Hexys Magicka Sorcerer PvP Build for Update 12 - One Tamriel (2.6.5) - Duels and Small Scale PvP

Mayrael · October 2016

Hexys wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I´m gonna make a nice build topic aswell when i´m done farming

Looking forward to that!

Mayrael wrote: »

Awesome build, mostly because I run almost same setup of skills xD sorcs can be made in so many ways! /endsarcasm. I use other gear though. 5 Amberplasm (less dmg but lot more mag and stam regen) with Dampen on my front bar and harden on back bar to have +20% stam regen on both bars. 4 Magnus + 2 Infernal. Instead of defensive rune I use ellusive mist (life saver against cc spamers) but definetly will try that to.

One question @Hexys. Does defensive rune fires on cc immune targets to or it launches only when target that hits you can be disoriented?

Defensive Rune does not proc on immunity, but it does proc through block!

I think you missunderstood me, Im not even surprised since my english is far from being good. Ill try to ask in other way.

Lets say I have defensive rune on me. Someone with cc immunity attacks me. Will my defensive rune still be on me waiting to fire off on target that doesnt have cc immunity? Or it will simply be wasted?

nCats · October 2016

A very pretty build, indeed.

What is your overall experience with spinner's? In a parallel tread, some people are saying it is not as good. The 4-piece bonuses are roughly the same for this set and Willpower. Do you feel like 4k spell pen really matter in all possible situations, and why, is that damage increase really worth it? Thanks.

covenant_merchant · October 2016

@Mayrael it will be wasted.

Izaki · October 2016

Your max magicka is low for a sorcerer... Otherwise sounds good. Except the fact that if you go up against someone you uses a damage shield your 5 piece spinners is useless...

Not going to comment on the skills as its all personal preference

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Mayrael · October 2016

kasa-obake wrote: »

@Mayrael it will be wasted.

Thanks a lot

Joy_Division · October 2016

Love the gear set up. Love the food choice if you're a good enough player to get away with 11K stam.

The one change I would consider is Eye of the Storm ultimate since good player don't die to Soul Assault.

I have not tested it, but the resto ult might be something to consider for solo sorc, since they are stuck using the staff. The 5 second heal + major force should be enough to survive without shield spam and get in a killing burst. I like having one expensive and one cheap ultimate.

Hexys · October 2016

Joy_Division wrote: »

Love the gear set up. Love the food choice if you're a good enough player to get away with 11K stam.

The one change I would consider is Eye of the Storm ultimate since good player don't die to Soul Assault.

I have not tested it, but the resto ult might be something to consider for solo sorc, since they are stuck using the staff. The 5 second heal + major force should be enough to survive without shield spam and get in a killing burst. I like having one expensive and one cheap ultimate.

Yes Eye of the storm is superstrong and in alot of fights a win-button, people can avoid it quite easily if they are mobile enough though. Soul assault is just 85 ultimate and more constant pressure. Again very situational! But in open world yes, eye the storm it is.

TreeHugger1 · October 2016

Hexys wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

So i don't have a master staff.

So i was thinking of using a spinner destro staff then going 5x lich with resto staff instead. Seems lich now comes in everything.

Not sure what my sustain will be like though.

Speaking of sustain if this for duels or something because i'm not sure you could sustain with 1600~ recovery open world.

I'm also tempted to drop atro and go thief because crits seem so important now days, nothing dies to non crits the burst from crit it what kills people it seems. This new food looks great and if you can sustain just by getting 2x tri glyph's then why not.

5 Spinner and 5 Lich is really awesome to, that's what I was gonna run in the first place! Your sustain will be great in open world but totally overkill in duels. Ye thief is very interesting but the fact that Impen in cp is now a flat value and you can get everything in impen, crits mean even less sadly.

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Hey Hexys, Makkir here. I run same build in T1 except no Masters staff. I am in temp housing waiting to close on our new home and the internet is like a hamster wheel...cant do much.

Anyhow I dropped Harness and picked up elemental drain (put curse on resto bar). I play on AZ currently but when I am ready for a CP campaign ill dump my points into Erosion.

Im glad another sorc is enjoying the value the Spinner set offers, you can also ru it in PvE which I love since I hate swapping sets/bars so much

Since I dont have access to Makkir anymore I dont have a willpower set so im running 5pc Spinner and 5pc willpower. Very effective build build and gear selection for the sorcs who know what theyre doing.

this new food is amazing

Hey Makkir! Ooh man that's not nice to hear, hope you get it all fixed soon! ^^
A question I also asked myself, to place curse on the backbar and excecute on the main bar. With elemental drain your sustain is also infinite and brings you over 20k spell penetration which is insanely good for heavy armor builds. With this gear I did a 530k vma score, deathless and I didn't do it in half a year, I was surprised how insane infernal guardian is in PvE.

You say 5pc willpower, not sure what set you mean. But another great combo is amberplasm/spinner with a master or maelstrom staff. It all comes down to balancing your stats and make combinations, I love it this theorycrafting! The new food is just perfect

Well I think lich/spinner is better than amberplasm/spinner,you can combine them better with spinner destro,lich healing staff,4 body pieces for each set and a monster set(or grothdarr+infernal guardian to stack mag).
Anyway lich set bonuses are amazing.

Methariorn · October 2016

I've try 5 spinner, 2 infernal and 4 necropotence (I'm too lazzy to farm the destro staff from dragonstar arena). I'm just wondering if the spinner is really working...I don't see any damage difference chaning to lich for more recovery (sharpened staff + 5 light armor bonus + 70 points in spell erosion).

Derra · October 2016

Kas wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Shadow/Thief are the strongest mundus stones.

yes, that's true. but they're much harder to compare because shadow's effectiveness depends on your crit chance and thief's on your crit damage vs enemy impen... and then there are damage shields etc. If you want to commit to crits is a complicated question depending on the situations, your enemies, and even "raid/group buffs"... and most probably out of question for this build anyway.

Still, I stand by my point that the reason for atro > mag/apprentice (as stated in a guideliek this) should be "because this stat over-proportionally large on the mundus stone" rather than "because we prefer reg (but then take damage glyphs)"

Imo you should tailor your build to utilize thief if you´re running surge. It´s too potent to ignore even with impen/block and shields in play only for the defensive value it adds.
I get ~4000 fully buffed spelldmg while also having 59.9% crit on a destro build currently at 1660 base magreg (add on lich, potion and resource buffs).

As for mundus efficiency if not going for crit:

apprentice: 166 spelldmg - enchant: 174 spelldmg - setbonus: 129 spelldmg
attronarch: 198 magrreg - enchant: 168 magreg - setbonus: 129 magreg
mage: 1280 magica - enchant: NA - setbonus: 967 magica

Just looking at this it´s pretty clear that one should almost never choose apprentice at all. If you need regen you don´t enchant it but use attronarch. If you don´t need reg and are fully dmg enchanted the mage is prefered over apprentice because it adds onto sorcs main defense by increasing shields.

Methariorn wrote: »

I've try 5 spinner, 2 infernal and 4 necropotence (I'm too lazzy to farm the destro staff from dragonstar arena). I'm just wondering if the spinner is really working...I don't see any damage difference chaning to lich for more recovery (sharpened staff + 5 light armor bonus + 70 points in spell erosion).

Spinner is definetly working (tested that myself multiple times) but highly situational and depending on CP and other gear choices and ofcourse enemy resistances - it will get outperformed by even julianos on average medium armor players.

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Your max magicka is low for a sorcerer... Otherwise sounds good. Except the fact that if you go up against someone you uses a damage shield your 5 piece spinners is useless...

Not going to comment on the skills as its all personal preference .

I don´t think his magica is "low" to be honest. I´m running ~38k myself and that feels perfectly fine for me. Imo it´s a choice to either go all out maxmagica pushing it to 45k+ (50+ for petbuilds) or you stick with less and try to make up for it otherwise.
For my personal playstyle a hardened ward above 10k is perfectly fine.

Minalan · October 2016

I'm running Seducer/Spinner right now, I'm wondering if julianos/lich will do any better damage wise?

Also, does anyone know if impen really took a hit this patch? I read that now it takes 100 points for 1% crit resist instead of 66. If that's the case, then this is huge.

Force-Siphon · October 2016

Cool build hexys

Derra · October 2016

Minalan wrote: »

I'm running Seducer/Spinner right now, I'm wondering if julianos/lich will do any better damage wise?

Also, does anyone know if impen really took a hit this patch? I read that now it takes 100 points for 1% crit resist instead of 66. If that's the case, then this is huge.

Lich spinner will definetly do better as lich beats seducer in every scenario flatout.

Spinner vs julianos is a little tricky basically depending on your CP allocation and enemy resistances. Up until ~15k resistance julianos should/will be ahead dmg wise than spinner is better. However spinner does not work against opponents using shields (even when the shields are down a light armor player withour resi buff is fully pierces 100% of the time) whereas julianos does.
I personally prefer julianos while others prefer spinner. It´s entirely personal flavour in my opinion.

Malamar1229 · October 2016

I think your gear selection is going to vary depending on which campaign you play. On AZ you dont get the benefit of CP multipliers which is why I am currently running Seducers over Lich (That and the fact I can't get a group to farm for the pieces). Why ZOS decided to kill the economy and make everything BoP is beyond me.

-Makkir

Derra · October 2016

Malamar1229 wrote: »

I think your gear selection is going to vary depending on which campaign you play. On AZ you dont get the benefit of CP multipliers which is why I am currently running Seducers over Lich (That and the fact I can't get a group to farm for the pieces). Why ZOS decided to kill the economy and make everything BoP is beyond me.

-Makkir

Even without any bonuses at all (meaning no piece of light armor, no highelf, no poiton, no resource buff) the lich procc provides 9940 magica over 20s.

You would need to cast 41 spells with an average base magica cost of 3k to achieve that with seducer. It´s unlikely to find a scenario where seducer is mathematically better than lich even on no CP campaign.

Minalan · October 2016

Derra wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

I think your gear selection is going to vary depending on which campaign you play. On AZ you dont get the benefit of CP multipliers which is why I am currently running Seducers over Lich (That and the fact I can't get a group to farm for the pieces). Why ZOS decided to kill the economy and make everything BoP is beyond me.

-Makkir

Even without any bonuses at all (meaning no piece of light armor, no highelf, no poiton, no resource buff) the lich procc provides 9940 magica over 20s.

You would need to cast 41 spells with an average base magica cost of 3k to achieve that with seducer. It´s unlikely to find a scenario where seducer is mathematically better than lich even on no CP campaign.

Like he said. Seducer set is craftable. I started lich farming last night and picked up two pieces that weren't training or prosperous. No jewelry. This grind is going to take weeks because I can't buy or sell the extra pieces.

At least I got the lich resto staff, defending trait, which is exactly what I wanted for the buff bar. And I only got that because the one stam guy in the group didn't need it.

Anyone who wants to get together and farm vCOH, friend me and we'll hit it up. If any of us get a piece we don't need (a third ring or a second necklace) we'll share the wealth.

Waffennacht · October 2016

@Minalan just use my build and solo vCOH, it'll make your farm much faster. I know it did for me

Biro123 · October 2016

Nice. Been looking for build ideas for my upcoming magsorc.

I'm finding it difficult to choose what to fill my bars with, there just seems to be so many skills that I just can't be without..

I really like defensive rune and currently run it in my overload bar for both my mag and stam sorc (along with rapids) - saved me a few times from ganks, especially if on horseback. But used it a LOT on my main bar in BWB while still unlocking other skills. It was fantastic to refresh during combat, giving regular breaks from the pressure. I'm convinced that it doesn't actually fire while your opponent has cc immunity - which is really nice.

Hm.. actually I think I may have ran into you last night a couple of times in TF. Hard to kill, and hard to recover from that first initial burst.

Some questions though. With so many sets now that offer significant bonuses to spell damage (sometimes only in the destro staff) - what are the pro's/cons of stacking magicka vs spell dmg nowadays?

Been thinking of trying some off-the-wall ideas to try once up and running and I have a bit more magsorc experience in TF - but really not sure if they will work out at all.. Been toying with ways to 'protect' the shields - Reactive maybe, when it comes out in jewelry + a s+b backbar with low slash, perhaps combined with trainee gear for a bit more health + stam (for low slash)too. Perhaps shuffle as well. Thinking that while under pressure, if I can reduce the damage done to the shields, they last longer, letting me go on the offensive more.. Could that sound feasible?

Derra · October 2016

Minalan wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

I think your gear selection is going to vary depending on which campaign you play. On AZ you dont get the benefit of CP multipliers which is why I am currently running Seducers over Lich (That and the fact I can't get a group to farm for the pieces). Why ZOS decided to kill the economy and make everything BoP is beyond me.

-Makkir

Even without any bonuses at all (meaning no piece of light armor, no highelf, no poiton, no resource buff) the lich procc provides 9940 magica over 20s.

You would need to cast 41 spells with an average base magica cost of 3k to achieve that with seducer. It´s unlikely to find a scenario where seducer is mathematically better than lich even on no CP campaign.

Like he said. Seducer set is craftable. I started lich farming last night and picked up two pieces that weren't training or prosperous. No jewelry. This grind is going to take weeks because I can't buy or sell the extra pieces.

At least I got the lich resto staff, defending trait, which is exactly what I wanted for the buff bar. And I only got that because the one stam guy in the group didn't need it.

Anyone who wants to get together and farm vCOH, friend me and we'll hit it up. If any of us get a piece we don't need (a third ring or a second necklace) we'll share the wealth.

Wtb that staff - farming weapons is tedious. You already achieved the hardest part.

Minalan · October 2016

Derra wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

I think your gear selection is going to vary depending on which campaign you play. On AZ you dont get the benefit of CP multipliers which is why I am currently running Seducers over Lich (That and the fact I can't get a group to farm for the pieces). Why ZOS decided to kill the economy and make everything BoP is beyond me.

-Makkir

Even without any bonuses at all (meaning no piece of light armor, no highelf, no poiton, no resource buff) the lich procc provides 9940 magica over 20s.

You would need to cast 41 spells with an average base magica cost of 3k to achieve that with seducer. It´s unlikely to find a scenario where seducer is mathematically better than lich even on no CP campaign.

Like he said. Seducer set is craftable. I started lich farming last night and picked up two pieces that weren't training or prosperous. No jewelry. This grind is going to take weeks because I can't buy or sell the extra pieces.

At least I got the lich resto staff, defending trait, which is exactly what I wanted for the buff bar. And I only got that because the one stam guy in the group didn't need it.

Anyone who wants to get together and farm vCOH, friend me and we'll hit it up. If any of us get a piece we don't need (a third ring or a second necklace) we'll share the wealth.

Wtb that staff - farming weapons is tedious. You already achieved the hardest part.

I got a ring two nights ago, and then nothing but leviathan/ebon junk last night.

Hit me up and we'll farm it. Two jewelry pieces to go :-P

NordSwordnBoard · October 2016

My friend gave me a lich dagger. Its the only pointy lich weapon Ive even seen from CoH. My sorcerer is getting a vitamin D defeciency from the dungeon grind.

Got a Spinner and elegant sword with healing trait so far, but really nothing good on the sword search, and no 1h swords at all from bop dungeon drops.

Im glad Im after more than one set, otherwise this would be really dull repeating the same content over and over.

pjwb16_ESO · October 2016

Derra wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

I'm running Seducer/Spinner right now, I'm wondering if julianos/lich will do any better damage wise?

Also, does anyone know if impen really took a hit this patch? I read that now it takes 100 points for 1% crit resist instead of 66. If that's the case, then this is huge.

Lich spinner will definetly do better as lich beats seducer in every scenario flatout.

Spinner vs julianos is a little tricky basically depending on your CP allocation and enemy resistances. Up until ~15k resistance julianos should/will be ahead dmg wise than spinner is better. However spinner does not work against opponents using shields (even when the shields are down a light armor player withour resi buff is fully pierces 100% of the time) whereas julianos does.
I personally prefer julianos while others prefer spinner. It´s entirely personal flavour in my opinion.

With a Fire Staff and Destro Ultimatea for Open World one could even consider to run Burning Spellweave over Julianos tho its alot harder to get + probably grothdarr which would then also proc BS

Derra · October 2016

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

I'm running Seducer/Spinner right now, I'm wondering if julianos/lich will do any better damage wise?

Also, does anyone know if impen really took a hit this patch? I read that now it takes 100 points for 1% crit resist instead of 66. If that's the case, then this is huge.

Lich spinner will definetly do better as lich beats seducer in every scenario flatout.

Spinner vs julianos is a little tricky basically depending on your CP allocation and enemy resistances. Up until ~15k resistance julianos should/will be ahead dmg wise than spinner is better. However spinner does not work against opponents using shields (even when the shields are down a light armor player withour resi buff is fully pierces 100% of the time) whereas julianos does.
I personally prefer julianos while others prefer spinner. It´s entirely personal flavour in my opinion.

With a Fire Staff and Destro Ultimatea for Open World one could even consider to run Burning Spellweave over Julianos tho its alot harder to get + probably grothdarr which would then also proc BS

Infernal guardian proccs it just fine aswell. Destro ulti isn´t needed.

pjwb16_ESO · October 2016

Derra wrote: »

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

I'm running Seducer/Spinner right now, I'm wondering if julianos/lich will do any better damage wise?

Also, does anyone know if impen really took a hit this patch? I read that now it takes 100 points for 1% crit resist instead of 66. If that's the case, then this is huge.

Lich spinner will definetly do better as lich beats seducer in every scenario flatout.

Spinner vs julianos is a little tricky basically depending on your CP allocation and enemy resistances. Up until ~15k resistance julianos should/will be ahead dmg wise than spinner is better. However spinner does not work against opponents using shields (even when the shields are down a light armor player withour resi buff is fully pierces 100% of the time) whereas julianos does.
I personally prefer julianos while others prefer spinner. It´s entirely personal flavour in my opinion.

With a Fire Staff and Destro Ultimatea for Open World one could even consider to run Burning Spellweave over Julianos tho its alot harder to get + probably grothdarr which would then also proc BS

Infernal guardian proccs it just fine aswell. Destro ulti isn´t needed.

well i was just alluding to destro ult cause you said in open world its probably better and more useful then soul assault therefore im jus tpointing out more synergies. not saying that it would be mandatory, well i didnt play mag sorc anymore since DB too

oTheTownDrunk · October 2016

What do you use vampire for?

Waffennacht · October 2016

oTheTownDrunk wrote: »

What do you use vampire for?

Undying passive, potential mist form, regen stat bonus at the least

SirSmokey · October 2016

Can i just ask what you guys would do with out a malestrom staff. On the plus sid e i have a set of lich

Derra · October 2016

SirSmokey wrote: »

Can i just ask what you guys would do with out a malestrom staff. On the plus sid e i have a set of lich

2p infernal guardian/skoria/grothdarr + 5 lich (5p as restoration staff on backbar) + one of the following:
5 rattlecage (destruction staff mainbar + 1p heavy + 3arcane jewelry)
5 mothers sorrow (destruction staff mainbar)
5 spinner (destru... - you get the picture)
5 julianos (...)
5 treasurehunter
5 anything you want to wear really - preferably with a 5p bonus that is either procced and carries over to your backbar or is only needed on your frontbar.

ericprydz82ub17_ESO · December 2016

Forgive me if it was asked already but what poisons would I be using with this build?