Is eots good for pvp guys?

basically the zergs heard how there was no lag and alot of players and alot who arnt combat tested vets at the game and they interpreted it as easy ap. thus why so many have moved over.

We are talking about AS here Mrs/Mr Enslaved, not about TF fyi

And well Decado, I am not complaining. Keep coming. Its exactly what we're looking for

The fault is in the ZoS design of the PvP mechanic. It is way more rewarding (AP wise) to go and fight between enemies keeps. You have constant flow of incoming enemies and if you fight them at resource you can stay inside kill the stupid ones who comes and at some point just flip the flag and get the offensive tick. Of course your group will be wiped at some point but you just respawn at a forward camp and the cycle continue. The problem is that these farm/ball groups dont fight each other and if they do it is rarely. They just farm the so called PUGs. I dont blame them, everybody can play the game how they want to do.
For the lag, according to me the smart heals need more calculations and they are the main reason for the lag.

Decado wrote: »

AyelineESO wrote: »

12 -14 people = zerg? Nice to know.
Whats the 50+ people that are often chasing us then? Small scale?

You mean the 50+ people you purposelfully bait into following you so you can farm them? I call that a pug group of your own making

It's starting to be painful to always challenge a guild / group on a MMO game. The people to blame are not US, but the so-called pugs that follow us to the other end of the world.
You now have to stop calling a guild of 12-14 players a zerg, this group is just proof of coordination, and no one can question it, because again we are in a MMO, teamplay is normal comparative to a solo game.

These people who follow us, or just this bus that we created is not something to reproach us, but to the opposing players, who are entirely responsible for their action.

"I call that a pug group of your own making" : If the players on this game played better or more coordinated, those kind of situation won't exist. All the tools are offered to them to do better, and TeamSpeak exists.
I will not accept an excuse like : but people who come back from work don't necessarily want to go on a vocal. Too bad for them, or they assume, or they will play a coop game.

Well I don't know about your statment @Derra, those times Az is triple lock every evening. So they kinda need smthing organised.

I don't know about any AD big zerg running on this campaign since we're mostly trying to avoid other dominion people, but DC and EP can get quite huge groups, and I don't think it's connected to us being around since most of the time they fight each other before we jump right in the middle of them.


We do adjust playstyle according to what we face, but we never change groupsize after loosing a fight.

Derra wrote: »

I did not mean to imply after loosing a fight you bring more people.

But the guild and grpsize of zergsquad (atleast from seeing you ride past) has increased over time - albeit being somewhat dynamic.

Even if they´re all poplocked - there is a great difference between potatoes fighting potatoes and potatoes fighting a
potato peeler. Potatoes can clash 1 v1 or x v x the whole day until they´re all mashed potatoes without requiring any adaption in numbers or behavior.
When you bring in a potatoe peeler it suddenly requires a whole lot more potatoes to mash that peeler.

Any skilled grp in eso works as a "focusing lense" for potatoes and the amount of pomme de terre needed to defeat them rises exponentially (or it requires braintatoes amidst them).

In duo we feel unconfortable with any encounter > 5 players. With 3 players its probably 8 to 10. With 4 players we might defeat 14 to 18. Now that does not severely impair server functionality yet (but even we get moments where we create lag by binding 20 people on us with 4).
However you´re running a grp of 12 or more people sometimes binding (by your own words) 50 players or more on you by the fact that you´re surviving and killing them. You focus an amount of abilities being fired on the small vicinity of your grp (and fire a ton of abilities yourself) that otherwise would have never occured when they would have just fought players in their own orbit of abilities.
Less coordination meaning less concentrated use of abilities and probably faster deaths on both sides.

As a result of this i do very much believe that even one highly coordianted grp can have severe impacts on server performance especially when entering a server that is already on the verge of exceeding it´s limits because (as you stated) it´s poplocked and there are large fights happening.

Edit: Also we´ve all had moments where we just wondered why it started to lag suddenly and then went on to see blackswords pvp, unfriendly fire or zergsquad in a resourcetower/wall/bridge whatever being orbited by a metric *** of enemy players. Not dying fast enough is the core problem here

We are playing with ~12 people since pretty much 2 years now, so the impression we got bigger is subjective.


Usually we just go between Reds and Blues and just kill the people that zerg there. In this kind of fight our presence hardly makes a difference. Not like more reds run from Bleakers to Aleswell because there is a yellow group killing them on Aleswell farm. If we wouldn't kill them they would most likely die to the blue zerg that would then push Bleakers and die there. Rinse and repeat.
The times the servers starts to lag is when there is a big fight for a long time without ending. When our fights go to the point where it's lagging the server it is us defending something like an emp keep vs 60+ reds or blues that just run around behind us rezzing people we killed or aiming sieges at us. We aren't able to wipe them because there is no cooldown on Soulgems and it's too many to stop them from rezzing so the fight doesn't end and over time more and more people of that faction show up.
Trust me, if ZOS put the same cooldown on Soulgems that is on camps the server performance would get waaaaaaay better because sadly at the moment it's almost impossible to end a fights against 60 enemies. Without endless soulgem rezzes most keep fights would end way quicker (in favor of the organised group, which might be why ZOS/community doesn't want it changed). There would still be spots like Alessia Bridge or Chalman Milegate where pugs get stuck with no side being able to push through, especially with a guild camping the entrance but it would still help a lot.

Now about who to blame for lag, it is not like the only reason for 50+ zergs is the fact we farmed them too much. I agree that guild raids can make a big difference when it comes to performance but on Azura we mostly fight other guilds tbh and there is hardly any way to have good fights without a solid 12 man group. The only why it might not be laggy without us is because those 50 just kill their enemies quickly without a lot of resistance.
On TF you can easily play with a small group because you can just kite the pugs until only a moderate amount is left, but against guilds (even if they are more pugish than us) they will either all chase you or noone.

Decado wrote: »

Holy ***, got to say your definitely zerging this thread! Haha anyone left from your guild who hasn't commented yet lol

At least debate exists, and people try to give their opinion with arguments, not just qqing.