Battle Spirit 5k HP Free Buff? Why does this still exist? The game evolved remove it.

ku5h · July 2016

Sharee wrote: »

ku5h wrote: »

Its funny to me how ppl automaticly think they will have to play with 5k HP less, it's not even in the back of their mind to maybe cut a few k from their 40k+ main resource pool and add to HP.

Of course it is in their mind, it is just unreasonable to do so.

Say you sacrifice damage to increase your HP by 5K points. How is that going to help you? You now have 5K more HP than your opponent, but you also are doing less damage to him. You will survive longer, but so will he. It's a wash.

Meanwhile, any situation where you need to make a quick kill and get away before being overwhelmed will see you at a disadvantage, since you now take longer to kill, giving your target time to recover, and risking that he will get help from adds.

Well both of you'r point are more or less true. On you'r first point, well, shouldnt it be like that, I call it balanced.
On you'r second, if you'r target invested in extra hp he should have a chance to survive unless you speced full on gank build. This would only make gankers more riskier playstyle, since now you can spec gank and still have sustain and 20k+ HP. I honestly dont like current meta where you can be tanky and have monster dps output, hell 90% of Cyro population is running a version of this build style.

CatchMeTrolling · July 2016

Damage is way too high for someone to seriously suggest removing that buff, while you're at just unnerf damage, healing and shields.

BruhItsOver9000 · August 2016

Won't really care if they remove it., it would just make my ganking easier.

Lava_Croft · August 2016

Health is so meaningless in ESO that ZOS gives us 5000 points for free.

Methariorn · August 2016

Blenace stamina and magicka builds, put damage on a decent scale, remove animation canceling and we may speak of removing that buff, imho.

visionality · August 2016

Sharee wrote: »

Paraflex wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

I don't think people would put points into health if you removed the free 5K. The game would just become even closer to call of duty than it already is.

On the other hand, the battle spirit value i could get behind. The whole idea was to make fights last longer, and for a while it did, but the power creep with champion points etc. brought us right back where we were before the debuff was increased to 50%.

I'm sure there will always be a portion of players who put 100% of their points into damage builds. They will also be easy to kill and may think twice about running around with 15k Health in PvP.

If you decide to put points in health, you will have to sacrifice damage to do so, and as a result those glass cannons will survive against you just as well even with lower health. They will be easier to kill, but only by those who also put 100% of their points into damage.

In other words, there will be zero motivation for a 100% damage player to put points into health, because he only be comes easier to kill by other 100% damage players, but he will also be able to kill them faster, so its a wash. Hence, call-of-duty-fying of the game - kill in a second, or be killed in a second.

I disagree. You don't trade 100% damage for 100% health, you make a mix between the two. I'm playing a stam NB that is having high regen combined with good damage and a not-too-low health (19k something). Result: I never get one-shotted, but 90% of all "super-DDs" die a quick and agreeable death once their initial damage evaporizes. The rest only survives cause they have some very nearby friends...

From my point of view, investing some points in health is not only helpful but highly recommended. (Ofc the 100%-wannabe-DDs are allowed to contradict, they have enough time while their 5-minutes-respawn-timer ticks ^^)

Liofa · August 2016

I sense that you have a gank build that 1-shots half of the players but couldn't 1-shot a tanky one that got away with 4999 hp .

Game evolved ? Really ? PvP in this game goes like this : you either burst your opponent in 2 seconds or the fight continues to eternity until someone makes a huge mistake . What you want will only reduce that 2 seconds to 1 . Bring back soft caps and I am all for removing Battle Spirit . This game needs soft caps back as soon as possible .

Czirne · August 2016

Instead of flat 5k health it should be percentige of players base health. With flat value there is problem - for example - that full DD character has like 33% health more (from 15 to 20k health), and people who have some tankines gets less from flat value (from 25k its 30k - 20% increase health, instead of 33% increase that full dd gets)

Maybe to double everyones base health, and remove 50% damage and healing debuffs - health will be more important, and with that debuff removed there will be less canculations, it could help reduce lag and improve performance(now is every damage done and healing done halfed, it surely affects performance somehow).

Paraflex · August 2016

Czirne wrote: »

Instead of flat 5k health it should be percentige of players base health. With flat value there is problem - for example - that full DD character has like 33% health more (from 15 to 20k health), and people who have some tankines gets less from flat value (from 25k its 30k - 20% increase health, instead of 33% increase that full dd gets)

Maybe to double everyones base health, and remove 50% damage and healing debuffs - health will be more important, and with that debuff removed there will be less canculations, it could help reduce lag and improve performance(now is every damage done and healing done halfed, it surely affects performance somehow).

If you did it on a percentage of players health people would be incentivized to build blazing shield builds and stack health. This would not be a good idea to give a percentage to players base health. You need to think of the cause and effect of this free buff.