Selene proc hit me for ~16k

stefanplc · January 2017

Hi there,
I'm playing a magicka nightblade with around 30k hp, 40k magica, 300cp (48 pts in Hardy which is -15% physical damage), full impen gear, all purple light armor except a heavy chest piece. I was fighting in the imperial city 1v1 a stamina build, didn't even get a chance to see what it was and got hit with what appeared on my death summary screen as 2 Selene procs. One for ~8.5k and the other for ~6.5k (from the same player) . How could I possibly compete with something like that?

Minalan · January 2017

Was this the Double proc bug, or were they from two different people?

Waffennacht · January 2017

Seems like the double proc bug

But he also mentions the animation cancelled bear

I keep hearing the echoes of PTS in my head...

"But it's so easy to dodge the big green bear!"

I can't remember the last time I even saw the darn thing

Crispen_Longbow · January 2017

stefanplc wrote: »

Hi there,
I'm playing a magicka nightblade with around 30k hp, 40k magica, 300cp (48 pts in Hardy which is -15% physical damage), full impen gear, all purple light armor except a heavy chest piece. I was fighting in the imperial city 1v1 a stamina build, didn't even get a chance to see what it was and got hit with what appeared on my death summary screen as 2 Selene procs. One for ~8.5k and the other for ~6.5k (from the same player) . How could I possibly compete with something like that?

Its the double proc bug like others have mentioned. You get it by weapon swaping and it procs for each weapon. There is a fix for it when ZOS releases the next update.

From the PTS Patch Notes v2.7.0 (Homestead).
[*]Selene: Fixed an issue where the proc from this item set could trigger twice.

stefanplc · January 2017

Glad to hear it's being fixed.

PurifedBladez · January 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

Seems like the double proc bug

But he also mentions the animation cancelled bear

I keep hearing the echoes of PTS in my head...

"But it's so easy to dodge the big green bear!"

I can't remember the last time I even saw the darn thing

Yeah its ridiculous I never see it.

Cinbri · January 2017

Glad it will be fixed. Not fun when you play on azura with 22k hp and than gota damaged by bugged set for 15k damage.

josh.lackey_ESO · January 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

"But it's so easy to dodge the big green bear!"

Which is excellent advice because magicka builds can afford to dodge 15% of melee attacks every four seconds...

olsborg · January 2017

Ive been hit for 8k noncrit and 12k crit, and zos thinks making proccsets not able to crit will be a good solution to the proccmeta, I laugh.

Zendran · January 2017

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

"But it's so easy to dodge the big green bear!"

Which is excellent advice because magicka builds can afford to dodge 15% of melee attacks every four seconds...

To be fair, when I play caster toons I constantly jump backwards and the bear ends up missing a lot (ie you can move out of the way pretty consistently if you're already moving when it procs). But it can definitely still hit more frequently than people said it would.

josh.lackey_ESO · January 2017

Zendran wrote: »

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

"But it's so easy to dodge the big green bear!"

Which is excellent advice because magicka builds can afford to dodge 15% of melee attacks every four seconds...

To be fair, when I play caster toons I constantly jump backwards and the bear ends up missing a lot (ie you can move out of the way pretty consistently if you're already moving when it procs). But it can definitely still hit more frequently than people said it would.

Do you literally jump? Because maybe the jumping makes all the difference. I think you PvP better if you are jumping.

DHale · January 2017

Only 16 k lucky...

Zendran · January 2017

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

Zendran wrote: »

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

"But it's so easy to dodge the big green bear!"

Which is excellent advice because magicka builds can afford to dodge 15% of melee attacks every four seconds...

To be fair, when I play caster toons I constantly jump backwards and the bear ends up missing a lot (ie you can move out of the way pretty consistently if you're already moving when it procs). But it can definitely still hit more frequently than people said it would.

Do you literally jump? Because maybe the jumping makes all the difference. I think you PvP better if you are jumping.

Yes, I literally constantly press spacebar.

MalakithAlamahdi · January 2017

Zendran wrote: »

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

Zendran wrote: »

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

"But it's so easy to dodge the big green bear!"

Which is excellent advice because magicka builds can afford to dodge 15% of melee attacks every four seconds...

To be fair, when I play caster toons I constantly jump backwards and the bear ends up missing a lot (ie you can move out of the way pretty consistently if you're already moving when it procs). But it can definitely still hit more frequently than people said it would.

Do you literally jump? Because maybe the jumping makes all the difference. I think you PvP better if you are jumping.

Yes, I literally constantly press spacebar.

Seriously? I can be behind the bear and it still hits me. There is no way in hell i can avoid it.

kadar · January 2017

olsborg wrote: »

Ive been hit for 8k noncrit and 12k crit, and zos thinks making proccsets not able to crit will be a good solution to the proccmeta, I laugh.

I predict it's going to help more in PVP than people think. The people who already fully mitigate Crit dmg are not the ones who are dying to proctards, it's the folks that run around with less than ~2.5k Impen-- the majority of Cyrodiil's population. The change will help low Impen, low resist builds the most.

EDIT: Also...8k Selene's instead of 12k? Hells yes, I'll take that. Also...Damn, why doesn't MY Selene's hit that hard?!

kessik221 · January 2017

My tooltip for selenes reads 16k on my pve stam sorc. I would assume then that 8k noncrits are probably players who are relying on glass cannon builds. Also it seems for me at least selenes never wants to proc.

josh.lackey_ESO · January 2017

I think the bear should get a teabag animation and get the AP for the kill, since the person running the set is a potato.

olsborg · January 2017

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

I think the bear should get a teabag animation and get the AP for the kill, since the person running the set is a potato.

And hemorroids irl.

thankyourat · January 2017

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

"But it's so easy to dodge the big green bear!"

Which is excellent advice because magicka builds can afford to dodge 15% of melee attacks every four seconds...

You don't have to dodge it though just move out of the way and it'll miss. My problem is when I don't see the bear at all and I'm just letting there dead

kadar · January 2017

My bear often procs and swipes at the air simply because both myself and my target are moving. And not fast. Just walking pace.

Waffennacht · January 2017

The_Outsider wrote: »

My bear often procs and swipes at the air simply because both myself and my target are moving. And not fast. Just walking pace.

You're doing it wrong.

If anyone can actually see the bear, you're doing it wrong.

I hate it, but the bear can be animation cancelled, and therefore never dodged. I do believe Dawnbreaker animation cancels it and is MASSIVE burst.

I wanna see the BEAR SOB

Ron_Burgundy_79 · January 2017

thankyourat wrote: »

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

"But it's so easy to dodge the big green bear!"

Which is excellent advice because magicka builds can afford to dodge 15% of melee attacks every four seconds...

You don't have to dodge it though just move out of the way and it'll miss. My problem is when I don't see the best at all and I'm just letting there dead

Yeah moving is an issue on a magplar. We're fat, slow, and don't ever leave our house even if a bear just tore down the front door.

thankyourat · January 2017

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

"But it's so easy to dodge the big green bear!"

Which is excellent advice because magicka builds can afford to dodge 15% of melee attacks every four seconds...

You don't have to dodge it though just move out of the way and it'll miss. My problem is when I don't see the best at all and I'm just letting there dead

Yeah moving is an issue on a magplar. We're fat, slow, and don't ever leave our house even if a bear just tore down the front door.

Lol you got to go full trollplar and build a castle instead of a house

kadar · January 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

My bear often procs and swipes at the air simply because both myself and my target are moving. And not fast. Just walking pace.

You're doing it wrong.

If anyone can actually see the bear, you're doing it wrong.

I hate it, but the bear can be animation cancelled, and therefore never dodged. I do believe Dawnbreaker animation cancels it and is MASSIVE burst.

I wanna see the BEAR SOB

Wat? Can you animation cancel Skoria? What do the things my character is doing have to do with what the bear does?

leepalmer95 · January 2017

Bear procs on jabs and it nasty on a stamplar.

High procs combine with 70% snare means it hits hard and often.

Wreuntzylla · January 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Bear procs on jabs and it nasty on a stamplar.

High procs combine with 70% snare means it hits hard and often.

It procs on jabs??? That doesn't jive with the tooltip. Not that anyone should ever rely on ZoS' tooltips...

MalakithAlamahdi · January 2017

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Bear procs on jabs and it nasty on a stamplar.

High procs combine with 70% snare means it hits hard and often.

It procs on jabs??? That doesn't jive with the tooltip. Not that anyone should ever rely on ZoS' tooltips...

Yep, it definitely does. I had 3 bear procs on my deathcap against a stamplar.

Wreuntzylla · January 2017

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Bear procs on jabs and it nasty on a stamplar.

High procs combine with 70% snare means it hits hard and often.

It procs on jabs??? That doesn't jive with the tooltip. Not that anyone should ever rely on ZoS' tooltips...

Yep, it definitely does. I had 3 bear procs on my deathcap against a stamplar.

Ouch. Might consider submitting a bug report. Unless the recap really was over a 4sec time period.

Waffennacht · January 2017

@The_Outsider you never mentioned skoria, you said your bear swipes air. If your bear has an animation then you're not animation canceling the bear for maximum effectiveness.

kadar · January 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

@The_Outsider you never mentioned skoria, you said your bear swipes air. If your bear has an animation then you're not animation canceling the bear for maximum effectiveness.

Ya, you said that I can AC my Selene proc. This is shocking news to me, so I followed up and asked if you can cancel Valkyn Skoria's animation, which is also a delayed damage proc similar to Selene. How do you AC a damage proc?

Waffennacht · January 2017

The_Outsider wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@The_Outsider you never mentioned skoria, you said your bear swipes air. If your bear has an animation then you're not animation canceling the bear for maximum effectiveness.

Ya, you said that I can AC my Selene proc. This is shocking news to me, so I followed up and asked if you can cancel Valkyn Skoria's animation, which is also a delayed damage proc similar to Selene. How do you AC a damage proc?

Anyway, I know one way is using Dawnbreaker. I'll ask a few players what they're doin exactly though.

Edit: The more I think about it, the more I think you can only have one "frontal" animation at a time. Like I've never seen the animation of several abilities occur in the same place from the same character. Like Skoria may be animation cancelled by meteor i do have a clip of a death recap of skoria and meteor but I do not recall seeing the skoria rock.