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you nerf the embers heal finally? Now that you've give mag dk a decent heal? Half the embers heal to what it used to be.
How is this a buff? Its merely a change for convince so that we don't have to Dizzying swing spam all day.
If NBs can get Suprise Attack, Templars can get bitting jabs then I see no reason why sDK can't get a stam whip.
Dk's get dots.
Stamplar get a stam channel
Nb's an instant stam attack.
Not every class needs to be the same, dk's aren't in need of a whip.Anti_Virus wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Any chance one of Lava Whips morphs get turned into a Stamina version?
Poisoned Whip?
Diseased Whip?
...maybe please?
Stam dk really doesn't need a buff xD
@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you nerf the embers heal finally? Now that you've give mag dk a decent heal? Half the embers heal to what it used to be.
How is this a buff? Its merely a change for convince so that we don't have to Dizzying swing spam all day.
If NBs can get Suprise Attack, Templars can get bitting jabs then I see no reason why sDK can't get a stam whip.
Yup, Im f'ing tired of being a generic stam build as a DK with only a couple class abilities slotted. Whatever though, in less than 24 hours Ill be respecced as a mag dk and start the gear farm all over again.
You have plenty of options.
Dot build with dw
S&b build
2h build
Heavy ganking build with bow.
Etc....
You have dots, wings, igneous, volatile etc.... , hardest hitting physical ult in the game.
False its DBOS.
No Stam DK is using Wings try again
NO stam DK is using Noxius breath try again
NO stam DK is using DW try again
Try try again.
Just because a certain build or set up isn't "meta" doesn't mean that it isn't used or viable. Meta for most pvp games is a popularity contest anyway, and there are a lot of people running around in non meta builds in eso.
Take flight hits harder for the first instance of damage, even with the instant dot tic of DBoS (unless hitting a werewolf or vamp). DBoS utility is higher imo.
I agree about wings
Noxious breath is used by many for armor debuff and aoe for NBs
I'm sure there are people that are running dw sDK. Is it the best? No, but it can work if played well.
@leepalmer95 has some controversial posts but you are letting your bias interfere.
I do agree that sDK is basically a template for stam weapon classes.
Well Noxious breath always misses for me for what ever reason, might be the game code.
If you Fight a vamp DBOS can hit really hard tho
As for DW since it has no gap closer, its tough to be melee unless you put a gap closer on back bar but then you have to bar swap a ton which is a burden on console.
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✭✭@BlackMadara
Mate if you want to change it to instant damage to better suit your narrative you're trying to drive then let me correct it again. Take flight is not and I repeat is not the hardest hitting physical ultimate in the game; Onslaught would be the hardest hitting ultimate. If you want to say "Well I mean over all instant damage no resistances in place, no DoTs after,etc" then yeah it would be but fundamentally it isn't.
Take flight doesn't ignore resistances but onslaught does so if I'm at 20k in Cyrodiil that will be 10k then multiply based on targets physical and subtract that value from the tooltip = what you would actually hit while if my tooltip for onslaught is 19k I will always hit 9.5k as it ignores resistances completely. DboS hits harder overall and has a higher tooltip thanks to it's DoTs while take flight may do immediate damage DboS has the immediate and the aftershock which is indeed damage.
Every physical weapon ultimate based on tooltip aside from onslaught (if we ignore it's special characteristics) hits harder than take flight. Take flight just isn't good especially when you have other ultimates in the game that benefit you way more than it would.
You can say "well I don't use 2H so onslaught wouldn't help me" well rend would outperform take flight immediately. That DoT is strong and on top of that it heals you even if that's halved it's still a heal that helps. Bow ultimate you either have to block or dodge but it still hits pretty hard.
Only time I ever used Take flight was when weapons ultimates weren't a thing and I was enjoying flying into keeps with my
on screaming "THUG LIFE" as I slammed into people with a look as if they saw a unicorn coming down on them. I also used it back when Emperor wasn't nerf'd those days were fun AF as I would take flight insta kill everyone. 不動の Steadfast - Unwavering
XBL Gamer Tag - Maxwell
XB1 Maxwell Crystal - NA DC CP 800+ Redguard Stamina DK
XB1 Max Crystal - NA DC CP 800+ Brenton Magicka DK
PC Maxwell-Crystal - NA DC - CP 200+ Brenton Magicka DK 「Retired」Band Camp statements: To state "But this one time I saw X doing X... so that justifies X" Refers to the Band camp statement.
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BlackMadara✭✭✭✭@MaxwellC I never said that Take Flight is the hardest hitting physical ult. I said that it hits harder than DBoS for the first instance of damage. So your statement for onslaught should be focused elsewhere.
I was arguing solely for the fact of instant burst damage for take flight vs DBoS. That's it. Didn't mention any other ults because that's not my subject in the post.
If you want to write so much about other things, tag the people you should focus your argument towards.0 -
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✭✭@BlackMadara
Sorry, I misinterpreted it as it seemed you were saying take flight hits harder and then went on to compare it to DBoS.不動の Steadfast - Unwavering
XBL Gamer Tag - Maxwell
XB1 Maxwell Crystal - NA DC CP 800+ Redguard Stamina DK
XB1 Max Crystal - NA DC CP 800+ Brenton Magicka DK
PC Maxwell-Crystal - NA DC - CP 200+ Brenton Magicka DK 「Retired」Band Camp statements: To state "But this one time I saw X doing X... so that justifies X" Refers to the Band camp statement.
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kookster✭✭✭✭I hope in the next release or heck even sooner you guys address some of the last few issues of magDK. Personally for me the 2 that annoy me the most is lack of sustain and lack of execute or just the ability to finish people off. With that in mind I would suggest the following:
For sustain one of the following:- Draw Essence: (First/Second) hit applies minor magicka steal to each target hit.
- Elder Dragon: You gain (2/4)% recovery for which ever stats max is the highest of your Stamina, Magicka, and Health.
- Ash Cloud: Also applies Minor Magicka steal to enemies.
For being able to finish people off/ hit harder:- Mountain's Blessing: Also gives Minor Sorcery.
- Searing Heat: Whenever you deal Damage with a Argent Flame ability to enemies under (15/25)% Health, They take an additional 25% more damage.
- Molten Whip: Deals up to 300% more damage against enemies with less than 50% Health.
These are some of my thoughts. I hope this gives you guys some ideas. PS I am not saying doing all of these, I think something like this would help address magDK's major flaws.
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Molag_Swag✭✭The mDK is in a comfortable spot, especially for dueling. Solo PvP and small scale (without a healer) is where it does not shine due to little self heals. I hope the new GDB is enough, might even have to slot that on the dps bar. Many players and I believe that a mDK needs some sort of execute. Due to low mobility we can't just chase enemies around trying to whip them to death, it's much too awkward and still lacks damage. When fighting nearly all stamina classes, they have the ability to pop a vigor, doge roll and rally back to full health. This is not a luxury that magic builds have. One way to combat this (for a mDK) would be to add execute damage to flames of oblivion. This skill is rarely used for regular PvP and only slotted for duels. It could be used while the enemy is rolling, running, or streaking away because of the range component on the ability. Please don't let this ability stay the same, I don't believe it should act like hurricane because that would add too much pressure as the mDK has no problem of keeping the pressure up. This skill barely does any damage in a duel and I would like to see it become viable again. I would also like to see major defile to combat the OP templar/vigor heals, we just don't have enough DPS to burst the permablocking BOL spammers down and fossilize is not effective like fear against them. If you cannot nerf them, at least allow more classes to combat them. Other than that, thank you for the new buffs! It is an awesome class, by far my favorite, and it is time to MAKE MAGICKA GREAT AGAIN. Let us effectively combat the stamina builds that have bursted and evaded us for far too long! Hope you read this ZoS, thanks for your time.0 -
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✭I hope in the next release or heck even sooner you guys address some of the last few issues of magDK. Personally for me the 2 that annoy me the most is lack of sustain and lack of execute or just the ability to finish people off. With that in mind I would suggest the following:
For sustain one of the following:- Draw Essence: (First/Second) hit applies minor magicka steal to each target hit.
- Elder Dragon: You gain (2/4)% recovery for which ever stats max is the highest of your Stamina, Magicka, and Health.
- Ash Cloud: Also applies Minor Magicka steal to enemies.
For being able to finish people off/ hit harder:- Mountain's Blessing: Also gives Minor Sorcery.
- Searing Heat: Whenever you deal Damage with a Argent Flame ability to enemies under (15/25)% Health, They take an additional 25% more damage.
- Molten Whip: Deals up to 300% more damage against enemies with less than 50% Health.
These are some of my thoughts. I hope this gives you guys some ideas. PS I am not saying doing all of these, I think something like this would help address magDK's major flaws.
Cheers
A straight up cost reduction on our extremely expensive skills would be better and easier to implement.
As far as executes go, the devs seem to want to avoid, giving DK's a execute in PvE for some reason. I think a good option would be to throw an execute on the 2nd proc of Flame Lash. This would only affect PvP.PC NA
~Currently taking a break from the game until my DK can become something more than just a crafter~0 -
kookster✭✭✭✭I hope in the next release or heck even sooner you guys address some of the last few issues of magDK. Personally for me the 2 that annoy me the most is lack of sustain and lack of execute or just the ability to finish people off. With that in mind I would suggest the following:
For sustain one of the following:- Draw Essence: (First/Second) hit applies minor magicka steal to each target hit.
- Elder Dragon: You gain (2/4)% recovery for which ever stats max is the highest of your Stamina, Magicka, and Health.
- Ash Cloud: Also applies Minor Magicka steal to enemies.
For being able to finish people off/ hit harder:- Mountain's Blessing: Also gives Minor Sorcery.
- Searing Heat: Whenever you deal Damage with a Argent Flame ability to enemies under (15/25)% Health, They take an additional 25% more damage.
- Molten Whip: Deals up to 300% more damage against enemies with less than 50% Health.
These are some of my thoughts. I hope this gives you guys some ideas. PS I am not saying doing all of these, I think something like this would help address magDK's major flaws.
Cheers
A straight up cost reduction on our extremely expensive skills would be better and easier to implement.
As far as executes go, the devs seem to want to avoid, giving DK's a execute in PvE for some reason. I think a good option would be to throw an execute on the 2nd proc of Flame Lash. This would only affect PvP.
I would be cool with those too.
CheersPotato Pact - PC NA0