I use the set. It's fun. However it is very very broken.

1. The proc rate isn't balanced by any means whatsoever.

2. It ignores LOS and goes through walls and ceilings. I don't care that it flies over rocks that Stamina users are humping as hard as they can. It's a mortar round and it's supposed to fly up and over an obstacle.

3. In open Cyrodiil PVP so long as you're in combat it seeks cloaked players. I don't care much because cloaked players are one shotting people and it's ridiculous. They have one counter for a light armor magicka user and you bet your backside that I'm using it.

The set is just another thing in a Zergs toolkit to zerg Nbs/ppl down.

Well, to be fair, Magelight is so incredibly weak and d-pots so incredibly short, there needs to be a better hard counter to cloak. I personally can crawl out of the red ring on my sorc before it hits, so de-cloaking and denying LoS BS are the main benefits to me and should be strong.
I emphathize with magblades, but that's more to the class kinda underperforming at the moment. I have zero compassion for stamblades because reasons and explosions.

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Well, to be fair, Magelight is so incredibly weak and d-pots so incredibly short, there needs to be a better hard counter to cloak. I personally can crawl out of the red ring on my sorc before it hits, so de-cloaking and denying LoS BS are the main benefits to me and should be strong.
I emphathize with magblades, but that's more to the class kinda underperforming at the moment. I have zero compassion for stamblades because reasons and explosions.

I know your kinda new or don't know how to play so well but mage light and det pots work really well I can keep magelight up on nightblades all day if you can't your doin somethin wrong

I can tell you what I'm doing wrong, I'm not slotting a useless ability to increase my odds against a very particular class. D-pots come with immo, so that's viable, but you are not pinning down a nightblade long enough to finish the fight in that time window. Though that's more to how dodge and LoS and expedition/sprint work.
A counter is needed that doesn't cripple a build and works consistently hroughout a longer time period, and Infernal Guardian does that.

Waffennacht wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

I have indeed been pulled out of stealth from it (I was not in combat at all, nor was I even in combat previous to being hit). I'll take videos for you the next time it happens. Also, the second the red ring appears I get pulled out, not from the actual mortar, so @joe.smith21b14_ESO is right.

And that is something I'm all for changing, quite frankly I
1. Out of my own personal hatred for LoS (and the fact it's a mortar) makes me want this part to not change
2. Based on dps the set does not need a damage reduction - right on par with the magicka versions (grothdar, skoria)

But that stealth thing etc can/needs to be changed.


Edit: just an fyi about my suspicions @Stoopid_Nwah is in my duels (i keep preferencing this because it may make a difference) I have not seen it take someone out that cloaked - my example would be I SA, 2 secs go by, NB cloaks stopping the SA, at this point I can ward all day and not mortar them. And I completely believe you, no get a clip, I trust you

I'm fine with the los stuff as well as I agree it's a mortar why wouldn't it be able to launch...as for the stealth thing, it's just annoying vs sorcs with streak because the second they see the red aoe they can safely assume I'm there/in the area and streak right on over (effectively tracking me wherever they feel like because the range is so long on IG and streak is fast and doesn't need a target).

As for why you aren't noticing it proccing in duels, I'm not sure. I never duel with my gankbuild or with cloak (no one ever should haha) so I haven't really noticed it. Could it be that it doesn't proc off of cloaked enemies but it does seek them out/include them in distance calculations for the actual mortar? Just because in a duel, they would be your only enemy whereas in Cyrodiil there are many more enemies around, so IG could be proccing off of visible nearby enemies, but including stealthed players in x radius for where the mortars actually land. If that makes sense...

I know for sure that I have been on the outskirts of a battle and been hit with IG while not in combat, and I know that I have also ganked someone, taken damage from a nearby sorc, cloaked off and was hit/tracked down with IG while being the only player around (so it procced while I was cloaking). So I would definitely say if a nb is in combat that it can both proc and hit, even if they are the only target in the area. This is why it's weird then, following that logic, that a nb cloaking in a duel wouldn't get hit as they would indeed be "in combat". Seems it sort of nullifies my previous idea above of why it wouldn't.

I don't know, now I'm just confusing myself .

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Stoopid_Nwah what I have discovered is a "window" of the IG proc.

Example. In dungeons or in duels, I can cast ward outside of combat and if I Then start combat within moments (don't know exact time elapsed feels like at least full second between) IG can Then proc, almost like a pre combat proc.

I wonder if that has anything to do with it?

That is also bizarre...the whole way in which the set works should probably be looked at. Keep the mortars lobbing over walls, but to proc there should have to be an unstealthed enemy in x radius and the actual mortar calculation of who they hit should not include stealthed players unless they are "in combat" (and the only reason I think including stealthed players in combat is even fair, as normally I wouldn't, is because of how quickly stealthed players can move, to the point most counters to stealth won't work). I'd also change it so it doesn't pull people out of stealth until the actual mortar hits; it should be enough of a giveaway of location that it would telegraph the red aoe where the player is.

The set needs a complete redo. The fact that it ignores LoS is the only thing keeping it from being completely and ridiculously OP, though. If you're the only enemy in range, don't get kited into a close space because the splash damage is ridiculous when it's focused on one person.