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6000 crowns for the Dro M'athra motif? Are you kidding me?!?!?!?!
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*sigh* and of course those are the only 2 motifs I'm still trying to get pages for. I've farmed about half the pages of the Draugr motif so far, and I've only done a few of the Craglorn dailies that drop Yokudan, so I actually haven't got any pages for that yet.reapthetempestrwb17_ESO wrote: »Draugr is expensive, Yokudan is expensive.
Edit: oh, I forgot, I still need some pages of the Celestial motif too...Edited by UrQuan on 26 January 2017 21:45
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✭✭✭Prof_Bawbag wrote: »I'm glad that it's so expensive. Maybe it'll motivate players to actually go and earn it.
If ZOS want to sell motifs in the Crown Store then whatever, but I don't think they should do it with existing styles that people have already worked their arses off to acquire.
Yup, me doing nMOL and buying the rest for around 8-12k each was a real ball breaker. I have to go for a lie down now after all that tough graft.
To be honest if I could have found any priced at 8-12k I probably would have done the same.
Believe it or not, the best bargains are always had on a Sunday night after the vendors have been reset. That's when i do almost all my in-game motif shopping. A lot of guilds who haven't had a decent vendor or no vendor for a week or two tend to have a lot of listings from people who are obviously just wanting to offload their goods quickly because of the slow sales.1 -
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✭✭✭DigitalShibby wrote: »static_recharge wrote: »Absurd. If you want people to buy it, make it affordable.
Even if it cost 3000 crowns you'd have people saying its not affordable.. that part is all relative. 6000 crowns is affordable to me. It's hard to be mad about the price they set when you can get it in game without spending any $.
Also the steep crown price is good because I don't want to see everyone wearing that ugly motif lol
lol calm down Floyd Mayweather, Im pretty sure its "afforadable" for everyone here it just plain and simply isnt worth it6 -
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✭✭✭Riko_Futatabi wrote: »LOL I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THIS COMPANY
I've said this before and I'll say it again. It does not matter what great things the developers achieve, your marketing team will surely sully your reputation.
Please get it together and show your player base some respect.
You do realize the idea for crown crates came from Swtors Cartel market.
If you check the prices for the highest transaction they are exactly identical
5500 Crowns = 39.99 5500 Cartel coins = 39.99
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CombatPrayer✭✭✭✭I think celestial is the easiest to get. Join a trial guild that runs many trials during the week and weekend. Have multiple characters and keep running them. If you have 2 toons that is 6 motifs a week. Each toon is 3 motifs a week. The more toons you have that can do trials, the faster you get them. If the guild is good you can get through a trial in 30-45min.0 -
Kuroinu✭✭✭✭✭Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Riko_Futatabi wrote: »LOL I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THIS COMPANY
I've said this before and I'll say it again. It does not matter what great things the developers achieve, your marketing team will surely sully your reputation.
Please get it together and show your player base some respect.
You do realize the idea for crown crates came from Swtors Cartel market.
If you check the prices for the highest transaction they are exactly identical
5500 Crowns = 39.99 5500 Cartel coins = 39.99
I'm aware that certain marketing systems didn't originate in ESO. But this does not effect my point.1 -
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✭✭✭Riko_Futatabi wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Riko_Futatabi wrote: »LOL I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THIS COMPANY
I've said this before and I'll say it again. It does not matter what great things the developers achieve, your marketing team will surely sully your reputation.
Please get it together and show your player base some respect.
You do realize the idea for crown crates came from Swtors Cartel market.
If you check the prices for the highest transaction they are exactly identical
5500 Crowns = 39.99 5500 Cartel coins = 39.99
I'm aware that certain marketing systems didn't originate in ESO. But this does not effect my point.
I was getting at just blame Bioware that ESO even got into this crown store business and everything costs to much, but yet people still buy them.0 -
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@Sigtric Yet they are so vastly different. The SWTOR cash shop is infinitely better than ESO's. Now there's an understanding that most cash shops are awful for games. Remember all of the lies from Matt Firor at the pre-launch about how The Elder Scrolls IP is so strong that it sells itself? With that said there's nothing in the game in SWTOR that you can't buy for in-game gold. It has quite the flexibility that favors players. Want to spend your in game credits? Buy it with in-game credits. Want to buy it with actual currency? Buy it with actual currency.
Yeah, I've played both and spent money like mad in SWTOR.
"better" is relative though. The fact you could buy store items with cash and then sell them was extremely detrimental to the health of the economy in my opinion. The only way I could make enough credits in game to buy the stuff I wanted from the Auction house was to spend real life money to get random crates that probably didn't have what I wanted in it, and sell that stuff so I could get the cash shop items I did want. It was horrible.
@Sigtric Your bad experience is due to your inability to make credits in game. In SWTOR, I make a ton of credits selling crafting materials. I've never felt compelled to purchase anything off of their store because I could buy it in game with the credits I already have.
Well sure, that's what makes the experience relative.
That's only one aspect of their cash shop as well. The entire thing was designed to nickle and dime players for QoL improvements or even access to much needed UI features, and in many cases even as a subbed player you still had to obtain things from it in one way or another.
There's quite a few reasons that even as recent as within the last couple months, Massively and other gaming news and commentary sites are listing SWTORs cash shop as how NOT to do it.
I'm glad it worked for you.
You're ill informed then. You get all of the quality of life improvements included in your sub. Your hotbars, credit cap etc are all unlocked with a subscription. You can also buy those with in-game credits as well. I know... You didn't know that either.
Reading comprehension much?
I didn't say subs had to buy all the stuff you say the sub unlocked. All I said was even subbed there are still things to obtain that originate in the store.
On the buying for credits bit, Even if you buy, for example, A hot bar, someone still had to pay out of pocket for that from the shop before it could be put into the auction kiosk.
Admittedly there is much I probably don't know about it anymore as I stopped playing long ago and my brief returns here and there were just that, but I do remember what it did to the in game economy during the conversion into f2p and the next 4ish months after, and it is still widely regarded as a horrible business model.
Again, glad it worked for you, but I still don't like it and no amount of your I-know-you-dont peen swinging is going to change my opinion.
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Chaquinho89✭✭✭The funniest part is that it's such an ugly looking style, except for the staff and shield...
Either way, it's not my money, if people are buying it this way, it's because they want and have money for it.PC / NA.
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S1ipperyJim✭✭✭✭✭autumnsongbird wrote: »I think celestial is the easiest to get. Join a trial guild that runs many trials during the week and weekend. Have multiple characters and keep running them. If you have 2 toons that is 6 motifs a week. Each toon is 3 motifs a week. The more toons you have that can do trials, the faster you get them. If the guild is good you can get through a trial in 30-45min.
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✭✭I did two runs for 2 chapters. I bought the remaining chapters. Cost me 267887 gold. Not exactly cheap, but not outrageous either. I don't care what the crown store price is. But please excuse me if I snigger at those who pay it
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✭Wow! I feel so sorry for anyone that spends money on this! Makes me so sad how greedy they are getting! :-( I use to look forward to new crown store stuff but with the horrible prices I can't justify buying anything.They nerfed magsorcs so hard stamsorcs felt it,lol - Somber97866
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PurifedBladez✭✭✭✭✭Wow! I feel so sorry for anyone that spends money on this! Makes me so sad how greedy they are getting! :-( I use to look forward to new crown store stuff but with the horrible prices I can't justify buying anything.
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✭✭Stopnaggin wrote: »Here's a far out idea, try playing the game and getting the motif. Jesus help me, 6000 crowns for a motif that can be free just by playing.
Gotta love eso playerbase, put this in the store put that in the store, why are this and that so expensive? Gimme gimme gimmie, I need more.
News flash nothing in the crown store is needed to play the game.
^this.....
but hey, its the internet and people.
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Wow, I bought almost as many chapters as you, but I must have lucked out because I paid way less than that... I didn't start buying them until after the market was fairly saturated though, so that probably has a lot to do with it.Ourorboros wrote: »I did two runs for 2 chapters. I bought the remaining chapters. Cost me 267887 gold. Not exactly cheap, but not outrageous either. I don't care what the crown store price is. But please excuse me if I snigger at those who pay it .
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✭You can have this motif for free. They give you the option to buy it. If it was too cheap, the ones who spent several months farming it could really complain. DLC are something very important, it's content, so they're quite cheap, all the motifs (except two of them) can be obtain for free, so they're expensive. You don't need to buy it, they're made for lazy people with a lot of money to spend.PC - EU - France - AD
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✭autumnsongbird wrote: »Shad0wfire99 wrote: »Makes post about being angry over vMoL exploit being fixed. Makes new post wanting to buy skin with crowns. Interesting.
Try UNDERSTANDING WHY OP is angry.
PTS going live drives up motif prices to appox. 30k each. 20k is a bargain! vMoL if I understand it allowed people to farm the motifs like other motifs are farmed. I don't know because I did the trials and purchased them. But there are many people who don't have 30k gold x 14 to buy motifs and have zero interest in doing trials. Frankly, this whole thing is rotten to the core. Lots of the crafters I have known never went anywhere near a trial. They crafted. They did SP stuff. They farmed. But they love their motifs and were willing to by them. This price uptick from jerks buying them then selling them 50-300% of market rate is obscene. And ZOS knows it is happening because they MADE it happen.
Their actions are shameful at best and appalling at worst. Right now they are on the precipice. They are not smart enough to know it because they are too greedy. But this game is NOT the best MMO ever despite a few people labeling it that way and these kind of actions will kill it. I for one will laugh when that happens. They are ruining the game for people who were supportive of it, who got plus and even purchased crowns beyond that. Housing is shaping up to be the biggest, greediest cash grab ever. They pitched it as 'we know you really want this so we are sooooo going to do this for you.' And then it comes to PTS and we see how it is. It's money. It looks like you won't have to buy from the crown store until you start digging into it and then you realize the whole thing is ultimately going to push you to the cash store if you are foolish enough to do that.
As far as whether or not it is affordable.... 5500 crowns is $40. Yes? So you are paying $40 for a clothing style in a game when the game itself costs $60. Just to give a little perspective. Sure the $40 is affordable to many. But it's a cash grab. A greedy cash grab. Why? Most people who want to do master writs to get housing items will probably need to get the motif because motifs are necessary for the master writs. The prices of them are now 30k each and not a ton of players will have money for that, plus writs (some of them cost a chunk of gold to make) and the house itself. So if they want to do the writs, they indirectly are forced to the store. It's like some kind of twisted update to the bait and switch.
Ok I'm master crafter I run trials regularly. If I want the motif bad enough I will buy from vendors. I have the motif already and have only bought the 2 exclusive motifs with crowns.
Considering motifs like Glass, Trinimac and some others were 5000 crowns, 6000 crowns isn't terrible for a trials only motif. What crafter doesn't have enough gold to buy from vendors? None that are serious about the game. Sorry but treating everyone like spoiled kids isn't the way life works. You don't have the rlm play the game, don't have in game money, go make some. Don't want to do either well guess what you're sol.
Stop expecting ZOS to hand everyone everything. Is it a cash grab, debatable, and if it is, well don't buy it. For all the complaints on these very forums about how ZOS is monetizing this game, why are you still here. Not the best mmo out there? Go find another one to play. Don't like how they conduct business, leave, speak with your wallet. I'm sorry but everything doesn't have to be equal among players, you work for it then you get it, you want to be lazy then you pay for it. Such is life, get over it.
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✭✭Well u can get it in game for very little gold now and the more you wait the cheaper it gets. So only newbies who don't know anything about the game would fall for that.
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✭✭✭✭✭DigitalShibby wrote: »static_recharge wrote: »Absurd. If you want people to buy it, make it affordable.
Even if it cost 3000 crowns you'd have people saying its not affordable.. that part is all relative. 6000 crowns is affordable to me. It's hard to be mad about the price they set when you can get it in game without spending any $.
Also the steep crown price is good because I don't want to see everyone wearing that ugly motif lol
lol calm down Floyd Mayweather, Im pretty sure its "afforadable" for everyone here it just plain and simply isnt worth it
It's affordable yep
The value though? The ever increasing "let's just push the crown prices a little bit higher" behavior we've been seeing?
I was prepared to buy 2 of these if they were reasonably priced, so I could have full on both my gear crafters - I however do not see it as reasonably priced. It's closer to what are you smoking insane pricing than reasonable, especially since it's rather inexpensive in guild kiosks.
What REALLY gets me the most though is the feeling that the price increases wont be stopping. Things will be getting more and more expensive.
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@Sigtric Yet they are so vastly different. The SWTOR cash shop is infinitely better than ESO's. Now there's an understanding that most cash shops are awful for games. Remember all of the lies from Matt Firor at the pre-launch about how The Elder Scrolls IP is so strong that it sells itself? With that said there's nothing in the game in SWTOR that you can't buy for in-game gold. It has quite the flexibility that favors players. Want to spend your in game credits? Buy it with in-game credits. Want to buy it with actual currency? Buy it with actual currency.
Yeah, I've played both and spent money like mad in SWTOR.
"better" is relative though. The fact you could buy store items with cash and then sell them was extremely detrimental to the health of the economy in my opinion. The only way I could make enough credits in game to buy the stuff I wanted from the Auction house was to spend real life money to get random crates that probably didn't have what I wanted in it, and sell that stuff so I could get the cash shop items I did want. It was horrible.
@Sigtric Your bad experience is due to your inability to make credits in game. In SWTOR, I make a ton of credits selling crafting materials. I've never felt compelled to purchase anything off of their store because I could buy it in game with the credits I already have.
Well sure, that's what makes the experience relative.
That's only one aspect of their cash shop as well. The entire thing was designed to nickle and dime players for QoL improvements or even access to much needed UI features, and in many cases even as a subbed player you still had to obtain things from it in one way or another.
There's quite a few reasons that even as recent as within the last couple months, Massively and other gaming news and commentary sites are listing SWTORs cash shop as how NOT to do it.
I'm glad it worked for you.
You're ill informed then. You get all of the quality of life improvements included in your sub. Your hotbars, credit cap etc are all unlocked with a subscription. You can also buy those with in-game credits as well. I know... You didn't know that either.
Reading comprehension much?
I didn't say subs had to buy all the stuff you say the sub unlocked. All I said was even subbed there are still things to obtain that originate in the store.
On the buying for credits bit, Even if you buy, for example, A hot bar, someone still had to pay out of pocket for that from the shop before it could be put into the auction kiosk.
Admittedly there is much I probably don't know about it anymore as I stopped playing long ago and my brief returns here and there were just that, but I do remember what it did to the in game economy during the conversion into f2p and the next 4ish months after, and it is still widely regarded as a horrible business model.
Again, glad it worked for you, but I still don't like it and no amount of your I-know-you-dont peen swinging is going to change my opinion.
You can also buy gold in ESO via the Crown Store via decon and Crown Store exclusives but you probably wouldn't understand. You're an apologist that is unable to see reality.0 -
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@Sigtric Yet they are so vastly different. The SWTOR cash shop is infinitely better than ESO's. Now there's an understanding that most cash shops are awful for games. Remember all of the lies from Matt Firor at the pre-launch about how The Elder Scrolls IP is so strong that it sells itself? With that said there's nothing in the game in SWTOR that you can't buy for in-game gold. It has quite the flexibility that favors players. Want to spend your in game credits? Buy it with in-game credits. Want to buy it with actual currency? Buy it with actual currency.
Yeah, I've played both and spent money like mad in SWTOR.
"better" is relative though. The fact you could buy store items with cash and then sell them was extremely detrimental to the health of the economy in my opinion. The only way I could make enough credits in game to buy the stuff I wanted from the Auction house was to spend real life money to get random crates that probably didn't have what I wanted in it, and sell that stuff so I could get the cash shop items I did want. It was horrible.
@Sigtric Your bad experience is due to your inability to make credits in game. In SWTOR, I make a ton of credits selling crafting materials. I've never felt compelled to purchase anything off of their store because I could buy it in game with the credits I already have.
Well sure, that's what makes the experience relative.
That's only one aspect of their cash shop as well. The entire thing was designed to nickle and dime players for QoL improvements or even access to much needed UI features, and in many cases even as a subbed player you still had to obtain things from it in one way or another.
There's quite a few reasons that even as recent as within the last couple months, Massively and other gaming news and commentary sites are listing SWTORs cash shop as how NOT to do it.
I'm glad it worked for you.
You're ill informed then. You get all of the quality of life improvements included in your sub. Your hotbars, credit cap etc are all unlocked with a subscription. You can also buy those with in-game credits as well. I know... You didn't know that either.
Reading comprehension much?
I didn't say subs had to buy all the stuff you say the sub unlocked. All I said was even subbed there are still things to obtain that originate in the store.
On the buying for credits bit, Even if you buy, for example, A hot bar, someone still had to pay out of pocket for that from the shop before it could be put into the auction kiosk.
Admittedly there is much I probably don't know about it anymore as I stopped playing long ago and my brief returns here and there were just that, but I do remember what it did to the in game economy during the conversion into f2p and the next 4ish months after, and it is still widely regarded as a horrible business model.
Again, glad it worked for you, but I still don't like it and no amount of your I-know-you-dont peen swinging is going to change my opinion.
You can also buy gold in ESO via the Crown Store via decon and Crown Store exclusives but you probably wouldn't understand. You're an apologist that is unable to see reality.
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@Sigtric Yet they are so vastly different. The SWTOR cash shop is infinitely better than ESO's. Now there's an understanding that most cash shops are awful for games. Remember all of the lies from Matt Firor at the pre-launch about how The Elder Scrolls IP is so strong that it sells itself? With that said there's nothing in the game in SWTOR that you can't buy for in-game gold. It has quite the flexibility that favors players. Want to spend your in game credits? Buy it with in-game credits. Want to buy it with actual currency? Buy it with actual currency.
Yeah, I've played both and spent money like mad in SWTOR.
"better" is relative though. The fact you could buy store items with cash and then sell them was extremely detrimental to the health of the economy in my opinion. The only way I could make enough credits in game to buy the stuff I wanted from the Auction house was to spend real life money to get random crates that probably didn't have what I wanted in it, and sell that stuff so I could get the cash shop items I did want. It was horrible.
@Sigtric Your bad experience is due to your inability to make credits in game. In SWTOR, I make a ton of credits selling crafting materials. I've never felt compelled to purchase anything off of their store because I could buy it in game with the credits I already have.
Well sure, that's what makes the experience relative.
That's only one aspect of their cash shop as well. The entire thing was designed to nickle and dime players for QoL improvements or even access to much needed UI features, and in many cases even as a subbed player you still had to obtain things from it in one way or another.
There's quite a few reasons that even as recent as within the last couple months, Massively and other gaming news and commentary sites are listing SWTORs cash shop as how NOT to do it.
I'm glad it worked for you.
You're ill informed then. You get all of the quality of life improvements included in your sub. Your hotbars, credit cap etc are all unlocked with a subscription. You can also buy those with in-game credits as well. I know... You didn't know that either.
Reading comprehension much?
I didn't say subs had to buy all the stuff you say the sub unlocked. All I said was even subbed there are still things to obtain that originate in the store.
On the buying for credits bit, Even if you buy, for example, A hot bar, someone still had to pay out of pocket for that from the shop before it could be put into the auction kiosk.
Admittedly there is much I probably don't know about it anymore as I stopped playing long ago and my brief returns here and there were just that, but I do remember what it did to the in game economy during the conversion into f2p and the next 4ish months after, and it is still widely regarded as a horrible business model.
Again, glad it worked for you, but I still don't like it and no amount of your I-know-you-dont peen swinging is going to change my opinion.
You can also buy gold in ESO via the Crown Store via decon and Crown Store exclusives but you probably wouldn't understand. You're an apologist that is unable to see reality.
Wait, what am I apologizing for?
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✭Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »
@Sigtric Yet they are so vastly different. The SWTOR cash shop is infinitely better than ESO's. Now there's an understanding that most cash shops are awful for games. Remember all of the lies from Matt Firor at the pre-launch about how The Elder Scrolls IP is so strong that it sells itself? With that said there's nothing in the game in SWTOR that you can't buy for in-game gold. It has quite the flexibility that favors players. Want to spend your in game credits? Buy it with in-game credits. Want to buy it with actual currency? Buy it with actual currency.
Yeah, I've played both and spent money like mad in SWTOR.
"better" is relative though. The fact you could buy store items with cash and then sell them was extremely detrimental to the health of the economy in my opinion. The only way I could make enough credits in game to buy the stuff I wanted from the Auction house was to spend real life money to get random crates that probably didn't have what I wanted in it, and sell that stuff so I could get the cash shop items I did want. It was horrible.
@Sigtric Your bad experience is due to your inability to make credits in game. In SWTOR, I make a ton of credits selling crafting materials. I've never felt compelled to purchase anything off of their store because I could buy it in game with the credits I already have.
Well sure, that's what makes the experience relative.
That's only one aspect of their cash shop as well. The entire thing was designed to nickle and dime players for QoL improvements or even access to much needed UI features, and in many cases even as a subbed player you still had to obtain things from it in one way or another.
There's quite a few reasons that even as recent as within the last couple months, Massively and other gaming news and commentary sites are listing SWTORs cash shop as how NOT to do it.
I'm glad it worked for you.
You're ill informed then. You get all of the quality of life improvements included in your sub. Your hotbars, credit cap etc are all unlocked with a subscription. You can also buy those with in-game credits as well. I know... You didn't know that either.
Reading comprehension much?
I didn't say subs had to buy all the stuff you say the sub unlocked. All I said was even subbed there are still things to obtain that originate in the store.
On the buying for credits bit, Even if you buy, for example, A hot bar, someone still had to pay out of pocket for that from the shop before it could be put into the auction kiosk.
Admittedly there is much I probably don't know about it anymore as I stopped playing long ago and my brief returns here and there were just that, but I do remember what it did to the in game economy during the conversion into f2p and the next 4ish months after, and it is still widely regarded as a horrible business model.
Again, glad it worked for you, but I still don't like it and no amount of your I-know-you-dont peen swinging is going to change my opinion.
You can also buy gold in ESO via the Crown Store via decon and Crown Store exclusives but you probably wouldn't understand. You're an apologist that is unable to see reality.
How can you buy gold, everything on the crown store is bound?
@Kyle1983b14_ESO Stalhrim Shards and Grinstones. Stalhrim Shards the last time I saw a price check were selling for over 10k gold a piece.- Construct a dagger in the style using a mimic stone
- Decon it and gain the stone to your inventory
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Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »
@Sigtric Yet they are so vastly different. The SWTOR cash shop is infinitely better than ESO's. Now there's an understanding that most cash shops are awful for games. Remember all of the lies from Matt Firor at the pre-launch about how The Elder Scrolls IP is so strong that it sells itself? With that said there's nothing in the game in SWTOR that you can't buy for in-game gold. It has quite the flexibility that favors players. Want to spend your in game credits? Buy it with in-game credits. Want to buy it with actual currency? Buy it with actual currency.
Yeah, I've played both and spent money like mad in SWTOR.
"better" is relative though. The fact you could buy store items with cash and then sell them was extremely detrimental to the health of the economy in my opinion. The only way I could make enough credits in game to buy the stuff I wanted from the Auction house was to spend real life money to get random crates that probably didn't have what I wanted in it, and sell that stuff so I could get the cash shop items I did want. It was horrible.
@Sigtric Your bad experience is due to your inability to make credits in game. In SWTOR, I make a ton of credits selling crafting materials. I've never felt compelled to purchase anything off of their store because I could buy it in game with the credits I already have.
Well sure, that's what makes the experience relative.
That's only one aspect of their cash shop as well. The entire thing was designed to nickle and dime players for QoL improvements or even access to much needed UI features, and in many cases even as a subbed player you still had to obtain things from it in one way or another.
There's quite a few reasons that even as recent as within the last couple months, Massively and other gaming news and commentary sites are listing SWTORs cash shop as how NOT to do it.
I'm glad it worked for you.
You're ill informed then. You get all of the quality of life improvements included in your sub. Your hotbars, credit cap etc are all unlocked with a subscription. You can also buy those with in-game credits as well. I know... You didn't know that either.
Reading comprehension much?
I didn't say subs had to buy all the stuff you say the sub unlocked. All I said was even subbed there are still things to obtain that originate in the store.
On the buying for credits bit, Even if you buy, for example, A hot bar, someone still had to pay out of pocket for that from the shop before it could be put into the auction kiosk.
Admittedly there is much I probably don't know about it anymore as I stopped playing long ago and my brief returns here and there were just that, but I do remember what it did to the in game economy during the conversion into f2p and the next 4ish months after, and it is still widely regarded as a horrible business model.
Again, glad it worked for you, but I still don't like it and no amount of your I-know-you-dont peen swinging is going to change my opinion.
You can also buy gold in ESO via the Crown Store via decon and Crown Store exclusives but you probably wouldn't understand. You're an apologist that is unable to see reality.
How can you buy gold, everything on the crown store is bound?
@Kyle1983b14_ESO Stalhrim Shards and Grinstones. Stalhrim Shards the last time I saw a price check were selling for over 10k gold a piece.
I guess you can use the mimic stones to sell the skins in game yeah, but they should have been BoP when making them tbh, so that is a P2W feature I would assume.Edited by Cpt_Teemo on 26 January 2017 22:501 -
TheValkyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »
@Sigtric Yet they are so vastly different. The SWTOR cash shop is infinitely better than ESO's. Now there's an understanding that most cash shops are awful for games. Remember all of the lies from Matt Firor at the pre-launch about how The Elder Scrolls IP is so strong that it sells itself? With that said there's nothing in the game in SWTOR that you can't buy for in-game gold. It has quite the flexibility that favors players. Want to spend your in game credits? Buy it with in-game credits. Want to buy it with actual currency? Buy it with actual currency.
Yeah, I've played both and spent money like mad in SWTOR.
"better" is relative though. The fact you could buy store items with cash and then sell them was extremely detrimental to the health of the economy in my opinion. The only way I could make enough credits in game to buy the stuff I wanted from the Auction house was to spend real life money to get random crates that probably didn't have what I wanted in it, and sell that stuff so I could get the cash shop items I did want. It was horrible.
@Sigtric Your bad experience is due to your inability to make credits in game. In SWTOR, I make a ton of credits selling crafting materials. I've never felt compelled to purchase anything off of their store because I could buy it in game with the credits I already have.
Well sure, that's what makes the experience relative.
That's only one aspect of their cash shop as well. The entire thing was designed to nickle and dime players for QoL improvements or even access to much needed UI features, and in many cases even as a subbed player you still had to obtain things from it in one way or another.
There's quite a few reasons that even as recent as within the last couple months, Massively and other gaming news and commentary sites are listing SWTORs cash shop as how NOT to do it.
I'm glad it worked for you.
You're ill informed then. You get all of the quality of life improvements included in your sub. Your hotbars, credit cap etc are all unlocked with a subscription. You can also buy those with in-game credits as well. I know... You didn't know that either.
Reading comprehension much?
I didn't say subs had to buy all the stuff you say the sub unlocked. All I said was even subbed there are still things to obtain that originate in the store.
On the buying for credits bit, Even if you buy, for example, A hot bar, someone still had to pay out of pocket for that from the shop before it could be put into the auction kiosk.
Admittedly there is much I probably don't know about it anymore as I stopped playing long ago and my brief returns here and there were just that, but I do remember what it did to the in game economy during the conversion into f2p and the next 4ish months after, and it is still widely regarded as a horrible business model.
Again, glad it worked for you, but I still don't like it and no amount of your I-know-you-dont peen swinging is going to change my opinion.
You can also buy gold in ESO via the Crown Store via decon and Crown Store exclusives but you probably wouldn't understand. You're an apologist that is unable to see reality.
How can you buy gold, everything on the crown store is bound?
@Kyle1983b14_ESO Stalhrim Shards and Grinstones. Stalhrim Shards the last time I saw a price check were selling for over 10k gold a piece.
I guess you can use the mimic stones to sell the skins in game yeah, but they should have been BoP when making them tbh, so that is a P2W feature I guess.
It's not pay to win since gold doesn't win you anything but it is a cash -> gold exchange.0
