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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861
Bow need attention. Mainskill with shorter animation?
Lifecode666
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So what I mean is that there is no Ranger/Bow builds that is viable.
Almost everyone that use bow has it on backbar for endless hail and poison injection (Dots) then swap to frontbar or something like that..
Bow would be more interesting if we had a spammable skill that we could weave.
Then i think more people would use bow on frontbar instead and "RANGERBUILDS" would be an option.
Almost everyone that use bow has it on backbar for endless hail and poison injection (Dots) then swap to frontbar or something like that..
Bow would be more interesting if we had a spammable skill that we could weave.
Then i think more people would use bow on frontbar instead and "RANGERBUILDS" would be an option.
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✭sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »Are you sure you are talking about PVP? People dont use endless hail here.
They do. Not saying it's good, but they DO use it. Witnessed it myself last night :<
Archer/Sniper is a common bow-build. Not saying it's an interesting or entertaining playstyle, but people DO sit on rocks and spam snipe all day.Ignorance is the greatest weapon of tyranny.
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✭✭Outside duels archers are very viable. You wait in stealth or hide behind your front lines and then pick out easy targets.0 -
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✭✭Lieblingsjunge wrote: »sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »Are you sure you are talking about PVP? People dont use endless hail here.
They do. Not saying it's good, but they DO use it. Witnessed it myself last night :<
Archer/Sniper is a common bow-build. Not saying it's an interesting or entertaining playstyle, but people DO sit on rocks and spam snipe all day.
In that case he isnt playing PVP properly. People using endless hail in PVP are usually PVErs farming AP.
Spamming snipe from rock is sometimes best way to kill someone, but if your build relays only on being in the back spamming snipe you will have bad time in pvp.
Thats the time to change some things and become long range fighter (like sorcerers) that can output reliable DMG and also survive. All is possible in PVP with bow.
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Kryptonite_Kent✭✭✭✭Are you playing the same game? Bow spammers are already OP... injection/snipe, nuff said... and the simple fact that you say in the opening post that you want a SPAMMABLE skill tells me all I need to know /smhEdited by Kryptonite_Kent on 21 October 2016 13:59Former Emperor
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✭✭✭✭sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »
In that case he isnt playing PVP properly.
I sometimes use endless hail in PVP when its zergy.. and why not? I'm a melee stamsorc relying on redguard and heavy armour passives for stam recovery. Bow is on my buff-bar just for ranged attacks to safely build ulti. I have one space for a bow ability - and don't have any ranged stam-regen so can't spam bow abilities - so yeah, when it's too zergy to close in, I'll drop the odd endless hail in a chokepoint for the chance to proc a disintegrate.
Small-scale it gets swapped out for poison injection, ofc.
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✭✭sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »
In that case he isnt playing PVP properly.
I sometimes use endless hail in PVP when its zergy.. and why not? I'm a melee stamsorc relying on redguard and heavy armour passives for stam recovery. Bow is on my buff-bar just for ranged attacks to safely build ulti. I have one space for a bow ability - and don't have any ranged stam-regen so can't spam bow abilities - so yeah, when it's too zergy to close in, I'll drop the odd endless hail in a chokepoint for the chance to proc a disintegrate.
Small-scale it gets swapped out for poison injection, ofc.
There are some rare scenarios, like when defending one breach. But overall caltrops is better.
More importantly I took it from bow mainer standpoint. There is no place for hail if you play as archer (if you dont have 2 bow bars, then there would be questions like why)Edited by SodanTok on 21 October 2016 14:330 -
Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭If you need a instant cast spammable ranged stamina skill, one is already present in the Fighter's Guild line.
Bow is in a pretty darn good spot IMO. It offers the ability to do a physical damage build or a poison damage build, and has nice passives for PVP. It's also a great back bar for any other weapon because of poison injection alone. It offers good mobility and anti-melee tools. Full on bow-bow builds are viable in PVP, though maybe not optimal compared to a melee weapon back bar and you'll probably need venom arrow to compete with ranged magicka builds.
Hail can be quite useful as an area denial tool when stacked on top of your caltrops - the damage actually becomes threatening compared to caltrops alone. I find myself using it often when solo camping bridge towers because I can make the stairs extremely uninviting to those coming after me.Edited by Kutsuu on 21 October 2016 15:01PC/NA
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✭Lifecode666 wrote: »Bow would be more interesting if we had a spammable skill that we could weave.
You can weave LA/MA+Posion injection while Snipe is on the air and hit with 3 things at the same instant. I can take 30k hp tanks with a single bow combo, bow don't need any buff of changes, is already really strong.Edited by ManDraKE on 21 October 2016 15:160 -
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✭✭✭Why did people immediately jump to the conclusion that the op was talking about pvp? And even if they were why should bow be shoehorned into gank/burst builds there as well?2 -
Kryptonite_Kent✭✭✭✭Why did people immediately jump to the conclusion that the op was talking about pvp? And even if they were why should bow be shoehorned into gank/burst builds there as well?
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Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭Lifecode666 wrote: »Bow would be more interesting if we had a spammable skill that we could weave.
You can weave LA/MA+Posion injection while Snipe is on the air and hit with 3 things at the same instant. I can take 30k hp tanks with a single bow combo, bow don't need any buff of changes, is already really strong.
Another fun trick is to get in melee range behind your target and line up a heavy attack, cancel it with silver shards and cancel silver shards with incap strike. Ultimates cancel the animation of abilities just like bash and block do. If you also have Viper set, you'll proc that too. If you're using Alchemist+viper (arguably the best for this style of gank) or another high damage setup, it will almost always 1-shot, even heavy armor with 35k health.Edited by Kutsuu on 21 October 2016 18:43PC/NA
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✭Lifecode666 wrote: »Bow would be more interesting if we had a spammable skill that we could weave.
You can weave LA/MA+Posion injection while Snipe is on the air and hit with 3 things at the same instant. I can take 30k hp tanks with a single bow combo, bow don't need any buff of changes, is already really strong.
Lol are you fighting a potato that doesn't know how to dodge roll? One dodge would negate the whole dmg.Power Wealth And Influence.0 -
Anti_Virus✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you need a instant cast spammable ranged stamina skill, one is already present in the Fighter's Guild line.
Bow is in a pretty darn good spot IMO. It offers the ability to do a physical damage build or a poison damage build, and has nice passives for PVP. It's also a great back bar for any other weapon because of poison injection alone. It offers good mobility and anti-melee tools. Full on bow-bow builds are viable in PVP, though maybe not optimal compared to a melee weapon back bar and you'll probably need venom arrow to compete with ranged magicka builds.
Hail can be quite useful as an area denial tool when stacked on top of your caltrops - the damage actually becomes threatening compared to caltrops alone. I find myself using it often when solo camping bridge towers because I can make the stairs extremely uninviting to those coming after me.
Bow is not in a good spot. It will always be a back bar weapon as long as snipe functions the way it does. Sure archers can one shot gank, but what if you don't want to play a ganker?
Caltrops> hail
And Crossbolt is not a good spamable, its expensive and doesn't deal much dmg.Edited by Anti_Virus on 21 October 2016 20:48Power Wealth And Influence.0 -
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✭Anti_Virus wrote: »
Bow is not in a good spot. It will allways be a back bar weapon as long as snipe functions the way it does. Sure archers can one shot gank, but what if you don't want to play a ganker?
Then you don't play an archer?
I don't understand the problem here. Similar to how if I don't want to play a tanky character and be a dps, I don't play 1h+shield, or I don't use a resto staff if I don't want to heal.
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✭Anti_Virus wrote: »
Bow is not in a good spot. It will allways be a back bar weapon as long as snipe functions the way it does. Sure archers can one shot gank, but what if you don't want to play a ganker?
Then you don't play an archer?
I don't understand the problem here. Similar to how if I don't want to play a tanky character and be a dps, I don't play 1h+shield, or I don't use a resto staff if I don't want to heal.
So an archer can only be viable if you one shot people and not be viable in duels or small scale?
I can one shot gank on a melee build with better success that trying to kill someone with a bow skill.Edited by Anti_Virus on 21 October 2016 20:49Power Wealth And Influence.0
