need help from pvp gods!

rteezy · December 2016

HEllo, new player here (about 3 weeks)

I decided to play a build that isnt really "meta" atm, despite still using Grothdar proc. Mag dk dualwield/resto staff 5/1/1 Cloth. Not the smartest choice for a new player that wants to focus on pvp, but hey, i always had a thing for the underdog spec AND apparently magdks will get some luuuuve in the future balancing patch.

Now, im only at 220 cp, and despite playing in AS campaign, i know CP still affects your main stats (right? i dont knwo by how much, but it seems to increase max mag/stam/health based on cp points spent)

im running 2 groth, 5 burning spellweave, 5 sun inpen everything

my DW weps are sharpened and gold (not swords cuz nobody got gold for that crazyness), but the rest of the gear is purple (full gold magika enchants)

Basically, i think my burst and sustained are pretty good (with all stars alligned and all procs up my spellpower is over 4k and i see some good numbers), but i seem to lack knowldge when it comes to survivability (and being in cloth doesnt help).
I use tri pots and immovability pots (health/mag), and im using blue food cuz my health is too low ( 22kish, with 34k mag)

I do have a background in high rated pvp and i understand the basic concepts of lign of sight etc etc...BUT, how do you guys survive for sooo long?
I know it depends on build/gear/skill etc but i see some people surviving 1 vs x forever (some could literally last forever if they decided to never risk going offensive)

I cant afford perma blocking, because 1- no shield and 2-10k stam

should i block, hard, spam embers until i can get a good stun and go offensive? what about when its 1 vs X?Some people seem to not take damage at all.

(im obviously talking about non-gank builds, i think those are broken, even if i INSTANTLY break the stealth stun, if im not dead i will have less then 2k health left after a 20k bow heavy,, and thats before prcs and NB ulti, i font think even heavy armour would help there)

So, tips on surviving pls

FloppyTouch · December 2016

Don't use a dueling build in open world having high damage does nothing if ur dead I do great with 2,300 unbuffed spell damage

Try heavy seducer set and use just BSW also try sword and shield helps a lot.

Staying alive is embers inhale wings

Use tri stat food u need the Stam

Also vampire mist form is great for escape and the passives like taken less damage when low on health can give you that extra time for that ember heal to go off.

I'm not a pvp god but been playing solo open world pvp for 2.5 years with mdk

rteezy · December 2016

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Don't use a dueling build in open world having high damage does nothing if ur dead I do great with 2,300 unbuffed spell damage

Try heavy seducer set and use just BSW also try sword and shield helps a lot.

Staying alive is embers inhale wings

Use tri stat food u need the Stam

Also vampire mist form is great for escape and the passives like taken less damage when low on health can give you that extra time for that ember heal to go off.

I'm not a pvp god but been playing solo open world pvp for 2.5 years with mdk

thanks for the reply!
I am a vampire, btu with magelight and entropic i cant find a free slot for mists

rteezy · December 2016

Also, how do some peopel get to 40 k mag in cyrodil? players with the same gear as me have it and im only at 35k

is all that cp (even in the non cp campaign)?

FloppyTouch · December 2016

Undaunted passive 6% max stats for 5-1-1
Mage mundus
Gold enchants
Mage guild skills like shooting star, entropy
Being a dark elf helps too

I'm at 42k max magic

I use whip,embers,talons,mage light, fossilize
Ult shooting star front bar

Wings,inhale,GDB,mist form,entropy
Ult bats back bar

But I also use double sword and shield

I'm not home but my stats are about
42k max magic
25k health
16k Stam

900 mag recovery
And like 2300 SD
Unbuffed

Waffennacht · December 2016

rteezy wrote: »

Also, how do some peopel get to 40 k mag in cyrodil? players with the same gear as me have it and im only at 35k

is all that cp (even in the non cp campaign)?

To answer that, it could be more CP, meaning higher stats, undaunted passives give percentage boost, abilities like innerlight and the mage guild passives, also food choices, if you're a different class, class passives.

Have you tried using the light armor skill dampen magic? It's a ward and you're both magicka and light armor, it could bolster your survivability.

LeifErickson · December 2016

Stats are not increased in Azuras by cp because cp is disabled. In my opinion, you are building way too much into damage. You don't really need that much damage in Azuras and should build more into sustain and survivability. A good way to do that is to try heavy armor and if you would rather use light then build to perma block or use wards and try to heal with burning embers or healing ward.

I like your thread title.

NBrookus · December 2016

You are not surviving because you are really, really squishy and this is a proc burst meta. Sorcs can cope better because they have mobility. A mag DK has to usually stand and defend, and that's where heavy armor is more powerful that the extra damage and sustain you get from light. There are a handful of players that do well on mag DK in light armor, but this is superior skills at play.

The other option is to zerg with tons of heals and be a destro ult spammer.

geonsocal · December 2016

holy cow - more sustain, less damage, more survivability - is this really a pvp thread?

kinda hard to be good at pvp when you're laying on the ground waiting for someone to rez you or riding your mount for a few minutes to get back to the fight...

mag DK'S have access to better shields than mag sorcs - 5 light seems to be survivable...

IlCanis_LupuslI · December 2016

rteezy wrote: »

HEllo, new player here (about 3 weeks)

I decided to play a build that isnt really "meta" atm, despite still using Grothdar proc. Mag dk dualwield/resto staff 5/1/1 Cloth. Not the smartest choice for a new player that wants to focus on pvp, but hey, i always had a thing for the underdog spec AND apparently magdks will get some luuuuve in the future balancing patch.

Now, im only at 220 cp, and despite playing in AS campaign, i know CP still affects your main stats (right? i dont knwo by how much, but it seems to increase max mag/stam/health based on cp points spent)

im running 2 groth, 5 burning spellweave, 5 sun inpen everything

my DW weps are sharpened and gold (not swords cuz nobody got gold for that crazyness), but the rest of the gear is purple (full gold magika enchants)

Basically, i think my burst and sustained are pretty good (with all stars alligned and all procs up my spellpower is over 4k and i see some good numbers), but i seem to lack knowldge when it comes to survivability (and being in cloth doesnt help).
I use tri pots and immovability pots (health/mag), and im using blue food cuz my health is too low ( 22kish, with 34k mag)

I do have a background in high rated pvp and i understand the basic concepts of lign of sight etc etc...BUT, how do you guys survive for sooo long?
I know it depends on build/gear/skill etc but i see some people surviving 1 vs x forever (some could literally last forever if they decided to never risk going offensive)

I cant afford perma blocking, because 1- no shield and 2-10k stam

should i block, hard, spam embers until i can get a good stun and go offensive? what about when its 1 vs X?Some people seem to not take damage at all.

(im obviously talking about non-gank builds, i think those are broken, even if i INSTANTLY break the stealth stun, if im not dead i will have less then 2k health left after a 20k bow heavy,, and thats before prcs and NB ulti, i font think even heavy armour would help there)

So, tips on surviving pls

1vx is basically out substaining every one else... And it only works if there isn't a healer on the enemy team... (trust me I am one lol)

THEDKEXPERIENCE · December 2016

rteezy wrote: »

Also, how do some peopel get to 40 k mag in cyrodil? players with the same gear as me have it and im only at 35k

is all that cp (even in the non cp campaign)?

A lot of it is CP, yes. Still on my Magplar I can get to 46k magic in 5 heavy armor without any Undaunted passives. If you want to do it you're gonna have to equip your mages guild abilities, gold out your gear, get to max CP and sacrifice something else. I'm like the only guy in Cyrodiil who doesn't run any impen, or health enchants. I stack magic and spell power glyphs, sacrifice regen and generally am considered a crazy person.

Jsmalls · December 2016

Add elusive mist into your build (if you're a vamp) Dk's lack mobility, which means getting overwhelmed quickly without being able to change positions.

That being said Dk's are probably one of the worst 1 v X classes atm due to lack of burst capability (I'm sure the destro ultimate is helping with this atm, but that's an expensive ultimate), and lack of mobility/area stun. When I'm 1 v Xing streak is a LIFE SAVER. Even if the stun is short it still disorients them and I'm taking less damage due to this every 4 or so seconds (plz ZoS unnerf my offensive streaking).

I don't play a mDk so I can't offer anymore help than that unfortunately.