Magick Nb Theory Crafting 1T

Carelxss · October 2016

With one tamriel approaching console i had a couple different sets i wanted to try out but idk if i should go dual wield resto with swallow soul weaving on the resto bar and dual wield being my finisher bar with merciless or just destro resto. For sets is was thinking Destro/Resto: 5 spinner ,5 necro, 1Kena or 5 lich ,5 necro, kena Duel wield resto: 5 spinner, 5 necro and 2 infernal guardian Let me know what u think

Berenhir · October 2016

I don't think 5 spinners is better than TBS or Julianos.

Bakven · October 2016

Currently testing out Spinner. It's a bit difficult because I only have the blue jewelry and a lightening staff when I prefer inferno, and it's in a less than optimal trait

Carelxss · October 2016

Berenhir wrote: »

I don't think 5 spinners is better than TBS or Julianos.

Im talking about pvp

Bakven wrote: »

Currently testing out Spinner. It's a bit difficult because I only have the blue jewelry and a lightening staff when I prefer inferno, and it's in a less than optimal trait

Let me know how it goes

Berenhir · October 2016

Yeah, for PvP I think Spinners is even worse than for PvE... That small penetration increase won't help your shields or your healing, except for a tiny funnel increase.

Metemsycosis · October 2016

DW resto: Necro + transmutation + monster 2 PC (chokethorn?) seems like a balanced setup

CavalryPK · October 2016

I prefer , 5 x lich, 5x necro, 3x willpower dual wield.

Bakven · October 2016

@Carelxss So I did a few days of testing the spinner set. Now keep in mind I was using blue jewelry and an imperfect staff. But I was able to get a good feel for the set. And...

I don't like it.

It gives at max 4000 spell pen. I can get more than that just with piercing mark. With everyone running HA it's too easy to just ignore the spell pen. When I used it I saw a loss in my spell dmg and the 4000 spell pen isn't enough compensation for the spell dmg I lost. Because of how the meta is right now imo it's not worth it. You would do better spending time grinding out a different set or even going back to your old one.

Sets like Kag's, Julianos, Elegant, or Rattlecage would be much better imo. Right now I use Kag's and Elegance but I'm gonna grind out Rattlecage to test that set out in place of Elegance.

NOTE: this is my opinion through testing I did on my mageblade. Other classes may make use of the set, or if you just prefer to use it on your mageblade the go ahead. My opinion on this set is just that, my opinion. the spell pen just isn't worth the loss of dmg

Mojmir · October 2016

I'm running tbs,shadow dancer ,choke thorn. It's great for solo. No luck finding IA weps

Carelxss · October 2016

Bakven wrote: »

@Carelxss So I did a few days of testing the spinner set. Now keep in mind I was using blue jewelry and an imperfect staff. But I was able to get a good feel for the set. And...

I don't like it.

It gives at max 4000 spell pen. I can get more than that just with piercing mark. With everyone running HA it's too easy to just ignore the spell pen. When I used it I saw a loss in my spell dmg and the 4000 spell pen isn't enough compensation for the spell dmg I lost. Because of how the meta is right now imo it's not worth it. You would do better spending time grinding out a different set or even going back to your old one.

Sets like Kag's, Julianos, Elegant, or Rattlecage would be much better imo. Right now I use Kag's and Elegance but I'm gonna grind out Rattlecage to test that set out in place of Elegance.

NOTE: this is my opinion through testing I did on my mageblade. Other classes may make use of the set, or if you just prefer to use it on your mageblade the go ahead. My opinion on this set is just that, my opinion. the spell pen just isn't worth the loss of dmg

Yeah i was thinking it wasnt worth it especially when it comes to shields too, thanks for the info

kaithuzar · October 2016

I have previously been using a varying mix of any of the following sets:
Choke Thorn, julianos, kena, worm cult, elf bane, infernal guardian

While I've had some success, against really good stam players it's been a struggle to say the least.

I've been looking at changing my build up entirely things to consider and test hopefully feedback will be posted here by either myself or others:
Medusa w/tbs or juli
Thunderbug combo magicka proc sets?
Spinner + rattle cage?

Like I said in another post, it just doesn't feel like very many people are even trying to make a Magicka build let alone a magicka night blade because of the current meta

Bakven · October 2016

@kaithuzar Because of the meta most players who want to be competitive in pvp will fall into the same builds that work. The problem is even when you have great players and theorycrafters who can make great magicka builds, everything is against them.

You can have an average player using the cookie cutter stam build vs a very well made magicka build played by a good player. On paper the stam build will have higher dmg and resistance and when it comes to the fight, the magicka build is at a disadvantage. When it comes to something like this of course most people will choose to play the easier build. It means those that are only average can now seem to be better than they really are.

Now that's not to say that there aren't stam players who have always played stam and are great players. But this is where the balance issue comes in. if the game was really balanced you'd see about the same amount of mag and stam builds of all classes and using many different types of builds with a medley of sets.

It's not surprising that a lot of people can't make a decent magicka build in this and the past few updates. Believe me, it's not from a lack of trying. I've theorycrafted a few builds for magicka and stamina. Stam builds are so easy to make and play that it's boring to me. That's why I keep playing and theorycrafting my mageblade.

But because @Wrobel doesn't know how to do his job we have the ****show we see now. If @Zos would actually stop trying to only make money by throwing out half made DLCs and updates, and concentrate on correcting their mistakes and listen to their players and actually BALANCE THE DAMN GAME, then we would see real progression and diversity in pvp.

Bazeric · October 2016

I've been working on trying to get my magblade adjusted to the new PVP land and it nothing but frustrating. I even tried to put together a full on damage build but the buff rotations and everything that to long and the damage combos barely hit between shuffle and all the heavy armor. I can barely get 30% of my tool tip damage most times. Sure I could selectively hunt out noobish loooking toons and hope my combo does skip in the lag and everything crits properly... I had that happen a couple times and the damage seems right, but mostly my combo misses and since I am full glass canon there is zero time to recover and counter, just die to bleed, poisons and instant procs. I even switched back to my old style which is more of a sustain caster type but I can't do enough damage that way anymore... I was barely doing enough last time. My last hope would be to get a skoria shoulder and try to get it to proc on all my dots, but I really struggle getting myself to do the PvE grind.

It's just really dang difficult and high maintenance to play a magblade sans Zerg. If you Zerg then just use siphoning, refreshing path, and spam sap on crown.

Also when I use nerien'eths it only ever seems to proc on resto light attack or sap. Thinking they should buff it to be inline with stam sets by making it 20% chance, instant dmg, and for balance increase the cool down by one sec to 4 secs.

Scrippie10 · October 2016

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WildWilbur · October 2016

If I find the time and motivation to grind a dungeon (thanks ZOS for BoP) I will give 5 Rattlecage, 5 Transmutation, 1 Kena a try. Until now I will run Transmutation/Willpower/Torugs/Kena as before...