Idea for a build, but im a returning player and ignorant of meta

OndursKelto · June 2016

I have an idea for a build, and ive been doing alright with it for solo bs pve, but can anyone tell me how this build would size up to the pvp crowd?

StamDK, 2H/Bow, lots of champ points into Mighty (inc physical/*poison*/disease), and spec into Noxious Breath and Venomous Claw, Snipe with the poison morph, and Poisonous Arrow.
Dont know enough about sets to make this a complete build, but its a start.

Would this be viable? Im able to kite around crag's 5-mobs and do pretty good, but im just not sure peoples self heals/cleanses wouldnt take care of the output.

OndursKelto · June 2016

I guess to finish the build, Im running noxious breath, venom claw, poisonous arrow, lethal arrow and shuffle on bow bar
on 2H: dragon fire scale, igneous shield, rally, crit rush, resolving vigor.

medium armor

and i dont know much about sets/stam-health allocation/regen/weapon dmg, etc.. Im mainly just wondering if the heavy dots are viable

ThulsaDoomDC · June 2016

It's an interesting build but my opinion is gonna be no and here's why;

1) DoTs in PvP unless its something like poison injection aren't really viable. Purge, Negate things of that nature combat it too easily. You need to rely on actual DPS instantaneously and not over time if you want to win.

2) Noxious Breath, just no. lol.

2H and Bow is actually on the right path for a StamDK Build.

My StamDK is setup like this and its a burst DPS Build;

2H - Crit Charge (Crit DPS), Wrecking Blow (Empowering Effect), Executioner (This is really important to finish off enemies with for the extra damage when below 50% Health), Rally (Major Brutality increasing weapon damage and self heal), Talons (CC, run their resources out and finish em off)

Bow - Poison Injection (Because DoT plus instant good DPS), Draining Shot (Good CC when ambushed or need a good heal), Silver Shards (Charge a heavy attack with your bow, then while holding the attack still hit your silver shards button. It'll release both arrows for some major DPS. This is what I initiate fights with. Also slows movement speed down.), Vigor (Heals), Reflective Scales (For Group PvP and Ranged people).

Put all points into stam. Running full medium for passives bonus. Good set to run is 5 piece Hundings Rage and 2 Piece Night Mother.

Hope this helps. Keep the DK's Alive!

EDIT: My Ultimate currently is Bats on both bars. Devouring Bats because I like to 1vX and DPS plus heals keeps me alive when I pop them. However I hear Dawnbreaker of Smiting is pretty good and OP right now.

OndursKelto · June 2016

Thanks for the info. I just wanted to have a full dot class. thought it would be neat. and noxious breath is definitely a low dps ability, but it grants major fracture, which is nice

ThulsaDoomDC · June 2016

Dots on dk are magicka based tbh. I have a lvl 20 mDK that is pretty good at pvp

Ashnunn · June 2016

Reroll mTemplar,

slot RD

commence PVP

Sandman929 · June 2016

ThulsaDoomDC wrote: »

It's an interesting build but my opinion is gonna be no and here's why;

1) DoTs in PvP unless its something like poison injection aren't really viable. Purge, Negate things of that nature combat it too easily. You need to rely on actual DPS instantaneously and not over time if you want to win.

2) Noxious Breath, just no. lol.

2H and Bow is actually on the right path for a StamDK Build.

My StamDK is setup like this and its a burst DPS Build;

2H - Crit Charge (Crit DPS), Wrecking Blow (Empowering Effect), Executioner (This is really important to finish off enemies with for the extra damage when below 50% Health), Rally (Major Brutality increasing weapon damage and self heal), Talons (CC, run their resources out and finish em off)

Bow - Poison Injection (Because DoT plus instant good DPS), Draining Shot (Good CC when ambushed or need a good heal), Silver Shards (Charge a heavy attack with your bow, then while holding the attack still hit your silver shards button. It'll release both arrows for some major DPS. This is what I initiate fights with. Also slows movement speed down.), Vigor (Heals), Reflective Scales (For Group PvP and Ranged people).

Put all points into stam. Running full medium for passives bonus. Good set to run is 5 piece Hundings Rage and 2 Piece Night Mother.

Hope this helps. Keep the DK's Alive!

EDIT: My Ultimate currently is Bats on both bars. Devouring Bats because I like to 1vX and DPS plus heals keeps me alive when I pop them. However I hear Dawnbreaker of Smiting is pretty good and OP right now.

I'd have to disagree, DoTs are very strong on a stam DK, particularly if you plan to eventually work Valkyn Skoria into the mix, but it depends on how you want to play. If you want "the meta", then yeah, pretty much everyone is running what Thulsa wrote.
I run tankier with 5H/2M and prefer to apply about 40k/10s worth of DoTs and watch the meteors fall.

SneaK · June 2016

I think what you are doing would be a bit difficult cause half your DoTs are melee and half are ranged. It might be a possibility to run this but I'd think you would want to run Draining Shot as a CC. That said, you'd probably want to drop one of the melee DoT's (or Crit Rush). Picture the rotation being:

Poison Inject, bar swap, Crit Rush, apply Venomous Claw/Nox Breath, bar swap, Draining Shot, Lethal Arrow, etc.

This build would probably be pretty strong 1v1, but it would be really difficult being outnumbered, even just 1v2.

(I would put the dkwings on my bow bar)

OndursKelto · July 2016

Thanks for all the info,

and when you say:

ThulsaDoomDC wrote: »

Dots on dk are magicka based tbh. I have a lvl 20 mDK that is pretty good at pvp

do you mean that the dots from noxious breath and venomous claw are scaled from spell dmg? even when they are morphed into the stamina counterparts?

Birdovic · July 2016

OndursKelto wrote: »

Thanks for all the info,

and when you say:

ThulsaDoomDC wrote: »

Dots on dk are magicka based tbh. I have a lvl 20 mDK that is pretty good at pvp

do you mean that the dots from noxious breath and venomous claw are scaled from spell dmg? even when they are morphed into the stamina counterparts?

No, both scale with Stamina.
I dont know what his problem is with Noxious Breath, but its a great Ability. Use it, venomous claw, too.

And instead of Executioner you should try reverse slice (the other morph).
Imagine you use it against a Target with like 10% Health. The Damage you deal to him is very high, and close enemies will receive that same Damage, too, just by standing close to the Main Target.
So what do you think is better:
- Up to 335% Extra Damage on a single Target (Executioner)
- Up to 300% Extra Damage on a Main Target and other close Enemies (Reverse Slice)

A nice combination is using Noxious Breath(multi target dot) + Dawnbreaker of Smiting (multi target stun + dot) and Reverse Slice. If you are fast enough you can take out a small group at once with surprise.

Brrrofski · July 2016

ThulsaDoomDC wrote: »

Dots on dk are magicka based tbh. I have a lvl 20 mDK that is pretty good at pvp

Thanks for the completely incorrect advise. Keep it up!

OP, pvp is about urst unfortunately. People heal abd purge through dots. In duels... One or two is nice to keep pressure abd attempt to burn resources. In open world, you need to burst someone then move onto the next.

OndursKelto · July 2016

Birdovic wrote: »

OndursKelto wrote: »

Thanks for all the info,

and when you say:

ThulsaDoomDC wrote: »

Dots on dk are magicka based tbh. I have a lvl 20 mDK that is pretty good at pvp

do you mean that the dots from noxious breath and venomous claw are scaled from spell dmg? even when they are morphed into the stamina counterparts?

No, both scale with Stamina.
I dont know what his problem is with Noxious Breath, but its a great Ability. Use it, venomous claw, too.

And instead of Executioner you should try reverse slice (the other morph).
Imagine you use it against a Target with like 10% Health. The Damage you deal to him is very high, and close enemies will receive that same Damage, too, just by standing close to the Main Target.
So what do you think is better:
- Up to 335% Extra Damage on a single Target (Executioner)
- Up to 300% Extra Damage on a Main Target and other close Enemies (Reverse Slice)

A nice combination is using Noxious Breath(multi target dot) + Dawnbreaker of Smiting (multi target stun + dot) and Reverse Slice. If you are fast enough you can take out a small group at once with surprise.

Ya i switched it to reverse slice. Like you say, the extra 35% from exec. is ok, but the aoe is sick

Xvorg · July 2016

ThulsaDoomDC wrote: »

It's an interesting build but my opinion is gonna be no and here's why;

1) DoTs in PvP unless its something like poison injection aren't really viable. Purge, Negate things of that nature combat it too easily. You need to rely on actual DPS instantaneously and not over time if you want to win.

Sure?

Let's say rapid's strike, do you think it is useless?

Now, let's say rapid strikes with 2 axes, useless?

now, let's say rending slashes and rapid strikes with 2 axes, useless?

now let's say poison inject + rending slashes + rapid strikes with 2 axes, useless?

And finally, , poison inject + rending slasehs + rapid strikes + 2 axes + DBoS, useless?

Consider that stam builds don't run purge most of the time, and that you can reapply the dot anytime you want, and that purge is a very expensive skill. So the only option is a templar using cleanse.

ThulsaDoomDC · July 2016

I've been wrong before everyone. lol. What I meant about DoTs being magicka based isn't they scale. I was referring to DK's having less Stamina Morph DoTs as opposed to their Magicka Base DoT counterparts. Thought he was talking about running a DoT DPS build and was trying to say if he wants sustained dps from DoTs to kill them to run magicka instead. But hey, you learn something new everyday

Not the least bit butthurt about being taught new stuff

Xvorg · July 2016

ThulsaDoomDC wrote: »

I've been wrong before everyone. lol. What I meant about DoTs being magicka based isn't they scale. I was referring to DK's having less Stamina Morph DoTs as opposed to their Magicka Base DoT counterparts. Thought he was talking about running a DoT DPS build and was trying to say if he wants sustained dps from DoTs to kill them to run magicka instead. But hey, you learn something new everyday Not the least bit butthurt about being taught new stuff

Stam Dots are strong. Maybe not as strong as burst dmg, but they can get very high numbers, especially when you pair mighty and thaum and crit dmg (precise strikes, shadow mundus).