Dual Wield and Sword 'n' Board need to be revamped.

anthonylpz · August 2016

Anyone else think that 1h/s and DW need to be revamped? Maybe I'm just a noob, but it feels like 2h and bow is the only viable combination for 90% of stam users. Unless you're running an orc stam sorc (crazy mobility), you need to run a bow for the mobility and 2h is indispensible because no other stamina skill line has a burst heal like rally. Thoughts?

Sandman929 · August 2016

I guess it depends on how you define "viable". People don't have to build cookie cutter "metas", but they do. Stam heals are too strong IMO. Blood Craze and Blood Thirst are a good combo for DW's if you can land that last Blood Thirst hit and don't want to run exactly what 90% of the stamina builds are running.

anthonylpz · August 2016

Sandman929 wrote: »

I guess it depends on how you define "viable". People don't have to build cookie cutter "metas", but they do. Stam heals are too strong IMO. Blood Craze and Blood Thirst are a good combo for DW's if you can land that last Blood Thirst hit and don't want to run exactly what 90% of the stamina builds are running.

I agree it's "possible" to run dw and possibly 1h/s in certain situations, but if you want to optimize your damage and mobility, 2h and bow is the way to go. What bothers me is that there isn't more than one way to be a strong solo player. I wish there was more build diversity for stamina users. I guess it's possible to have a different build, but not really without having a small group with you.

Sandman929 · August 2016

anthonylpz wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

I guess it depends on how you define "viable". People don't have to build cookie cutter "metas", but they do. Stam heals are too strong IMO. Blood Craze and Blood Thirst are a good combo for DW's if you can land that last Blood Thirst hit and don't want to run exactly what 90% of the stamina builds are running.

I agree it's "possible" to run dw and possibly 1h/s in certain situations, but if you want to optimize your damage and mobility, 2h and bow is the way to go. What bothers me is that there isn't more than one way to be a strong solo player. I wish there was more build diversity for stamina users. I guess it's possible to have a different build, but not really without having a small group with you.

I guess that's the key to being able to get creative in this group oriented MMO...having a group.

susmitds · August 2016

Well, on my Stamina Nightblade, I either run DW/2H(usually) or DW/Bow(when I gank) or DW/1H(rarely).
As I get nearly everything I require from class skills, DW is my main. 2H is just for buffs. I don't really need bow as Double-Take gives me the mobility I need and that too in a way better than Bow. Ambush is my main gap closer. Flying Blade is great for the occasional ranged offense (I usually spam Ambush to lock my targets down).

twistedmonk · August 2016

1h/shield is fine for PvE content.

Unsent.Soul · August 2016

twistedmonk wrote: »

1h/shield is fine for PvE content.

Okay... because this is in the PVE section, right?

Armitas · August 2016

I think it would be nice if S/B had weapon type passives for mace/axe/sword. It would also be nice if it had the ability to synergize with magicka other than Torugs pact.

Bakven · August 2016

I think they should get rid of the Rally hot all together. Stam builds already have Vigor, it's stupid to have another stam hot.

Forestd16b14_ESO · August 2016

Sword and shield is meant to defend with not to attack with . So SnS doesn't really need revamped.

Stratforge · August 2016

For solo play 2h is pretty necessary because of rally but SnB is a perfectly viable replacement for bow.

BruhItsOver9000 · August 2016

I wish they could give us major brutality on dw that doesn't take you out of stealth.

Jaronking · August 2016

On Xbox I run SNB and 2h back bar.My 2hand bar is my buff bar and SNB is were I do most of my damage .I usually play solo and in a small group of 3-5 people.You can do it no problem but for some class like DK and stam sorc you have to run 2h and bow so you can have mobility and a spammable ability.

Armitas · August 2016

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Sword and shield is meant to defend with not to attack with . So SnS doesn't really need revamped.

In warfare s/b is meant to kill and block. It was a staple of warfare for a long time.

CatchMeTrolling · August 2016

Sword and shield is actually very good if used right

Moglijuana · August 2016

If DW had a good hard hitting CC, it would be a refreshing replacement for 2h. The heals and major brutality are already achievable in other ways but the lack of a good cc on a main dps bar annoys me.

syko809 · August 2016

anthonylpz wrote: »

Anyone else think that 1h/s and DW need to be revamped? Maybe I'm just a noob, but it feels like 2h and bow is the only viable combination for 90% of stam users. Unless you're running an orc stam sorc (crazy mobility), you need to run a bow for the mobility and 2h is indispensible because no other stamina skill line has a burst heal like rally. Thoughts?

Before they even think about this how about the revamp destro ability with a major buff because it is never use in any magicka class

hasselhoffman · August 2016

I sword and board on all my stam characters. I think it has the best utility hands down out of all the weapon classes. Heavy attack, ransack, and bash can put out some decent dps if animation cancelled properly. Reverberating bash for heal stackers, and defensive posture for casters. Two hand is my second favorite.

Lexxypwns · August 2016

Jaronking wrote: »

On Xbox I run SNB and 2h back bar.My 2hand bar is my buff bar and SNB is were I do most of my damage .I usually play solo and in a small group of 3-5 people.You can do it no problem but for some class like DK and stam sorc you have to run 2h and bow so you can have mobility and a spammable ability.

The best stam DK build in the game is 2h/snb.

Stam sorc is definitely not restricted to 2h/bow. DW/bow and SnB/bow are both viable on stam sorc if you want to run them, reverb is stupid strong and now that there's a stam ult for them you can almost just reverb>DBoS for all your kills

AverageJo3Gam3r · August 2016

I kill people all day long with light attack ransack bash when on my stamDK. 2H on the back bar for rally and execute.

1HS is fine. DW would be hard to buff in PvP without overbuffing it in PvE--right now DW is the best PvE spec so no need to buff it further.

susmitds · August 2016

Moglijuana wrote: »

If DW had a good hard hitting CC, it would be a refreshing replacement for 2h. The heals and major brutality are already achievable in other ways but the lack of a good cc on a main dps bar annoys me.

Use Surprise Attack and Cloak

leepalmer95 · August 2016

I use dw/2h on my stamplar and s&b/2h on my stam dk.

There fine.