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Upcoming Weapon Ultimates

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Mauz
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Just saw this on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLcRjBSEhTg

Onslaught on a mob with 106k dmg, that would be 53k in PvP. Ignores full resi, ulitmate cost restored by kill. If I did not get something wrong here this is plain stupid. The other ultimates are pretty much of same strength.

I thought the last thing PvP needs is more burst dmg. I just try to imagine how pvp should work at all if this goes live.
  • FloppyTouch
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    Does this mean in pve 2h Ults is the only skill u need bc it will always be up and will always one hit mobs? This seems just a little off imo
  • MalakithAlamahdi
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    FloppyTouch wrote: »
    Does this mean in pve 2h Ults is the only skill u need bc it will always be up and will always one hit mobs? This seems just a little off imo

    If you manage to oneshot all these mobs with it yes, it's all you need.
  • Waffennacht
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    It's PTS, I seriously doubt we'll see the 150k making it to live.

    I mean...

    It just can't
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  • Rykmaar
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    The PTS ultimates are all borked, except maybe the DW one. That one seems pretty nice out of the box. I think it should be 360 degrees though.

    Bow? Underwhelming.

    2h? OP af

    SnB? Also OP. Too cheap for what it gives. Morphs are OP.

    Destro? Stupid. Insulting really. An AoE dot that people will roll out of.

    Resto? Actually nice. (resto staff still sucks though, vigor+rally outheals it)
  • CapuchinSeven
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    Sooooo.... this is basically another stamina burst buff, because what this game needed was more stamina burst...
  • joe.smith21b14_ESO
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    Jeez you all know that you can hit mobs for 100k without that ulti right I do it on live all the time
    Smiff
  • Cathexis
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    CapuchinSeven wrote: »
    Sooooo.... this is basically another stamina burst buff, because what this game needed was more stamina burst...
    Waffennacht wrote: »
    It's PTS, I seriously doubt we'll see the 150k making it to live.

    I mean...

    It just can't

    When I look at pvp it actually makes a lot of sense. I mean, pvp is ultimately balanced for hard damage anyway when it comes down to it. If players dont want to build for that, giving an ultimate that standardizes one shots sets the precident that now all players, regardless of build will have that capacity. It also means players can invest in different armor sets without taking a loss in critical areas of either survivability or damage.

    I mean personally to me it looks like they are finally putting their foot down and creating some internal consistency with how they expect players to pvp, instead of creating a false sense of choice between tank or damage.

    That said, cloak is going to be over the top awesome again..
    Edited by Cathexis on 9 September 2016 20:16
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  • CapuchinSeven
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    Cathexis wrote: »
    CapuchinSeven wrote: »
    Sooooo.... this is basically another stamina burst buff, because what this game needed was more stamina burst...
    Waffennacht wrote: »
    It's PTS, I seriously doubt we'll see the 150k making it to live.

    I mean...

    It just can't

    When I look at pvp it actually makes a lot of sense. I mean, pvp is ultimately balanced for hard damage anyway when it comes down to it. If players dont want to build for that, giving an ultimate that standardizes one shots sets the precident that now all players, regardless of build will have that capacity. It also means players can invest in different armor sets without taking a loss in critical areas of either survivability or damage.

    I mean personally to me it looks like they are finally putting their foot down and creating some internal consistency with how they expect players to pvp, instead of creating a false sense of choice between tank or damage.

    That said, cloak is going to be over the top awesome again..

    Sorry I'm not getting what you're saying, are you saying PVP in this game is either one shot someone or become almost pointless but unkilllable?

    Because all I'm seeing from these new ultimates is ZOS saying "LOLOLOLOL WHY R U NT US 2H!!!11!!?????//??"
  • Waffennacht
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    CapuchinSeven wrote: »
    Cathexis wrote: »
    CapuchinSeven wrote: »
    Sooooo.... this is basically another stamina burst buff, because what this game needed was more stamina burst...
    Waffennacht wrote: »
    It's PTS, I seriously doubt we'll see the 150k making it to live.

    I mean...

    It just can't

    When I look at pvp it actually makes a lot of sense. I mean, pvp is ultimately balanced for hard damage anyway when it comes down to it. If players dont want to build for that, giving an ultimate that standardizes one shots sets the precident that now all players, regardless of build will have that capacity. It also means players can invest in different armor sets without taking a loss in critical areas of either survivability or damage.

    I mean personally to me it looks like they are finally putting their foot down and creating some internal consistency with how they expect players to pvp, instead of creating a false sense of choice between tank or damage.

    That said, cloak is going to be over the top awesome again..

    Sorry I'm not getting what you're saying, are you saying PVP in this game is either one shot someone or become almost pointless but unkilllable?

    Because all I'm seeing from these new ultimates is ZOS saying "LOLOLOLOL WHY R U NT US 2H!!!11!!?????//??"

    2H is pretty sick.

    I wanna try Kena + Free SnB ult. Increase this cost my face lol
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  • Forestd16b14_ESO
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    Rykmaar wrote: »
    The PTS ultimates are all borked, except maybe the DW one. That one seems pretty nice out of the box. I think it should be 360 degrees though.

    Bow? Underwhelming.

    2h? OP af

    SnB? Also OP. Too cheap for what it gives. Morphs are OP.

    Destro? Stupid. Insulting really. An AoE dot that people will roll out of.

    Resto? Actually nice. (resto staff still sucks though, vigor+rally outheals it)

    No no no no no no the SnS ult is not OP it is fair for what it does.
  • kadar
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    Cathexis wrote: »
    CapuchinSeven wrote: »
    Sooooo.... this is basically another stamina burst buff, because what this game needed was more stamina burst...
    Waffennacht wrote: »
    It's PTS, I seriously doubt we'll see the 150k making it to live.

    I mean...

    It just can't

    When I look at pvp it actually makes a lot of sense. I mean, pvp is ultimately balanced for hard damage anyway when it comes down to it. If players dont want to build for that, giving an ultimate that standardizes one shots sets the precident that now all players, regardless of build will have that capacity. It also means players can invest in different armor sets without taking a loss in critical areas of either survivability or damage.

    I mean personally to me it looks like they are finally putting their foot down and creating some internal consistency with how they expect players to pvp, instead of creating a false sense of choice between tank or damage.

    That said, cloak is going to be over the top awesome again..

    @Cathexis , did something change with Cloak?
  • kadar
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    joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »
    Jeez you all know that you can hit mobs for 100k without that ulti right I do it on live all the time

    Exactly.
    @Alcast should have hit the same mob with an Icap or a DBoS in the same video. That would have given us a good idea for comparison. Can't forget about impen either. Ignoring resist doesn't ignore impen as well right?
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    The_Outsider wrote: »
    joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »
    Jeez you all know that you can hit mobs for 100k without that ulti right I do it on live all the time

    Exactly.
    @Alcast should have hit the same mob with an Icap or a DBoS in the same video. That would have given us a good idea for comparison. Can't forget about impen either. Ignoring resist doesn't ignore impen as well right?

    How does one get a 100,000 damage on a DB?
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  • Cathexis
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    The_Outsider wrote: »
    Cathexis wrote: »
    CapuchinSeven wrote: »
    Sooooo.... this is basically another stamina burst buff, because what this game needed was more stamina burst...
    Waffennacht wrote: »
    It's PTS, I seriously doubt we'll see the 150k making it to live.

    I mean...

    It just can't

    When I look at pvp it actually makes a lot of sense. I mean, pvp is ultimately balanced for hard damage anyway when it comes down to it. If players dont want to build for that, giving an ultimate that standardizes one shots sets the precident that now all players, regardless of build will have that capacity. It also means players can invest in different armor sets without taking a loss in critical areas of either survivability or damage.

    I mean personally to me it looks like they are finally putting their foot down and creating some internal consistency with how they expect players to pvp, instead of creating a false sense of choice between tank or damage.

    That said, cloak is going to be over the top awesome again..

    @Cathexis , did something change with Cloak?

    Well I think it became more manageable realistically with poisons, magelight, evil hunter, hurricane (and probably a few other things that dont immediately come to mind) opening up non potion options, but the core benefit of cloak is always the fraction of a second between cloaking out and redetection, and if you can one hit spam ults that fraction of a second is going to be arguably god mode. Thats just a hypothetical observation, dont take it for more than that.
    Edited by Cathexis on 10 September 2016 20:33
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  • MalakithAlamahdi
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    I like the 2h ultimate. I always wanted to share my 33k resistance with gankers.
  • Skander
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    Stamina is just getting out of hand by the update
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  • Rykmaar
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    At least 4 months until balance gets looked at guys -- remember their horrible schedules?



    Oh and that awful destro ultimate? Wrobel actually commented in the PTS forums for the first time in a long time just to say no, we aren't lowering the cost or changing it from AoE.

    Instead they want to buff soul assault. Yup. Soul assault. The skill that can be interrupted.
  • CapuchinSeven
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    Rykmaar wrote: »
    At least 4 months until balance gets looked at guys -- remember their horrible schedules?



    Oh and that awful destro ultimate? Wrobel actually commented in the PTS forums for the first time in a long time just to say no, we aren't lowering the cost or changing it from AoE.

    Instead they want to buff soul assault. Yup. Soul assault. The skill that can be interrupted.

    ...lol


    ......LOL L O L
  • LBxFinalDeath
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    2H Ultimate seems good but I doubt that most players (Stam and Magicka) will stop spam using Dawnbreaker of smiting to be honest.

    The CC from Dawnbreaker of Smiting is just far too cheesy and glitchy, a lot of players just can't PvP without it these days.

    The Sword and Board Ult is gonna bring more cheesy builds out into PvP so kinda dread it, it might be glorious for PvE content though. o:)
    Edited by LBxFinalDeath on 15 September 2016 00:38
  • MalakithAlamahdi
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    Rykmaar wrote: »
    At least 4 months until balance gets looked at guys -- remember their horrible schedules?



    Oh and that awful destro ultimate? Wrobel actually commented in the PTS forums for the first time in a long time just to say no, we aren't lowering the cost or changing it from AoE.

    Instead they want to buff soul assault. Yup. Soul assault. The skill that can be interrupted.
    Rykmaar wrote: »
    At least 4 months until balance gets looked at guys -- remember their horrible schedules?



    Oh and that awful destro ultimate? Wrobel actually commented in the PTS forums for the first time in a long time just to say no, we aren't lowering the cost or changing it from AoE.

    Instead they want to buff soul assault. Yup. Soul assault. The skill that can be interrupted.

    Can't be anymore after the patch thought. But I agree, DS should have a single target ultimate, it needs some love overall.
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    LBxFinalDeath wrote: »
    2H Ultimate seems good but I doubt that most players (Stam and Magicka) will stop spam using Dawnbreaker of smiting to be honest.

    The CC from Dawnbreaker of Smiting is just far too cheesy and glitchy, a lot of players just can't PvP without it these days.

    The Sword and Board Ult is gonna bring more cheesy builds out into PvP so kinda dread it, it might be glorious for PvE content though. o:)

    So burst and high damage builds are the only ones that won't be cheesy??
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    MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »
    I like the 2h ultimate. I always wanted to share my 33k resistance with gankers.

    You think that's strong?.... just you wait....

    My Elemental Storm will tear you to shreds with its obscene Ult cost, lower-than-Meteor damage and utility, and short duration.

    2H, 1H/Shield, Bow, and DW Ults are totally balanced. Destro & Resto are super OP this time around.
    #MakeStaminaViableAgain :unamused: ... jk
    Edited by Vaoh on 16 September 2016 13:01
  • MalakithAlamahdi
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    You think that's strong?.... just you wait....

    My Elemental Storm will tear you to shreds with its obscene Ult cost, lower-than-Meteor damage and utility, and short duration.

    2H, 1H/Shield, Bow, and DW Ults are totally balanced. Destro & Resto are super OP this time around.
    #MakeStaminaViableAgain :unamused: ... jk

    Yea, I'm so disappointed about the magicka based ultimates that we're getting. Guess I'll just uses the s&b one then...
    Edited by MalakithAlamahdi on 17 September 2016 13:53
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    MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »
    You think that's strong?.... just you wait....

    My Elemental Storm will tear you to shreds with its obscene Ult cost, lower-than-Meteor damage and utility, and short duration.

    2H, 1H/Shield, Bow, and DW Ults are totally balanced. Destro & Resto are super OP this time around.
    #MakeStaminaViableAgain :unamused: ... jk

    Yea, I'm so disappointed about the magicka based ultimates that we're getting. Guess I'll just uses the s&b one then...

    No joke, I am one of the last (maybe quite literally the last) dangerous Dual Wield Magicka Sorcerer running around solo on PS4 NA. Not easy with how ridiculously OP Stamina is atm.

    My main Ultimate is Dawnbreaker of Smiting. This Ultimate will get a cost increase next patch, bumping it from 100 to 125, which essentially means from 85 to 106 on my Sorc.

    I will consider and extensively test out Rend, the Dual Wield Ult. I'll even consider switching to 1H/S and 2H over Dual Wield for their Ultimates. That is the situation I'm in :/

    I would never consider the Destro even with it finally gaining an Ult, simply due to that Ult sucking.

    Edited by Vaoh on 18 September 2016 19:49
  • MalakithAlamahdi
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    Vaoh wrote: »
    MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »
    You think that's strong?.... just you wait....

    My Elemental Storm will tear you to shreds with its obscene Ult cost, lower-than-Meteor damage and utility, and short duration.

    2H, 1H/Shield, Bow, and DW Ults are totally balanced. Destro & Resto are super OP this time around.
    #MakeStaminaViableAgain :unamused: ... jk

    Yea, I'm so disappointed about the magicka based ultimates that we're getting. Guess I'll just uses the s&b one then...

    No joke, I am one of the last (maybe quite literally the last) dangerous Dual Wield Magicka Sorcerer running around solo on PS4 NA. Not easy with how ridiculously OP Stamina is atm.

    My main Ultimate is Dawnbreaker of Smiting. This Ultimate will get a cost increase next patch, bumping it from 100 to 125, which essentially means from 85 to 106 on my Sorc.

    I will consider and extensively test out Rend, the Dual Wield Ult. I'll even consider switching to 1H/S and 2H over Dual Wield for their Ultimates. That is the situation I'm in :/

    I would never consider the Destro even with it finally gaining an Ult, simply due to that Ult sucking.

    Litterlaly the only PvP situation I could see a bit of use for it is on a HA flame dk, and then the version that sticks to yourself for more damage. But I'm wondering if it actually does more then magma armor, if it doesn't then it's completely useless in every situation I can come up with.
  • Alucardo
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    Vaoh wrote: »
    My Elemental Storm will tear you to shreds with its obscene Ult cost, lower-than-Meteor damage and utility, and short duration.
    Hey, at least it looks sweet. You can wow and amaze people with elemental storm's beautiful visual fx, right before they bash your face in with 30-50k physical ultimate.
  • CapuchinSeven
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    Rykmaar wrote: »
    My Elemental Storm will tear you to shreds with its obscene Ult cost, lower-than-Meteor damage and utility, and short duration.

    And this is why many of us pull a strange face when ZOS claims it uses "hard data" to balance.
    How in the world the cost of this ultimate next to the stamina ultimates makes sense is way over my head.
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