mDK the Big Fat Bully

sirrmattus · September 2016

Strictly a pvp conversation but not limited to.

Am I the only one that feels like a big fat bully when playing magic dk in pvp? You see someone and you grab (drain essence) them but your too fat to do enough damage that you just squeeze them tight and breath (burning embers) on them. If you let go (they break cc) they are always just fast enough (bow speed or just simple run) to be out of your reach (talon) and your heavy breathing (chains) has pretty much let you down and now thr enemy is forever gone.

No seriously tho, I feel like a fat bully playing magick dk. I just want to hurt someone but I can never catch them.

Make volatile armor give major expedition instead of the 'return melee dmg' uselessness

Asmael · September 2016

sirrmattus wrote: »

[...] Make volatile armor give major expedition instead of the 'return melee dmg' uselessness

Heh! I like my damage reflect! Turns out it's pretty good when facing peeps spamming Flurry on you, since it has no CD.

your heavy breathing (chains) has pretty much let you down and now thr enemy is forever gone.

"Target is too high or too low."

TL;DR of the thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiOQGF9Hsgw

Cronopoly · September 2016

2 of the new sets incoming and on the PTS now. Surprise surprise. Of course the Stamina one has full time minor expedition.

There's so many new sets it's going to be a while before we get our sea legs after One Tamriel drops.

sirrmattus · September 2016

@Asmael
Yes I've seen that video. Lmao

sirrmattus · September 2016

Cronopoly wrote: »

2 of the new sets incoming and on the PTS now. Surprise surprise. Of course the Stamina one has full time minor expedition.

There's so many new sets it's going to be a while before we get our sea legs after One Tamriel drops.

Dam. Another win for stamina

AverageJo3Gam3r · September 2016

I'd like major expedition on reflective scales for 4 seconds. They are wings. Let me fly!

Nser · September 2016

wing are meh ..
we need batter gap closer so if they change empower chain that's gives -offbalance- for power lash proc's would be cool
I don't see anyone using chain -.-
XD
-fix GDB-

THEDKEXPERIENCE · September 2016

MDK might be the weakest class of all. All 4 stams and Magplars are all infinitely stronger in the right hands.

Ch4mpTW · September 2016

https://youtu.be/mcK3DZuIQWU

AverageJo3Gam3r · September 2016

@nser funny thing is, I've played without a gap closer so long I don't think I would use one even if they fixed/buffed chains. No room in my bars anyways.

sirrmattus · September 2016

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

@nser funny thing is, I've played without a gap closer so long I don't think I would use one even if they fixed/buffed chains. No room in my bars anyways.

Exactly. But most mag dk uses volatile. And most tanks in pve use hardened. So it would be balanced

worsttankever · September 2016

Asmael wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

[...] Make volatile armor give major expedition instead of the 'return melee dmg' uselessness

Heh! I like my damage reflect! Turns out it's pretty good when facing peeps spamming Flurry on you, since it has no CD.

your heavy breathing (chains) has pretty much let you down and now thr enemy is forever gone.

"Target is too high or too low."

TL;DR of the thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiOQGF9Hsgw

You tried chasing a Stamina Argonian through water with a magic build - of course he outran you! Argonians OP!!

Cronopoly · September 2016

^^ ROFL

Burning_Talons · September 2016

sirrmattus wrote: »

Strictly a pvp conversation but not limited to.

Am I the only one that feels like a big fat bully when playing magic dk in pvp? You see someone and you grab (drain essence) them but your too fat to do enough damage that you just squeeze them tight and breath (burning embers) on them. If you let go (they break cc) they are always just fast enough (bow speed or just simple run) to be out of your reach (talon) and your heavy breathing (chains) has pretty much let you down and now thr enemy is forever gone.

No seriously tho, I feel like a fat bully playing magick dk. I just want to hurt someone but I can never catch them.

Make volatile armor give major expedition instead of the 'return melee dmg' uselessness

The way you described these skills makes me wonder when the last time you touched a Dk XD

sirrmattus · September 2016

Burning_Talons wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

Strictly a pvp conversation but not limited to.

Am I the only one that feels like a big fat bully when playing magic dk in pvp? You see someone and you grab (drain essence) them but your too fat to do enough damage that you just squeeze them tight and breath (burning embers) on them. If you let go (they break cc) they are always just fast enough (bow speed or just simple run) to be out of your reach (talon) and your heavy breathing (chains) has pretty much let you down and now thr enemy is forever gone.

No seriously tho, I feel like a fat bully playing magick dk. I just want to hurt someone but I can never catch them.

Make volatile armor give major expedition instead of the 'return melee dmg' uselessness

The way you described these skills makes me wonder when the last time you touched a Dk XD

Everyday

LegacyDM · September 2016

Try stacking petrify over talons while hitting with flame lash while dropping skoria. Op combo that wrecks other magicka classes. Since we can only dodge roll and or break free maybe like 2-3 times and then we are sitting ducks.

If your complaining about stamina classes good luck.

sirrmattus · September 2016

LegacyDM wrote: »

Try stacking petrify over talons while hitting with flame lash while dropping skoria. Op combo that wrecks other magicka classes. Since we can only dodge roll and or break free maybe like 2-3 times and then we are sitting ducks.

If your complaining about stamina classes good luck.

I feel drain essence is a better skill all around. If there were only magick players in pvp I would go petrify. Unfortunately petrify has been dodged more than any other skill I use.

kaithuzar · September 2016

Are you guys drunk?
For duels specifically; magicka dk is & has almost always been one of the strongest. Now with the buff to skoria; I'm pretty sure Blabafat has gone undefeated on the PTS with his magdk

Luigi_Vampa · September 2016

I will find you, and I will sit on you. Fear the Fat!

Xvorg · September 2016

yesterday I tried something odd with my mDK... and worked

Resto staff (precise, cuz... things)

inner light
coag blood
flame lash
healing ward
obsidian shard

U replenishing barrier

The idea is to keep coag and ward active most the time, with obsidian shard stunnig and healing and lash doing main dmg. Once I get ulti ready with replenishing barrier, I go more offensive (extra magicka, stamina and health and a 30 secs barrier).

No points into bastion yet and with a 5 pcs julianos + 3 WP + 2 torugs and nerieneth's head, but I think i can be improved with another set and cps distribution.

AverageJo3Gam3r · September 2016

kaithuzar wrote: »

Are you guys drunk?
For duels specifically; magicka dk is & has almost always been one of the strongest. Now with the buff to skoria; I'm pretty sure Blabafat has gone undefeated on the PTS with his magdk

@kaithuzar mDK are fine for duels. And for group play. It's solo open world PvP. Can a skilled player play solo open world on a mDK? Sure. But they would have an easier time on literally any other class. There's nothing that a mDK brings to solo open world that isn't done better on another class.

kaithuzar · September 2016

@AverageJo3Gam3r didn't they buff stonefist? Also, what's that set where it grabs the person farthest away & pulls them to you with a spider web; has that been tried?

@Xvorg have you tried skoria since they buffed it; it's op

Xvorg · September 2016

kaithuzar wrote: »

@AverageJo3Gam3r didn't they buff stonefist? Also, what's that set where it grabs the person farthest away & pulls them to you with a spider web; has that been tried?

@Xvorg have you tried skoria since they buffed it; it's op

Actually I'm looking for burst and sustain rather than DoTs. I thought Neri as an option for dmg increase, but Blood spawn seems to be an option too because of the ulti recover chance. Same with decisive trait in the staff.

The other option is to go Vamp (devouring swarm is cheaper than barrier and has health recovery too). In that case Skoria seems a more interesting option.

Waffennacht · September 2016

Want a gap closer against ranged enemy?

Next patch: Swarm mother (i believe)

When you block a ranged attack, it drags em to you.

Imo it's kinda OP with SnB ult: what? a free gap closer and damage prevention for free? Why, why, thank you

Xvorg · September 2016

Waffennacht wrote: »

Want a gap closer against ranged enemy?

Next patch: Swarm mother (i believe)

When you block a ranged attack, it drags em to you.

Imo it's kinda OP with SnB ult: what? a free gap closer and damage prevention for free? Why, why, thank you

Just with defensive stance is OP. Permablocking -> stance -> block -> pull-> reflect -> stun... how much stam did you spend?

edit: With absorb magic is strong too.

AverageJo3Gam3r · September 2016

kaithuzar wrote: »

@AverageJo3Gam3r didn't they buff stonefist? Also, what's that set where it grabs the person farthest away & pulls them to you with a spider web; has that been tried?

@Xvorg have you tried skoria since they buffed it; it's op

Stonefist is a joke. It deals minimal damage and knocks them down giving cc immunity. Fossilize or invigorating drain are much, much better.

I don't see how swarm mother will help mDK in solo open world. In small group, maybe, but if you want a pull why not just run chains? Seems like a gimmick.

In any case, gap closers are not the issue with mDK. People will gap close to you. It's the lack of healing, burst, execute, escape, and mobility that mDKs lack that makes them underperform in open world solo PvP. Solve two of those problems and mDK will be fine.

PS. Other people call open world solo PvP 1vX. I don't call it 1vX because I'm not specifically seeking out those fights because I have a hero complex. I'm seeking small skirmishes at the supply lines or outskirts of a major battle. I avoid my Zerg and enemy zergs. Buuuuut...this playstyle naturally means I will be outnumbered 2, 3, or 4 to one almost every fight. Something like stonefist buffs or pulling gimmicks don't help me win these fights.

Xvorg · September 2016

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

@AverageJo3Gam3r didn't they buff stonefist? Also, what's that set where it grabs the person farthest away & pulls them to you with a spider web; has that been tried?

@Xvorg have you tried skoria since they buffed it; it's op

Stonefist is a joke. It deals minimal damage and knocks them down giving cc immunity. Fossilize or invigorating drain are much, much better.

I don't see how swarm mother will help mDK in solo open world. In small group, maybe, but if you want a pull why not just run chains? Seems like a gimmick.

In any case, gap closers are not the issue with mDK. People will gap close to you. It's the lack of healing, burst, execute, escape, and mobility that mDKs lack that makes them underperform in open world solo PvP. Solve two of those problems and mDK will be fine.

PS. Other people call open world solo PvP 1vX. I don't call it 1vX because I'm not specifically seeking out those fights because I have a hero complex. I'm seeking small skirmishes at the supply lines or outskirts of a major battle. I avoid my Zerg and enemy zergs. Buuuuut...this playstyle naturally means I will be outnumbered 2, 3, or 4 to one almost every fight. Something like stonefist buffs or pulling gimmicks don't help me win these fights.

Stonefist can be put in more than one enemy while petrify is restricted to one each time. Obsidian shard's purpose is primary healing then the stun for whip, if you don't get the stun (or if the enemy gets CC immunity), you can still keep on spamming it to regain health, ulti and stam.
Regarding swarm mother, I understand it helps against mDK s spamming heavy flame/force pulse/destro reach, which is currently the more efficient way to play the class in LA.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · September 2016

I love how when people talk about balance they use the world's best players as an example. Just because a magicka DK is good in the hands of an ESO legend doesn't mean it's good. If just means that person is spectacular.

An average magic DK is laughably under powered in a massive Cyrodiil fight.

AverageJo3Gam3r · September 2016

@Xvorg I think that's the difference between our opinions on stonefist. Sounds like you're using light armored destro staff and keeping your distance. I tried this with elegance heavy attack for a week, but felt like I was playing an underpowered sorc.

My usual build is the traditional heavy armored sword n board.

Xvorg · September 2016

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

@Xvorg I think that's the difference between our opinions on stonefist. Sounds like you're using light armored destro staff and keeping your distance. I tried this with elegance heavy attack for a week, but felt like I was playing an underpowered sorc.

My usual build is the traditional heavy armored sword n board.

Nope, light armored and resto

inner light
coag blood
healing ward
flame lash
obsidian shard/petrify (tried it yesterday and it is nice in 1v1)

U Replenishing Barrier

The set up is quite strong in 1v1 despite not having the ideal equipment (just the standard julianos + torugs + willpower in purple). The build is done to resists burst attack while making dmg (and healing) at the same time untill the enemy ran out of resources. (5 out of 6 skills do something besides healing you). That's why coag blood (more healing received) and a earthen heart CC (stamina return and ulti gen) are important.

Nevertheless I'm thinking on a sep up that favors shield stacking and maxes crit. For 1T I'm considering this:

5 julianos
5 combat physician
1 MSA resto staff (decisive or precise)

With that set up, obsidian shard becomes key, since I need the crit healing to pop up physician's shield as much as possible. I know it is not a strong shield, but having it each time I crit on a selfheal, and paired with healing ward shield makes it interesting