ESO using Hero Engine and Havok . Hello lag and bug !

LaerothKeykalyn · August 2016

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You told us this game wouldnt use Hero Engine, that you just used it for conceptual work in the beginning, and that you wrote your very own engine...You lied to us!

I wanted to re-install the game completly and get this thrown right into my face "Powered by Hero Engine", then a Havok logo right after...What the ***??

This explains why this games loading times is as long as they are, and it also explains why you cannot fix the bugs, you need to rely on a third party company to fix bugs for you wich you then use to create your patches...This game is beyond fixing now, I'm 100% certain that you can never fix the bugs because you have zero control over the game.
It also explains why you keep on pushing patches with tons of bugs that have been reported for weeks, sometimes even months on PTS.

I have zero trust left for Zenimax and Bethesda now, good luck with your future releases wich I will not be a part of anymore.

Sincerly
A deeply insulted fan

Edit 2014-06-02:

Here's my findings on this. It's not like they would just throw away that amount of money, Idea Fabrik getting a share of the revenue wich is bound by contract.

This is from when Zenimax signed the license for the engine.
http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20071126005053&newsLang=en

And this is from 2014. Notice the little logo on the bottom of the first page?:)
http://static.elderscrollsonline.com/cs/kb/pdf/ESO_PC_MM_EN_digital.pdf

The tiny text at the bottom is also interesting, Hero Cloud contains SpeedTree, coincidence?
RAD Gametools wich consists of Bink Video and Granny Animation is also included in Hero Cloud.

© 2014 ZeniMax Media Inc. The Elder Scrolls® Online developed by ZeniMax Online Studios LLC, a ZeniMax Media company. ZeniMax, The Elder Scrolls,
ESO, Bethesda, Bethesda Softworks and related logos are registered trademarks or trademarks of ZeniMax Media Inc. in the US and/or other countries.
Uses Havok™: ©Copyright 1999-2010. Havok.com, Inc. (and its Licensors), All Rights Reserved. See http://www.havok.com for details. Portions of this software
utilize SpeedTree® technology (©2009 Interactive Data Visualization, Inc.) SpeedTree® is a registered trademark of Interactive Data Visualization, Inc. All
rights reserved. Uses Bink Video. Copyright ©1997-2014 by RAD Game Tools, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Uses Granny Animation. Copyright ©1999-2007
by RAD Game Tools, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Powered by Lingoona ® Grammar Engine © Lingoona GmbH 2009-2014. Acapela Text-To-Speech from
Acapela Group. Powered by HeroEngine, an Idea Fabrik technology, http://www.heroengine.com. Idea Fabrik and HeroEngine are registered trademarks of Idea
Fabrik Plc. All rights reserved. The ratings icon is a trademark of the Entertainment Software Association. All Rights Reserved.

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Sharee · August 2016

The game used hero engine for a development prototype. It has not used hero engine since release.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/05/25/why-the-elder-scrolls-online-isn-39-t-using-heroengine.aspx

Ashtaris · August 2016

And since they used the Hero engine in it's initial development, they have to include it in the credits. Nuff said.

idk · August 2016

@Sharee is correct. OP doesn't have the full story, far from it.

Besides, don't see it worth the rage.

Cously · August 2016

That explain why we don't have underwater.

ItsGlaive · August 2016

People will tell you it doesn't use Hero Engine because the devs said so. What the devs said is they used a "custom" engine. Funnily enough SWTOR does too - it's a custom Hero Engine with code added in on top. Sounds very tinfoil hat I know, but it's very common for this kind of wordplay to occur in marketing.

nine9six · August 2016

I thought they used a "Custom Hero Engine". IDK for sure.

BrianDavion · August 2016

, Sas I understand it the hero engine was done for some early developmental world building, but the actual in game engine is something differant.

even if they DO use Hero, the bum rap that engine has is mostly from SWTOR, which basicly used an alpha of the engine to produce the game.

well that and the devs for Bioware are quick to blame the engine for stuff they proably just don't want to do

MidknightWolf · August 2016

The moment you take one engine and write your own code to change it, it becomes your engine. For all intensive purposes it is the Hero Engine in reality but ZOS essentially modded the engine into their own.

idk · August 2016

nine9six wrote: »

I thought they used a "Custom Hero Engine". IDK for sure.

They used a custom hero engine in early developement.

Cously wrote: »

That explain why we don't have underwater.

Uncertain how this is relevant.

IcyDeadPeople · August 2016

Elfdominion4 wrote: »

you need to rely on a third party company to fix bugs for you wich you then use to create your patches

Whether this game uses some part of Hero engine or not, pretty sure there is an internal team that fixes bugs. Many have been fixed since launch.

MidknightWolf wrote: »

. For all intensive purposes

Milvan · August 2016

I'll just ignore the such amount of misinformation that the op brought up since my comrades already corrected it.

Tho, ESO engine is definetely needs a rework, I don't know if this is viable, but look at the asian mmorpgs, they have much more features than ESO because their engine actually allows it: dinamic sea and ships, underwater combat and exploration, capes etc etc etc.

danno8 · August 2016

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/05/25/why-the-elder-scrolls-online-isn-39-t-using-heroengine.aspx

You licensed HeroEngine a long time ago. What role did the Hero Engine play in the development of ESO?

"We started ZeniMax Online from scratch, with no employees and no technology. We had to build everything ourselves. It takes a long time to write game engines, especially MMO engines, which are inherently more complicated than typical single-player ones. So, we decided to license the HeroEngine to give us a headstart. It was a useful tool for us to use to prototype areas and game design concepts, and it provided us the ability to get art into the game that was visible, so we could work on the game’s art style. Our plan is for ESO to be a world class MMO, with the most advanced social features found in any MMO to date – so while we were prototyping the game on HeroEngine, we were simultaneously developing our own client, server, and messaging layer that were specifically designed with ESO in mind. Think of HeroEngine as a whiteboard for us – a great tool to get some ideas in the game and start looking at them while the production engine was in development."

Now whether or not you like the client they developed is a different matter. But you can no longer deny that they did in fact make their own client.

danno8 · August 2016

MidknightWolf wrote: »

The moment you take one engine and write your own code to change it, it becomes your engine. For all intensive purposes it is the Hero Engine in reality but ZOS essentially modded the engine into their own.

For all intents and purposes they wrote their own engine from scratch.

idk · August 2016

I think we can let this thread die away. OP probably understands now that he did t get the appropriate information. I would not expect him to post in this thread again.

yodased · August 2016

Their 'custom' engine

Rohamad_Ali · August 2016

Cously wrote: »

That explain why we don't have underwater.

Yes same as SWTOR .

Elsonso · August 2016

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Cously wrote: »

That explain why we don't have underwater.

Yes same as SWTOR .

Interesting logic. By this logic, we can assume that ESO does not use Hero because the game is not science fiction.

I am totally confused now.

nimander99 · August 2016

Notice the two games right above ESO? Were you crying about them on their forums? Nope.

ES: Oblivion "Leeetz!"

ES: Skyrim "When's Skyrim 2 coming out?"

Now I'm gonna gloss over that they used Hero Engine as conceptual design

*buries head in sand like Ostrich

nimander99 · August 2016

lordrichter wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Cously wrote: »

That explain why we don't have underwater.

Yes same as SWTOR .

Interesting logic. By this logic, we can assume that ESO does not use Hero because the game is not science fiction.

I am totally confused now.

Yeah, It's extremely misleading when you see Powered by Hero Engine in front of SWTOR and ESO... I mean, SWTOR is basically World of Starwars whereas ESO plays like Skyrim and Oblivion... Hrmmmmmm. What conclusions can we draw from this?

Kharnis · August 2016

Did the OP bother to find out what "Acapela Group" is? Did he bother to find out that, rather than the game engine that powers the game play of TESO, Acapela Group is a software firm that specialises in converting text to a speech files? Those would be those rather robotic sounding NPCs we all heard when we were in beta, robotic sounding NPCs that have since been replaced by actual voice-acted NPCs.

But what am I saying? Of course the OP bothered to find out what the Acapela Group is.

I won't mention that RAD Gametools is a completely separate and wholly independent company from (and, in fact, has no connection whatsoever to) Hero Engine and is used exclusively for video sequences, nor will I mention that SpeedTree is also completely independent and is partnered with Havok (not Hero Engine). Because pointing those out would just be rude.