Is Grim Harlequin Motif limited time exclusive of the crown store or not?

Elsonso · October 2016

Daz_dingoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Such a low move on Zos part.

You have to look at it from the perspective of the person behind the curtain who has championed this. To them, this is a necessary improvement in the game. It does not harm anything, so long as there are people playing the game that are willing to buy the Motif, and any additional Mimic stones that they might need. There will be plenty of people buying the Motif, and I bet you anything it is an extra premium Motif that will cost between 5000 and 9000 Crowns.

Any outrage will be quelled by the passage of time, much as the Crown Crate outrage will fade with time, and before long, this improvement to the game will be standard fare. The architect knows this. They know what people are saying. We are saying nothing new or interesting. They know they will win.

I only hope that this whole Crown Crate and Motif practice in the Crown Store, and the other stuff coming down the path, is not just some resume builder for someone's next job. Nothing would irk me more than a "savior" who blows into town, "saves" the town, collects the cash, then leaves to let everyone else pick up the wreckage.

Cazzy · October 2016

I might buy it as I have crowns saved up, but I cancelled my sub two months ago and haven't played in a while

I may buy the DLC with my remaining crowns so I can use it when I feel like playing but I've hella gone off the game due to all these unwelcome changes.

Either way, the crowns I have now are the only crowns I'll ever have. No more

DocFrost72 · October 2016

Twilix01 wrote: »

Daz_dingoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Yep, as it seems i dont have to admit i was wrong.

This is the beginning of the end for master Crafters all around tamriel. It was a good 2 year run but now it seems crafters will have to choose between buying stuff they like from the crown store or buy stuff they need in game to be competitive in their craft.
Such a low move on Zos part. Plus the fact that you can only craft it with mimic stones is a sad excuse to make us buy them.

I hope crafters are smarter than that and avoid this like the plague but since people will want to make money out of it they will buy it like sheep. Its all a matter of psychology. There will always be the marketing team targeting those fools. Well i dont intend to be one of those this time around im sorry.

See, as a crafter myself, I'm very torn on this. On the one hand, I really want to tell ZOS to buzz off with the idea of a crown store exclusive motif. On the other hand though... it would bother me tremendously to see a style on the UI that I can't craft because I was too stubborn to pay for enough crowns (That I can sparingly afford) to buy the motif and be able to make it for my friends. I don't know what to do between those two thoughts.

It's safe to say skip on this one twil. As much as some may want to wear the motif, I am sure most of the guild will not out of sheer stubbornness.

Now, if/when it drops in game, I'll personally help you farm it up.

mlstevens42_ESO · October 2016

I do not like any motif being a crown exclusive. In fact I am quite upset by this. I will NOT buy this from the shop and am furious that they thought a crafter would or should purchase something for crowns that can not be gained in game. To me it defeats the purpose of playing.

SorataArisugawa · October 2016

MissBizz wrote: »

The Grim Harlequin is going to be exclusive to the Crown Store. However, purchasing the Grim Harlequin will net you 54 Mimic Stones, which you can use to craft gear (including the Grim Harlequin). You can use this crafted gear to deconstruct and have a chance to get a Grinstone - the Grim Harlequin style item. All this can be traded, too, if you wish.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3440245#Comment_3440245

It is exclusive.

Well and thats the point were they clearly step away from there motto: everything will be obtainable in the game. Great Job ZOS. After the crown crates now this. You were the choosen ones. I have to let my hope go. This game will be like all the other rubbish ones.

@ZOS_GinaBruno I know you are just the messenger, but please help us and tell them, how bad this idea is. Please Gina, you are our only hope!!! Maybe they will listen to you. ZOS have to keep their promise. You will loosing so many loyal subs over this... you can't just simply accept this!

luen79rwb17_ESO · October 2016

Wow, total dissapointment here!

This is way worse than crown crates. With this one you can actually trade your $ with game gold.

It's official now and hey! It's a cool feature for ZOS it seems? "You can trade that all!" Lol

I'm actually worried because I don't seem to find any other decent MMO out there, the ones in development are meh, and the rest of the released AAA MMO have worse schemes than this.

altemriel · October 2016

I have an another question, and about Hollowjack motif, while it drops from Plunder Skulls during the festival - so lets say I find some motif pages, learn them, but the Amber Marble, the Hollowjack style item also drops from the Plunder skulls, so after the festival, how will I be able to get the Amber Marble to craft it??

Or Mimic stone crown store only?

ThePaleItalian · October 2016

Its 2,200 crowns. Just a heads up.

SantieClaws · October 2016

Drip drip drip ...

Little by little something that is supposed to be a happy thing, a source of entertainment, becomes instead a frustration for many.

Many travel to Tamriel for a break, an escape. If all travellers just wanted to empty their wallets well then they would just spend some time drinking with this one yes?

There is a willingness to spend money for enjoyment - that is not in question. The enjoyment though must represent value for the coin dispatched or the feeling of enjoyment it diminishes.

Someone somewhere thinks they really understand the mind of the travellers in Tamriel and what they are willing to do and are willing to pay. This one she would request a significant re-evaluation of this thought process.

Before drip, drip, drip the jug it is empty yes? No one likes an empty jug. Or indeed a crate full of hollow promises.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Tryxus · October 2016

Well if it makes everyone feel better: the motif is up for 2.2k Crowns, not 5k

Elsonso · October 2016

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Its 2,200 crowns. Just a heads up.

That is surprising. They want a lot of them out there. Guess this will sell more Mimic Stones.

SantieClaws wrote: »

Someone somewhere thinks they really understand the mind of the travellers in Tamriel and what they are willing to do and are willing to pay. This one she would request a significant re-evaluation of this thought process

No, they are just following a prescribed formula. It has nothing to do with the game or players. We are interchangeable.

Ilsabet · October 2016

Well now that creates a new dilemma. To refuse to buy, on principle, because this is not a path that we wish to encourage ZOS to continue down, and is a motif really worth as much as an entire DLC? Or to give in and just buy it, because it's not as expensive as we thought it would be, and we bought crowns on sale and/or have a crown stash from subbing, so it's not thaaat much money?

Hmmm...

SantieClaws · October 2016

Ilsabet wrote: »

Well now that creates a new dilemma. To refuse to buy, on principle, because this is not a path that we wish to encourage ZOS to continue down, and is a motif really worth as much as an entire DLC? Or to give in and just buy it, because it's not as expensive as we thought it would be, and we bought crowns on sale and/or have a crown stash from subbing, so it's not thaaat much money?

Hmmm...

Khajiit she will not buy. Crowns talk. The crowns of this one say oh no no.

The crowns they stay safely in the pocket yes. The pocket no one else they can find ...

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

P3ZZL3 · October 2016

Ilsabet wrote: »

Well now that creates a new dilemma. To refuse to buy, on principle, because this is not a path that we wish to encourage ZOS to continue down,

Pre-planned - you have no say, nothing anyone says here will change anything. Hell, they don;t even announce anything on here. Half the information people have found is scattered between PS4 random publications and a bit on twitter...etc.

It's a shambolic mess that is purely there to generate revenue and screw the players. *shrugs*

Elsonso · October 2016

Ilsabet wrote: »

Well now that creates a new dilemma. To refuse to buy, on principle, because this is not a path that we wish to encourage ZOS to continue down, and is a motif really worth as much as an entire DLC? Or to give in and just buy it, because it's not as expensive as we thought it would be, and we bought crowns on sale and/or have a crown stash from subbing, so it's not thaaat much money?

Hmmm...

Think of them like a puppy. They are thinking that it is OK to piddle on the floor. As long as we encourage them to piddle on the floor, they will continue to think it is OK. The best way to train the puppy is by rewarding good behavior, so when they do not piddle on the floor, they get a reward. Eventually, the puppy stops piddling on the floor.

TELL ZOS TO STOP PIDDLING ON THE FLOOR BY NOT REWARDING THEM WHEN THEY DO!

Tyrion87 · October 2016

This motif is so ugly and boring that I couldn't care less...

And I lost my interest for learning new motifs after I realized that I even don't use all of them on my crafted gear since I already improved my gear to legendary and cannot simply change its style to another one that I know. I would have to craft a new gear in different style and improve it to gold again but it would be a total waste of time and gold...

SantieClaws · October 2016

lordrichter wrote: »

Ilsabet wrote: »

Well now that creates a new dilemma. To refuse to buy, on principle, because this is not a path that we wish to encourage ZOS to continue down, and is a motif really worth as much as an entire DLC? Or to give in and just buy it, because it's not as expensive as we thought it would be, and we bought crowns on sale and/or have a crown stash from subbing, so it's not thaaat much money?

Hmmm...

Think of them like a puppy. They are thinking that it is OK to piddle on the floor. As long as we encourage them to piddle on the floor, they will continue to think it is OK. The best way to train the puppy is by rewarding good behavior, so when they do not piddle on the floor, they get a reward. Eventually, the puppy stops piddling on the floor.

TELL ZOS TO STOP PIDDLING ON THE FLOOR BY NOT REWARDING THEM WHEN THEY DO!

The doggy analogy is unpleasant to smell but is apt.

Also you could just throw the puppy outside in the yard.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Peekachu99 · October 2016

Jesus Christ, you people are being absurd. A.) It's
kind of fugly. B.) Don't buy it?

Guild trader consortiums and the whacktastic trading system in this game are far more damaging to the economy than any of this delusionally hyperbolic nonesense about this motif becoming a P2W scheme for crafters.

The most alarming thing about this is that it's a mere 2200 Crowns. That's cheap by ZoS standards. There are plenty of players who would rather just buy style items rather than pay hundreds of thousands of gold for a complete motif, not to mention the drudgery and RNG associated with farming them should we choose to go that route. Our voice is no less important than yours. Oh but ZoS said...

They said a lot of things. Only a fool remains stationary while the market shift around them. Their word should never be considered immutable, and I'd be worried if they actually never revisited decisions and strategies.

Kodrac · October 2016

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Buy mimic stones then sell them????

WTF

P2W confirmed

What exactly are you winning by buying a motif?

I can haz motif! I wins game!

Not that I approve of crown exclusive motifs, but c'mon... P2W? Really?

luen79rwb17_ESO · October 2016

Not buying it even if it's 500 crowns. Too many bitter implicit messages here:

First and most important of all broken promises: "Crown motifs sold only a while after it's available in game" and "no way to monetize your crown store purchases".

Second: the obvious pricing bait. "It's only 2.2k crowns"? Or "we've always sold overpriced motifs before?" Or else what is exactly the reason this one is cheaper? Before, crown pricing was correlated to in game rarity. Now... I don't understand the logic other than promote rushed sales since there's no other way to get it at the moment.

Dymence · October 2016

Kodrac wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Buy mimic stones then sell them????

WTF

P2W confirmed

What exactly are you winning by buying a motif?

I can haz motif! I wins game!

Not that I approve of crown exclusive motifs, but c'mon... P2W? Really?

Because you can craft the style, decon it, get proper style stones and sell them on the traders. Essentially converting crowns to gold.

Korah_Eaglecry · October 2016

Peekachu99 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

My God, they're running a business, they need to make money. Game chuggs along half the time and you want to deprive them of more cosmetic-based income?

No, they do not need to make money. Many business fail, and properly so. Making money is the reward for doing something of value, it is not the fulfillment of a need. They remain a successful business when the reward is greater than the cost of being in business. If they cannot manage to do that, they they should be going out of business.

Further, it is not the responsibility of any of us to keep them in business. You did not say exactly this, but your statement strongly implies that we have a responsibility to give them money so they will fix their game. I am sure they appreciate the donations, and people can spend their money as they see fit, but we are just consumers and they are the business. We are not part of the team, and we are not investors. They have to provide value for the money that they ask for. As consumers, we can toss around our money as we want, but in the end, it is not our responsibility to keep them in business. If enough people are not willing to buy what they are selling, at the price they are selling it at, then they rightfully deserve to go out of business, or move to sell a product that has more value.

I'd agree with you if this wasn't an online game that had exorbitant infrastructure costs necessary for you to enjoy (or hate) it. Do you expect them to provide this for backend free? Who's the charity now? Your argument is confusing and you sound as if you expect them to keep the servers on simply because they have earned your trust as a consumer--only that only works if you, the consumer, actually pay money to continue ongoing services and development. A good business is more of a mutual exchange, rather than one party emptying its pockets for the enjoyment of the other.

ZoS provide a product, we as a consumer determine if it's worth our investment. I'm not suggesting that we owe them anything. I am saying that I see crown store motifs as a fine investment, and do not see it as the "slippery-slope, pay-to-win" apocalypse.

So theyre too big to fail is what youre getting at?

sadownik · October 2016

Kodrac wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Buy mimic stones then sell them????

WTF

P2W confirmed

What exactly are you winning by buying a motif?

I can haz motif! I wins game!

Not that I approve of crown exclusive motifs, but c'mon... P2W? Really?

"crafting exclusive grim harlquine style! 1.5 mln for a set, style materials included!"

Abeille · October 2016

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Its 2,200 crowns. Just a heads up.

Yep, and it comes with 54 Mimic Stones while the 54 Mimic Stones pack costs 2,400 Crowns.

So... If you were planning to buy Mimic Stones anyways you are in luck, I guess?

Korah_Eaglecry · October 2016

Its a bit annoying that its Crown Store Exclusive but. Its only 2200 crowns and not only do you get quality armor (Im quite impressed with it) but you get 54 Mimic Stones. Which is a better deal than the 2400 you would spend on the stand alone 54 Mimic Stones in the Crown Store.

sadownik · October 2016

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Its a bit annoying that its Crown Store Exclusive but. Its only 2200 crowns and not only do you get quality armor (Im quite impressed with it) but you get 54 Mimic Stones. Which is a better deal than the 2400 you would spend on the stand alone 54 Mimic Stones in the Crown Store.

And it doesnt make you wonder?

Korah_Eaglecry · October 2016

sadownik wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Its a bit annoying that its Crown Store Exclusive but. Its only 2200 crowns and not only do you get quality armor (Im quite impressed with it) but you get 54 Mimic Stones. Which is a better deal than the 2400 you would spend on the stand alone 54 Mimic Stones in the Crown Store.

And it doesnt make you wonder?

Im sorry, but are you trying to purposely be vague?

Elsonso · October 2016

sadownik wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Its a bit annoying that its Crown Store Exclusive but. Its only 2200 crowns and not only do you get quality armor (Im quite impressed with it) but you get 54 Mimic Stones. Which is a better deal than the 2400 you would spend on the stand alone 54 Mimic Stones in the Crown Store.

And it doesnt make you wonder?

Nope, not even a little.

I am sure that, if pressed, they are doing this to be "nice". However, this is a "loss leader", for as much sense one can make about such a statement. It is the gift (to ZOS) that keeps on giving (to ZOS). If this is successful, crown exclusive motifs as far as the eye can see! Too many people will see "2200 Crowns" and not realize, or not care, what that really means.

Will be interesting to see what the Crown to Gold exchange rate is for this style.

Peekachu99 · October 2016

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

My God, they're running a business, they need to make money. Game chuggs along half the time and you want to deprive them of more cosmetic-based income?

No, they do not need to make money. Many business fail, and properly so. Making money is the reward for doing something of value, it is not the fulfillment of a need. They remain a successful business when the reward is greater than the cost of being in business. If they cannot manage to do that, they they should be going out of business.

Further, it is not the responsibility of any of us to keep them in business. You did not say exactly this, but your statement strongly implies that we have a responsibility to give them money so they will fix their game. I am sure they appreciate the donations, and people can spend their money as they see fit, but we are just consumers and they are the business. We are not part of the team, and we are not investors. They have to provide value for the money that they ask for. As consumers, we can toss around our money as we want, but in the end, it is not our responsibility to keep them in business. If enough people are not willing to buy what they are selling, at the price they are selling it at, then they rightfully deserve to go out of business, or move to sell a product that has more value.

I'd agree with you if this wasn't an online game that had exorbitant infrastructure costs necessary for you to enjoy (or hate) it. Do you expect them to provide this for backend free? Who's the charity now? Your argument is confusing and you sound as if you expect them to keep the servers on simply because they have earned your trust as a consumer--only that only works if you, the consumer, actually pay money to continue ongoing services and development. A good business is more of a mutual exchange, rather than one party emptying its pockets for the enjoyment of the other.

ZoS provide a product, we as a consumer determine if it's worth our investment. I'm not suggesting that we owe them anything. I am saying that I see crown store motifs as a fine investment, and do not see it as the "slippery-slope, pay-to-win" apocalypse.

So theyre too big to fail is what youre getting at?

A one-line lazy quip is all you mustered from my posts? Okay. Maybe read them again. I said nothing about size>choice or freedom. They're providing a service. I guarenteee some people, a lot of people, will see the value in purchasing these items around which 'controversy' swirls. Just as they did the glowing tiger-mount, and all the other cosmetic "look at me" stuff beforehand.

It's capitalism, not a conspiracy. Take off the tin foil hats people.

sadownik · October 2016

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

My God, they're running a business, they need to make money. Game chuggs along half the time and you want to deprive them of more cosmetic-based income?

No, they do not need to make money. Many business fail, and properly so. Making money is the reward for doing something of value, it is not the fulfillment of a need. They remain a successful business when the reward is greater than the cost of being in business. If they cannot manage to do that, they they should be going out of business.

Further, it is not the responsibility of any of us to keep them in business. You did not say exactly this, but your statement strongly implies that we have a responsibility to give them money so they will fix their game. I am sure they appreciate the donations, and people can spend their money as they see fit, but we are just consumers and they are the business. We are not part of the team, and we are not investors. They have to provide value for the money that they ask for. As consumers, we can toss around our money as we want, but in the end, it is not our responsibility to keep them in business. If enough people are not willing to buy what they are selling, at the price they are selling it at, then they rightfully deserve to go out of business, or move to sell a product that has more value.

I'd agree with you if this wasn't an online game that had exorbitant infrastructure costs necessary for you to enjoy (or hate) it. Do you expect them to provide this for backend free? Who's the charity now? Your argument is confusing and you sound as if you expect them to keep the servers on simply because they have earned your trust as a consumer--only that only works if you, the consumer, actually pay money to continue ongoing services and development. A good business is more of a mutual exchange, rather than one party emptying its pockets for the enjoyment of the other.

ZoS provide a product, we as a consumer determine if it's worth our investment. I'm not suggesting that we owe them anything. I am saying that I see crown store motifs as a fine investment, and do not see it as the "slippery-slope, pay-to-win" apocalypse.

So theyre too big to fail is what youre getting at?

A one-line lazy quip is all you mustered from my posts? Okay. Maybe read them again. I said nothing about size>choice or freedom. They're providing a service. I guarenteee some people, a lot of people, will see the value in purchasing these items around which 'controversy' swirls. Just as they did the glowing tiger-mount, and all the other cosmetic "look at me" stuff beforehand.

It's capitalism, not a conspiracy. Take off the tin foil hats people.

Why are you so aggressive? Nobody is claiming some conspiracy.