Hot_spur wrote: »

I wish they hadn't put these in the game, unless you get the Thieves Guild DLC.

They're the same color glow as the Mages Guild lore books, so I wander over to one thinking I will advance my Mages Guild level, and find out I just wasted my time because it's just a damn thieves trove.

ZOS just trolled you.

Essiaga wrote: »

They're pretty worthless anyways.

Only if you ignore the fact they contain Style Materials only obtainable through them (the Chalk materials). They're only worthless when someone loots a fresh one but leaves some stuff in them to prevent their respawn because they're too lazy to take and destroy what they don't need.

Hot_spur wrote: »

I wish they hadn't put these in the game, unless you get the Thieves Guild DLC.

poke, poke... are you getting the hint yet?

Crown Store is this way --->

Vipstaakki wrote: »

Buy the thieves guild DLC. Problem solved.

As to the worth of these troves. You can get some Epic - level loot from them. Nightmother and shadowstrider sets included and of course those laundered shipments you can sell for gold at Outlaw's refuge.

How is that problem solved? I sub and the thieves troves still glow with the same hue as lore books.

Hot_spur wrote: »

I wish they hadn't put these in the game, unless you get the Thieves Guild DLC.

They're the same color glow as the Mages Guild lore books, so I wander over to one thinking I will advance my Mages Guild level, and find out I just wasted my time because it's just a damn thieves trove.

I would not object to making troves invisible to those without the TG DLC. means less competition for them.

of course, would spawn lotsa screams about P2W with darkstride cp160 etc dropping from them as well as counterfeit scrolls and the whole style mat thing would annoy some.

m,aybe instead of jumping all the way to taking them away from a group of people you just ask for a color change?

Also, frankly, you hear them usually before you see them IMX. last i checked their whine was not like lorebooks at all.

Essiaga wrote: »

They're pretty worthless anyways.

The crates and potions are. The lockpicks are useful for leveling legerdemain on an alt. The sets are intermittently decent for stealth focused players. But, they remain one of the easiest sources of V16 gear in the game. So they certainly have a use.

MasterSpatula wrote:

A one-time purchase does not keep servers running and pay for bug-fixes. Even if you never touch the DLC, if you bought the game once and never sub or buy crowns, your'e freeloading.

Freeloading is using resources that don't belong to you. That's all it means.
As nobody owns anything in the game and every single byte of content is a lease/rental, it's not a term you can apply to just certain people. There's no unique terms of service for additional content rental. You don't get extra entitlements for more content.

The same access guidelines and limitations exist whether you purchased the base game or have everything unlocked plus ESO+. So you can take your sunk cost paranoia and stuff it in your craft bag because you can't scare people into 'saving' your rental property.

I'm ESO+ now. Bought a lot of crowns. Still don't give a *** because that's not my job. That's ZOS's.

Acrolas wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote:

A one-time purchase does not keep servers running and pay for bug-fixes. Even if you never touch the DLC, if you bought the game once and never sub or buy crowns, your'e freeloading.

Freeloading is using resources that don't belong to you. That's all it means.
As nobody owns anything in the game and every single byte of content is a lease/rental, it's not a term you can apply to just certain people. There's no unique terms of service for additional content rental. You don't get extra entitlements for more content.

The same access guidelines and limitations exist whether you purchased the base game or have everything unlocked plus ESO+. So you can take your sunk cost paranoia and stuff it in your craft bag because you can't scare people into 'saving' your rental property.

I'm ESO+ now. Bought a lot of crowns. Still don't give a *** because that's not my job. That's ZOS's.

Actually freloadining is usually keyed to using with giving anything in return.

If i use your pool in exchange for cleaning it... or doing the maintaing thats not freeloading except to you perhaps.

Worthless? I was able to sell a few blue items for around 6k total..seems like a win to me at least.

Hot_spur wrote: »

I am one of those who is compulsive about turning all icons white.

Same

MasterSpatula wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Yes, yes, God forbid they actually do anything to encourage freeloaders to pay for the development and upkeep of the game.

That word doesn't mean what you think it means ...

free·load·er, noun informal, a person who takes advantage of others' generosity without giving anything in return.

Server operation, server maintenance, bug fixes, base-game change and additions... When it comes to people who have only bought the base game, it means precisely what I think it means.

Semantic arguments, always a fun way to derail a thread.

They gave money, received bacon the game.

Yay semantics.

They just need to make them glow a different colour other than blue and people can ignore them if they like.

MasterSpatula wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Yes, yes, God forbid they actually do anything to encourage freeloaders to pay for the development and upkeep of the game.

That word doesn't mean what you think it means ...

free·load·er, noun informal, a person who takes advantage of others' generosity without giving anything in return.

Server operation, server maintenance, bug fixes, base-game change and additions... When it comes to people who have only bought the base game, it means precisely what I think it means.

Semantic arguments, always a fun way to derail a thread.

One does not simply call a player of a buy to play game a freeloader. If you do you obviously don't know what "free" and "buy" mean lol

In laman's terms no one in ESO is a freeloader, unless they pirated ESO onto their PC or Console at no cost to them, or swiped someone else's copy.

You're (several of you) missing the difference between a freeloader and a thief. If you didn't pay for the base game, you're a thief. If you payed for it but are enjoying the benefits of server operation, server maintenance, bug fixes, base game changes, Craglorn, Trials, etc without paying in some way, you're freeloading. You're getting something that has an ongoing cost to ZOS at no cost to you. You are receiving benefits for which you are not paying. This really isn't even debatable.

Alright let's break this down shall we? There is clearly some confusion still about.

Freeloader: Someone that doesn't pay a single cent for anything they are using that they would normally be charged for, such as a place to live, rent, and food.

Free to play: A game that can be obtained and played for free.
Buy to play: A game that must be bought to be played.
Pay to play: A game that requires a subscription to play.

A F2P game is one you cannot possibly freeload on whatsoever because it's there at no cost to you whatsoever.
A B2P game is one you pay for to obtain and own but never have to pay toward again to keep playing. You're only freeloading if you obtained this game without paying for it. This could be a giveaway by a friend or just plain stolen.
A P2P game is one you pay a subscription for, can also include B2P but that's a pretty bad approach and why Zenimax didn't do it for consoles on account of PS+. Freeloading on this game can only be done if someone else is paying your subscripion and if B2P is involved refer to the above.

You are not a freeloader if you do not make OPTIONAL donations or purchases related to the game. Simple as that.