Are classes balanced?

Yeichi · October 2016

I've seen people complain about sets and stamina being stronger, but I don't know about classes.
I'm having a hard time choosing, either stam NB or stam DK.
Can both be as lethal as the other?
I know it can depend on the situation, but lets say 1v1 PVP, is 1 class better then others?

Does it just depend on the players skill?

RebornV3x · October 2016

It depends really all stam classes are pretty close when it comes to a 1V1 just pick the one you like most. Race is also pretty important atleast when it comes to endgame stuff. But in update 12 player skill doesn't really matter most duels are decided by who can fire off there ultimate first and whos gear sets procs first.

Mojmir · October 2016

In zero gravity,yes.

nordsavage · October 2016

For PvE there is more symmetry then there has been for quite sometime. As for PvP who cares, this is Elder Scrolls. The changes that PvP bring about usually lessen the game.

Yeichi · October 2016

Alrighty, thanks guys

HoloYoitsu · October 2016

nordsavage wrote: »

For PvE there is more symmetry then there has been for quite sometime. As for PvP who cares, this is Elder Scrolls. The changes that PvP bring about usually lessen the game.

Again with the false narrative about pvp players being the ones responsible for all the big pve nerfs?

Stoopid_Nwah · October 2016

For what it's worth...from a PVP perspecitve, I find stam nbs more exciting with a fantastic gap closer and their own class spammable, but dks feel sturdier and have better heals. With a nb you can get some insane burst from stealth and have escape options, with dks you have a lot of sustained damage and will have to stand your ground more.

1v1 I don't struggle against stam nbs if I'm aware they're there/avoid their initial burst whereas stam dks that run s&b I avoid.

Van_0S · October 2016

No.
Classes are not balanced. Stamina players are stronger than Magicka and will continue to be so.....
Skill doesn't exist without proper build.

FloppyTouch · October 2016

What's better a Stam build or a Stam build hmmm I say Stam build is really good against a Stam build bc Stam and proc sets. Stam have a hard time fighting a Stam build when that Stam build proc set goes off first. So I would go with a Stam class they are pretty even until the procs go off.

Best part about Stam is you will kill the 3 magic build that still pvp fast so I would say this game is really balance when it comes to classes as long as it's Stam.

mtwiggz · October 2016

Classes, races, magicka and stamina. None of them are balanced. Yet in perspective roles each one can do a job better than another.

nordsavage · October 2016

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

For PvE there is more symmetry then there has been for quite sometime. As for PvP who cares, this is Elder Scrolls. The changes that PvP bring about usually lessen the game.

Again with the false narrative about pvp players being the ones responsible for all the big pve nerfs?

Care for me to list the changes that PvP brought about that have negatively effected PvE? Here is a few to start, no stam regen and cost increases while blocking, sprinting and dodging with similar happenings for magicka abilities like streak, poorly reworked heavy armor that includes wrath replacing block cost reduction, reductions to healing abilities, overall magicka class reduction in effectiveness, animation canceling changes that cause poor functionality and locking into full heavy attacks while weaving, increases to resource management and reduction to recovery, CP being capped and I could say more.

Call it a false narrative again @HoloYoitsu and I'll list another dozen. Been here since pre-release and beta I have witnessed it all.

Stoopid_Nwah · October 2016

nordsavage wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

For PvE there is more symmetry then there has been for quite sometime. As for PvP who cares, this is Elder Scrolls. The changes that PvP bring about usually lessen the game.

Again with the false narrative about pvp players being the ones responsible for all the big pve nerfs?

Care for me to list the changes that PvP brought about that have negatively effected PvE? Here is a few to start, no stam regen and cost increases while blocking, sprinting and dodging with similar happenings for magicka abilities like streak, poorly reworked heavy armor that includes wrath replacing block cost reduction, reductions to healing abilities, overall magicka class reduction in effectiveness, animation canceling changes that cause poor functionality and locking into full heavy attacks while weaving, increases to resource management and reduction to recovery, CP being capped and I could say more.

Call it a false narrative again @HoloYoitsu and I'll list another dozen. Been here since pre-release and beta I have witnessed it all.

While I agree pvp and pve should be balanced separately, does anyone really need things to be easier in pve? We already faceroll everything with the exception of vmol.

nordsavage · October 2016

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

For PvE there is more symmetry then there has been for quite sometime. As for PvP who cares, this is Elder Scrolls. The changes that PvP bring about usually lessen the game.

Again with the false narrative about pvp players being the ones responsible for all the big pve nerfs?

Care for me to list the changes that PvP brought about that have negatively effected PvE? Here is a few to start, no stam regen and cost increases while blocking, sprinting and dodging with similar happenings for magicka abilities like streak, poorly reworked heavy armor that includes wrath replacing block cost reduction, reductions to healing abilities, overall magicka class reduction in effectiveness, animation canceling changes that cause poor functionality and locking into full heavy attacks while weaving, increases to resource management and reduction to recovery, CP being capped and I could say more.

Call it a false narrative again @HoloYoitsu and I'll list another dozen. Been here since pre-release and beta I have witnessed it all.

While I agree pvp and pve should be balanced separately, does anyone really need things to be easier in pve? We already faceroll everything with the exception of vmol.

I didn't say anything about difficulty and good players can always bull through content. I am merely pointing out that PvP changes very rarely benefit PvE and that those changes impact function. Oh by the way here are a few more; AoE caps, DK chains misfiring due to changes in height limitations as well as other gap closers, CC immunity, reduction to ultimate generation, negative changes to the CP table such as Ironclad and Shadow Ward being swapped.

Belicourt · October 2016

nordsavage wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

For PvE there is more symmetry then there has been for quite sometime. As for PvP who cares, this is Elder Scrolls. The changes that PvP bring about usually lessen the game.

Again with the false narrative about pvp players being the ones responsible for all the big pve nerfs?

Care for me to list the changes that PvP brought about that have negatively effected PvE? Here is a few to start, no stam regen and cost increases while blocking, sprinting and dodging with similar happenings for magicka abilities like streak, poorly reworked heavy armor that includes wrath replacing block cost reduction, reductions to healing abilities, overall magicka class reduction in effectiveness, animation canceling changes that cause poor functionality and locking into full heavy attacks while weaving, increases to resource management and reduction to recovery, CP being capped and I could say more.

Call it a false narrative again @HoloYoitsu and I'll list another dozen. Been here since pre-release and beta I have witnessed it all.

While I agree pvp and pve should be balanced separately, does anyone really need things to be easier in pve? We already faceroll everything with the exception of vmol.

I didn't say anything about difficulty and good players can always bull through content. I am merely pointing out that PvP changes very rarely benefit PvE and that those changes impact function. Oh by the way here are a few more; AoE caps, DK chains misfiring due to changes in height limitations as well as other gap closers, CC immunity, reduction to ultimate generation, negative changes to the CP table such as Ironclad and Shadow Ward being swapped.

Why are you in the pvp forum then?

arkansas_ESO · October 2016

nordsavage wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

For PvE there is more symmetry then there has been for quite sometime. As for PvP who cares, this is Elder Scrolls. The changes that PvP bring about usually lessen the game.

Again with the false narrative about pvp players being the ones responsible for all the big pve nerfs?

Care for me to list the changes that PvP brought about that have negatively effected PvE? Here is a few to start, no stam regen and cost increases while blocking, sprinting and dodging with similar happenings for magicka abilities like streak, poorly reworked heavy armor that includes wrath replacing block cost reduction, reductions to healing abilities, overall magicka class reduction in effectiveness, animation canceling changes that cause poor functionality and locking into full heavy attacks while weaving, increases to resource management and reduction to recovery, CP being capped and I could say more.

Call it a false narrative again @HoloYoitsu and I'll list another dozen. Been here since pre-release and beta I have witnessed it all.

While I agree pvp and pve should be balanced separately, does anyone really need things to be easier in pve? We already faceroll everything with the exception of vmol.

I didn't say anything about difficulty and good players can always bull through content. I am merely pointing out that PvP changes very rarely benefit PvE and that those changes impact function. Oh by the way here are a few more; AoE caps, DK chains misfiring due to changes in height limitations as well as other gap closers, CC immunity, reduction to ultimate generation, negative changes to the CP table such as Ironclad and Shadow Ward being swapped.

The nerf to ultimate generation was because PVE tanks were complaining they couldn't spam standards like the DPS...

Also, CP being capped is the fault of PVPers? I remember a few of my PVE friends quitting the game because they saw competitive raiding becoming nothing more than "which group of twelve people can grind the hardest."

Aiphaton · October 2016

Not In Eso

Dredlord · October 2016

There is no reason pve and pvp needs to be balanced separately.

If a pvp balance change is needed then mob difficulty can be changed to compensate.

Classes still need to balanced in pve so we dont have class exclusions in top end group content.

Qbiken · October 2016

I would say classes are but sets isn´t (generally speaking ofc).

WillhelmBlack · October 2016

Its pretty much the build (plus what poisons and potions you use). Class, mag or Stam then the player.

If proc sets didn't function or 5 pc set bonuses all together, we had soft caps back, then we would have better balance (although we'd still have the classes with Major Mending which is broken AF) and how effective you are in battle would be 100% the player and the skills selected by the player.

Although in 1.5 we had the soft caps, in 1.6 the best PvP builds were max stats and skills used, it was also the best balanced/ best PvP we had. The ideal set up for my Magplar back then was 3 x 4 pc sets. 3 sets of max magic, recovery and spell power. All armour now has OP bonuses, which you'd be stupid to pass up. Viper, Velidreth, Tremorscale, Grothdarr, Infernal Guardian, Transmutation are just some examples but there are many, many more.

Yeichi · October 2016

Thanks so much everyone for your facts and opinions !
It's so helpful !

Dredlord · October 2016

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Its pretty much the build (plus what poisons and potions you use). Class, mag or Stam then the player.

If proc sets didn't function or 5 pc set bonuses all together, we had soft caps back, then we would have better balance (although we'd still have the classes with Major Mending which is broken AF) and how effective you are in battle would be 100% the player and the skills selected by the player.

Although in 1.5 we had the soft caps, in 1.6 the best PvP builds were max stats and skills used, it was also the best balanced/ best PvP we had. The ideal set up for my Magplar back then was 3 x 4 pc sets. 3 sets of max magic, recovery and spell power. All armour now has OP bonuses, which you'd be stupid to pass up. Viper, Velidreth, Tremorscale, Grothdarr, Infernal Guardian, Transmutation are just some examples but there are many, many more.

1.6 was definately NOT the best balance/pvp we have had. Softcaps removed created a metric *** ton of imbalance. They are still nerfing things because of that patch.

melloni_aleb16_ESO · October 2016

Also some builds magicka are totaly broken ...many run with 45-50k magicka ...infinite stacking shield also with good sustain and very good dps .
For a stamina player without meta-build-proc it's impossible to " consume their shields ".

this thing if I remember correctly it was also said by Legendary Mage ..

surely :

-it must be possible only one proc with cooldown of 8-10 sec ( not multiple proc ex : veli-widow-viper)
- S/S and Heavy armour are a DIFENSIVE BUILD , low damage and low sustain ..it's for tank not for dps

when we talk about balance we have to look at 360 degrees ...also the magicka class they need to be revised ( NOT buff )..., all to complain of cancer build stamina, but not a word about the people who made the rank 40-50 ava with bomb-blade ( another build/setup cancer )

arkansas_ESO · October 2016

melloni_aleb16_ESO wrote: »

Also some builds magicka are totaly broken ...many run with 45-50k magicka ...infinite stacking shield also with good sustain and very good dps .

This isn't a magic exclusive thing, you can achieve similar results with stamina without touching a proc set.

5pc Black Rose, 5pc Draugr Hulk, 1pc max stam monster set, 1pc max stam monster set. S&B/2H, weapon enchant not procced, stam sorc with Bound Armaments but I'd probably prefer to run it on a stam DK. Regen looks low on paper but keep in mind you've got Redguard's Adrenaline Rush and heavy armor passives to sustain you.

acw37162 · November 2016

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

For PvE there is more symmetry then there has been for quite sometime. As for PvP who cares, this is Elder Scrolls. The changes that PvP bring about usually lessen the game.

Again with the false narrative about pvp players being the ones responsible for all the big pve nerfs?

Care for me to list the changes that PvP brought about that have negatively effected PvE? Here is a few to start, no stam regen and cost increases while blocking, sprinting and dodging with similar happenings for magicka abilities like streak, poorly reworked heavy armor that includes wrath replacing block cost reduction, reductions to healing abilities, overall magicka class reduction in effectiveness, animation canceling changes that cause poor functionality and locking into full heavy attacks while weaving, increases to resource management and reduction to recovery, CP being capped and I could say more.

Call it a false narrative again @HoloYoitsu and I'll list another dozen. Been here since pre-release and beta I have witnessed it all.

While I agree pvp and pve should be balanced separately, does anyone really need things to be easier in pve? We already faceroll everything with the exception of vmol.

By "We" you mean "You" and I know this will shock a lot of people but a rather subustantial portion of the people who play this game struggle in most Verteran Dungeons.

I realize that when you get you to certain level of play and experience you feel the game is dumbed down but in truth a majority of players are not face rolling everything up to VMOL.

Go Group Finder the DLC dungons on the daily and don't leave when you see the group is a bunch of CP 200's.

dsalter · November 2016

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

melloni_aleb16_ESO wrote: »

Also some builds magicka are totaly broken ...many run with 45-50k magicka ...infinite stacking shield also with good sustain and very good dps .

This isn't a magic exclusive thing, you can achieve similar results with stamina without touching a proc set.

5pc Black Rose, 5pc Draugr Hulk, 1pc max stam monster set, 1pc max stam monster set. S&B/2H, weapon enchant not procced, stam sorc with Bound Armaments but I'd probably prefer to run it on a stam DK. Regen looks low on paper but keep in mind you've got Redguard's Adrenaline Rush and heavy armor passives to sustain you.

horse needs feeding

but games very unbalanced, sets are to powerful atm, sets make the player atm not assist them. they are a heavy duty crutch not an a perk.

sets have been abit little boosts that help out for short durations. atm they practically win fights for you. armor that wins for the player is a pi.... well you get the idea.

but the fact that burst is also at an all time high even without sets because sod soft caps is just crippling pvp more. you either build trollolol tank builds or i win burst sets where the first guy to start his animation cancel spam wins.

meanwhile us magicka users sit in the back and wave sticks and hope stuff dies.

Stoopid_Nwah · November 2016

acw37162 wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

For PvE there is more symmetry then there has been for quite sometime. As for PvP who cares, this is Elder Scrolls. The changes that PvP bring about usually lessen the game.

Again with the false narrative about pvp players being the ones responsible for all the big pve nerfs?

Care for me to list the changes that PvP brought about that have negatively effected PvE? Here is a few to start, no stam regen and cost increases while blocking, sprinting and dodging with similar happenings for magicka abilities like streak, poorly reworked heavy armor that includes wrath replacing block cost reduction, reductions to healing abilities, overall magicka class reduction in effectiveness, animation canceling changes that cause poor functionality and locking into full heavy attacks while weaving, increases to resource management and reduction to recovery, CP being capped and I could say more.

Call it a false narrative again @HoloYoitsu and I'll list another dozen. Been here since pre-release and beta I have witnessed it all.

While I agree pvp and pve should be balanced separately, does anyone really need things to be easier in pve? We already faceroll everything with the exception of vmol.

By "We" you mean "You" and I know this will shock a lot of people but a rather subustantial portion of the people who play this game struggle in most Verteran Dungeons.

I realize that when you get you to certain level of play and experience you feel the game is dumbed down but in truth a majority of players are not face rolling everything up to VMOL.

Go Group Finder the DLC dungons on the daily and don't leave when you see the group is a bunch of CP 200's.

I do. Do I carry groups sometimes? Sure. But I never kick or leave a group based on level.

But the point here is that in pve we fight brainless NPCs and mechanics and spawn locations that we can memorize. Most of the time, with some practice and effort, all content is doable for everyone. If we need adjustments, they can be made (give bosses more or less health, change a mechanic, etc...) but in pvp we fight humans. So if people flock towards an obviously overpowered set, skill, whatever it may be, then adjustments need to be made or the health of pvp suffers. I know that while I still refuse to abandon my magnb, it just doesn't feel all that fun to only run into shuffle proc bots, 70k health tanks, and beaming Templars. It feels extremely boring.