You're missing curse, right? You could take off either Comet or Destro (whichever you use least) and put Overload on. You can put Power Surge there to free up a spot for curse. Also, getting Ele Drain on the target helps if you can get it on your bar somehow.

TBS doesn't seem to be a very common PvP set, at least from builds I've seen. But it does offer some well rounded stats and flexibility with the two mundus stones.

Personally, I run a pet build with Necropotence, which hits very hard, and has good survivabilty.

If you want to keep your build as close to what it is as possible, I'd focus on the skills first before changing out gear. Getting Curse and Ele Drain and lining up the burst with Wrath and C-Frag should be enough with your gear, I think. Maybe if you post how hard you're seeing others hit and how hard you are we could see what the numbers really look like. You might be closer than you think but just not stacking enough simultanions attacks.

Hi sorry I meant defensive rune on the back bar. I am running hardened on the front bar which I swapped out for curse seeing as it is going to be nerfed in the next patch I thought I would start running without it especially as I wasn't seeing huge dps numbers with it anyway. My back bar with defensive rune is where I was running hardened ward and then had curse on the front bar but survivabilty was an issue, is it less so now. Most of my death recaps from a sorc don't seem to have curse on there as much anymore either. More so just wrath & crystal frags that both seem to be hitting beyond hard. Some wrath explosions are 10-15k and Sorcs seem to be spamming them a bit like Jesus beam Templars do, even at full health just waiting for your health to drop

I am going to test this, should be pretty strong. Astronanch mundus for regen.

5x Burning Spell Weave
5x Julianos
1x infernal guardian (max magika)

Another you could try:

5x spinners
5x twice born star
1x molag kena

Well, I use Empowered Ward, which is 10 seconds. When I'm running two shields I've got 25k in PvP for 6 seconds when both are up. The Empowered Ward is about 15k by itself in PvP. The high burst build I've been using lately doesn't use Harness Magicka on the main bars. I have it on my Overload Bar and pop it when I'm there to refresh Power Surge or Daedric Minefield, or if I'm really low on magicka and fighting a magicka class.

If I'm running my aoe build then I run both shields.

To see the big numbers, try empowering your hard hitters with a mages guild skill.

Elfborn vs Erosion... I kind of like to spread mine out to get a bit of everything. You get more per point spent that way too. But it really depends - if you *need* more penetration (which you won't with spinners (see below) - and probably won't with light-armour/sharpened), then spend on Erosion. If you have a decent crit chance - spend in Elfborn..

I'm not a fan of spinners - basically because you NEED a sharpened weapon for it to work. If you don't have the sharpened weapon - well, you can get more penetration than the spinners 5-piece bonus from a sharpened crafted set - and have another 5-piece bonus too! Which means with spinners - its light armour... + sharpened weapon + spinners bonus = enough penetration tot totally negate light armour and most of medium and probably 2/3 of the average non-tank heavy wearer. That's with nothing in Erosion. Its a LOT of penetration - but it all means nothing against a dmg-shield user. I'm seeing more magicka-classes in Cyro now already since EOTS - and I think will see even more again after U13 - so I think the benefits of Spinners will be limited.

But then I'm not a massive fan of using dropped sets for your weapons - mostly because I'm not a fan of farming/don't have much gold to spend!

Tried Kodi build last night and it was great. I was pretty much my old skill set up before shield times got nerfed. I changed a few things up did and put defensive rune and mines on the overload bar, power surge on the back and inner light on the front to increase crit (was sitting at 32%, now 60% with inner light and thief mundus) and magic plus get the empower. Also wasn't a fan of dawnbreaker so went with meteor. I am not running a monster set just 5xlich/5xJulianos/1xKena. Damage was better and the sustain is unreal, basically never ending magicka. I ran with blue food. Although my regen is only 1.3k when it drops and Lich cuts in it jumps to 3k. In the cases when i thought I might be in trouble a pot did the trick. Going to farm for spinners though to give that a go, plus I ran crypt of hearts 6 times for a Lich resto with no luck. But this set up is way better than what I had.

WarLord2905 wrote: »

...and inner light on the front to increase crit (was sitting at 32%, now 60% with inner light and thief mundus)

I had a guildmate suggest Inner Light on front bar when I first started MagSorc. It does feel a lot better with Inner light+Thief.

Spinners body pieces aren't too bad to get, it took me 6hours to get a sharpened mace though. I was one of those peeps who started farming the Lich pieces at Dolmens in Cyrodiil a long time ago. So I already had access to a lot of Lich body pieces and the restro staff. Got 2 sharpended lightning 1 fire staff from doing normal runs of CoH. Eventually got rings/neck pieces too, it'll come eventually.

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Slimecraw. It's always worth it on a mag sorc. Grothdarr is also nice. Pirate Skeleton. There are many useful 2-piece boni available, it's very worth freeing your head/shoulder slots for them.

Also, spellcrit potions can replace Magelight.

Gonna try Slime once I get a good head piece, got a light/divine shoulder

@SamTheSwan Your vid is all squished up on my screen, might want to take a look at it so the video displays normally

n/m looks like it fixed itself

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IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Penetration... You get 5.3k from Sharpened and 4.9k from light armor. That's 10k. I have 17 points in Spell Erosion. I find that 12k penetration is more than enough.

Remember, never neglect crit and crit damage in your build. You won't kill people with non crit attacks.

Destro Staff's offer 10% penetration on Penetrating Magic passive [2/2] I'm not sure how much this % is numbers wise. Which is odd a % is used on the tooltip over the number given to us on Spinner's / Sharpened weapons.

I always seem to over look that LA has penetration

KisoValley wrote: »

I found that a lot of PC NA's sorcs prefer mines whereas PC EU sorcs prefer boundless. There is no right or wrong it's just preference.

This is interesting.

On PS4 NA no one really understands how mines work. I've gotten into situations where I throw them down, and I see people roll dodging through them. OK, I understand where this thought process comes from, they go through them they can get to me, but they take damage. Often against my playstyle, that is a dangerous idea to execute. These aren't situations where it's zerg vs zerg, it's open field fights I see people do this. If I cuddle up into a corner and place mines in an area I know someone will walk into them they just kinda do it with little regard for the consequences.

I come from a background where I appreciate and study spaces between me and my opponent. Mines to me create a 'no fly' zone. So in open field situations I can place them down so to create the illusion or bluff of a 'no go area' and I have yet to get ganked by someone. Either... the ganker is not knowledgeable about how to maneuver around the mines, or they are too scared to risk engaging in a fight if they do break the mines.

From my experience, there seems to be a even number of Sorc's running mines and using boundless on PS4 NA. I run mines because I remember/saw Sorcs back when I played PC NA and I emulate more of their playstyle when I get into fights.

In my personal opinion, having tried both lich and seducer in pvp, lich is only worth it if you back bar it. If you plan to use 5 lich on both bars then I think seducer is superior. Seducer allows for the mixing of heavy armour with light armour, whereas lich just comes in light. Even if you're happy in full light armour the 8% cost reduction from seducer is better for sustain than the burst regen from lich. I haven't calculated this, just tested it in open world pvp and I run oom less with seducer. As far as I'm concerned the only benefit to using lich is that you don't need it on both bars, and this frees up a spot allowing you to use a full monster set. Spinners is almost necessary in pvp right now.

For pvp I use 5 seducer, 5 spinners and vma destro/resto with vulnerability poisons on the destro. The seducer chest and legs are heavy and the rest is light, all impen. The heavy armour increases my hp by ~800 and allows me to take a small dip into the constitution passive. Resto staff on back bar is defending and I use boundless storm instead of harness. I have 23k resistances on back bar and 18k on front bar, with over 2k crit resist. I'm also a vampire which comes with a passive to reduce the damage you take when at low health. I only put 30cp into bastion choosing to distribute the rest between hardy, elemental defender etc. I keep boundless storm up at all times (it lasts 20s) and only use hardened ward when I need to deal with pressure. I still use healing ward as a burst heal to recover from low hp.

All these damage mitigation mechanics combine to make me much harder to take down than if I was wearing all light armour with harness and just 8k resistances. I make up the damage loss from using all impen traits by slotting combat prayer and vulnerability poisons. Combat prayer adds 8% damage for 8s and the poisons add another 8% damage for 4s. These poisons don't drain your opponents resources or even do any damage themselves, they just make your opponent take 8% more damage for 4s. This allows for some nice burst. My setup is pretty unorthodox and I haven't come across another sorc that runs a similar build, but I imagine there are some. I'm a mostly solo player and I die a lot less than I did when I was wearing 5 spinners/5 lich/1 kena/1 BS. It's a viable alternative to "the meta", whatever that may be.

Most sorcs will use something like 5 spinners/5 lich/2 pirate skele which is a very strong setup if you can keep your wards up at all times. Personally I feel like I'm trying to swim against a current when attempting to keep 2 wards up at all times, I find it much more relaxing to just hit boundless storm every 20s and then use hardened while actually taking damage.

Waffennacht wrote: »

If they are a Temp/DK Tremorscale/Grothdarr then they'll run right through them because it won't kill them, even if you burst at that moment (well what you can when they decide to go through) and vigor/BoL/rally etc back up while getting a HA buff.

Vampires just mistform them and LAUGH.
Magicka builds range it

Mines are best against:
Melee NBs
Stamsorcs
Glass cannon proc builds that are not Tremorscale heavy SnB guys

Edit: Conclusion Boundless has a use in every match, mines not so much, though mines when effective is very effective. Atm I'm running neither as looking at their magicka cost makes me sad

I totally see what you mean by Temp/DK... thanks for laying that out. Interestingly enough I've yet to run into them in a 1v1 situation. So my example of the guy(s) who role dodge through my mines are mainly medium armor/stam NB which should explain why it'd hurt them. I have not had a situation where I'm using mines against a vamp either... I will take note of that though.

I agree about Boundless.

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Most sorcs will use something like 5 spinners/5 lich/2 pirate skele which is a very strong setup if you can keep your wards up at all times. Personally I feel like I'm trying to swim against a current when attempting to keep 2 wards up at all times, I find it much more relaxing to just hit boundless storm every 20s and then use hardened while actually taking damage.

I've mostly been using just Hardened. I run into the same issue you do here, 2 shields to stack I can't wrap my head around.



But I made just poping Hardened work.

I'm wondering if with tbe changes to proc sets does 2k crit resist cut it or is investing more still a decent idea?