Force Shock should be undodgeable

leepalmer95 · June 2016

Attackopsn wrote: »

While your at it lets make overload have infinite range, include a knockback, empower, apply major defile, be a 4000m aoe, snare targets and increase the speed of the user by 100%

Lets have all weapon skill lines ignore shields.

Dracane · June 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Attackopsn wrote: »

While your at it lets make overload have infinite range, include a knockback, empower, apply major defile, be a 4000m aoe, snare targets and increase the speed of the user by 100%

Lets have all weapon skill lines ignore shields.

Give roll dodging a 5s cooldown

leepalmer95 · June 2016

Dracane wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Attackopsn wrote: »

While your at it lets make overload have infinite range, include a knockback, empower, apply major defile, be a 4000m aoe, snare targets and increase the speed of the user by 100%

Lets have all weapon skill lines ignore shields.

Give roll dodging a 5s cooldown

Caltraps 100m radius with 100% snare. For balance reasons of course.

cschwingeb14_ESO · June 2016

Making undodgable and unblockable attacks, just cause you want them, is an unreasonable request. Because it's a bad way to balance an entire combat system. The shield breaker set is a prime example of a stupid way to balance shield.

If dodge is too powerful, it needs to be addressed by nerfing dodge, not by adding class or weapon specific abilities that ignore dodge. There are several good suggestions in this post on how to do that.

As a completely separate discussion, sorcs need a spamable attack. Fury had come up many times as a great place to put one for magicka sorcs. ZOS had declined to do it. But I think the campaign to get sorcs a spam attack is still worthwhile. Just drop the idea that it should be undodgable.

Dracane · June 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Attackopsn wrote: »

While your at it lets make overload have infinite range, include a knockback, empower, apply major defile, be a 4000m aoe, snare targets and increase the speed of the user by 100%

Lets have all weapon skill lines ignore shields.

Give roll dodging a 5s cooldown

Caltraps 100m radius with 100% snare. For balance reasons of course.

Hardened ward, free cast, 100k strenght and 20s duration.
Sorry, but we need balance I say

Father_X_Zombie · June 2016

ToRelax wrote: »

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

No, that would be stupidly op.

6k crits are stupidly op?

Yeah, for a cheap, ranged, spammable damage skill. People complained a lot about Concealed Weapon and Lave Whip when they were undodgeable, and that was before the stacking cost on dodge roll. You think making the ranged equivalent that everyone has access to undodgeable would be any more balanced?

6k crit is the best case scenario with high SD and low SR for the target. Usually it doesn't reach near that.

Xsorus · June 2016

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

No, that would be stupidly op.

6k crits are stupidly op?

Yeah, for a cheap, ranged, spammable damage skill. People complained a lot about Concealed Weapon and Lave Whip when they were undodgeable, and that was before the stacking cost on dodge roll. You think making the ranged equivalent that everyone has access to undodgeable would be any more balanced?

6k crit is the best case scenario with high SD and low SR for the target. Usually it doesn't reach near that.

Sorcs whine about fighting Shieldbreaker...that does 2k damage through shields...and you think 6k is ok through dodge....

Minalan · June 2016

Xsorus wrote: »

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

No, that would be stupidly op.

6k crits are stupidly op?

Yeah, for a cheap, ranged, spammable damage skill. People complained a lot about Concealed Weapon and Lave Whip when they were undodgeable, and that was before the stacking cost on dodge roll. You think making the ranged equivalent that everyone has access to undodgeable would be any more balanced?

6k crit is the best case scenario with high SD and low SR for the target. Usually it doesn't reach near that.

Sorcs whine about fighting Shieldbreaker...that does 2k damage through shields...and you think 6k is ok through dodge....

People on the internet have no concept of sarcasm..

Like saying something so ridiculous, it's funny and you know that wasn't the point.

Anti_Virus · June 2016

gibous wrote: »

The problem is with evasion. I think it's bad design to have both active and passive dodging in this game, and at the very least the evasion buff should only last for 6 seconds just like shields.

If that's the case then the dodge change needs to be 45%

Edit: changed to 45%

Anti_Virus · June 2016

Vythri wrote: »

We should make Snipe undodgeable too.

I second this idea!

juhasman · June 2016

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

... Meanwhile our opponents (stam builds) are able to have better DPS, and survivalibility because of shuffle and dodge roll, which happens to be the bane of Sorcs because almost all of our abilities that do decent damage are dodgeable...

Wear elegant set with lightning staff sharpened with some poison on it. You'll kill people by just spamming curse and fully charges heavy attacks from lightning staff which are both undodgeable. On PTS i was able to keep dmg pressure on magicka DK emperor with that simple rotation.

notimetocare · June 2016

Complains about sorc nerf, edits post to say he isn't here to complain

Natas013 · June 2016

Not sure what I think about it being undodgeable but I can live with it being unreflectable as it seems more like a beam than a projectile.

Minalan · June 2016

Natas013 wrote: »

Not sure what I think about it being undodgeable but I can live with it being unreflectable as it seems more like a beam than a projectile.

I'm pretty sure it's already Unreflectable?

ToRelax · June 2016

Minalan wrote: »

Natas013 wrote: »

Not sure what I think about it being undodgeable but I can live with it being unreflectable as it seems more like a beam than a projectile.

I'm pretty sure it's already Unreflectable?

no

RebornV3x · June 2016

the ability definitely needs some work and a damage buff most players just stand there not even fazed by it theres almost no point in even dodging it

ToRelax · June 2016

RebornV3x wrote: »

the ability definitely needs some work and a damage buff most players just stand there not even fazed by it theres almost no point in even dodging it

No it doesn't. It's damage was reduced for a reason when they reworked Force Pulse.

RebornV3x · June 2016

ToRelax wrote: »

RebornV3x wrote: »

the ability definitely needs some work and a damage buff most players just stand there not even fazed by it theres almost no point in even dodging it

No it doesn't. It's damage was reduced for a reason when they reworked Force Pulse.

Force Pulse hits like a wet noodle I actually think wet noodles hit harder than Force Pulse in PVP I would use Mages Fury but that's actually worse(above 20%) it shouldn't be undodgeable but it should be unreflectable and a major buff. I really want my Trapping Webs back why ZOS I'll trade the entire Deadric Summoning Line(except for ward and maybe a few crowns)for it back.

ToRelax · June 2016

RebornV3x wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

RebornV3x wrote: »

the ability definitely needs some work and a damage buff most players just stand there not even fazed by it theres almost no point in even dodging it

No it doesn't. It's damage was reduced for a reason when they reworked Force Pulse.

Force Pulse hits like a wet noodle I actually think wet noodles hit harder than Force Pulse in PVP I would use Mages Fury but that's actually worse(above 20%) it shouldn't be undodgeable but it should be unreflectable and a major buff. I really want my Trapping Webs back why ZOS I'll trade the entire Deadric Summoning Line(except for ward and maybe a few crowns)for it back.

Then Whip and Strife hit like wet noodles as well. And Force Shock was always superior to Webs...

Minalan · June 2016

ToRelax wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Natas013 wrote: »

Not sure what I think about it being undodgeable but I can live with it being unreflectable as it seems more like a beam than a projectile.

I'm pretty sure it's already Unreflectable?

no

Good to know. When I see the reflect up, I usually just hit them with curse and heavy resto until they leave an opening for a frag.

Heavy resto attack already does better than force pulse because can't be dodged or reflected, and it returns Magicka.

Lord-Otto · June 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Nothing should ignore stamina's main defence, they don't have shields which negate all crit bonuses and passives void.

It's like having force pulse just ignore shields or block.

Just adapt all the the 'decent' sorc have seemed too.

Like a permanent impen on armor and a permanent 15k spell and physical resist? One single dodgeroll negates like five critted attacks, dude. And Shuffle adds insult to injury.
Just stop your bias, young friend.
Stamina is the tremendous winner this match, dodge is OP AF and it doesn't help that one of the more popular classes, stam DK, reflects almost all of a sorc's attacks. In the meantime, that 10k+ Surprise Attack/Concealed always hits. ALWAYS. Cool.

Father_X_Zombie · June 2016

notimetocare wrote: »

Complains about sorc nerf, edits post to say he isn't here to complain

Actually the edit was a grammar error

And the sorc nerf is kinda the reason this change, or the mages fury change Is needed. Read my posts

Father_X_Zombie · June 2016

Lord-Otto wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Nothing should ignore stamina's main defence, they don't have shields which negate all crit bonuses and passives void.

It's like having force pulse just ignore shields or block.

Just adapt all the the 'decent' sorc have seemed too.

Like a permanent impen on armor and a permanent 15k spell and physical resist? One single dodgeroll negates like five critted attacks, dude. And Shuffle adds insult to injury.
Just stop your bias, young friend.
Stamina is the tremendous winner this match, dodge is OP AF and it doesn't help that one of the more popular classes, stam DK, reflects almost all of a sorc's attacks. In the meantime, that 10k+ Surprise Attack/Concealed always hits. ALWAYS. Cool.

This.......

deepseamk20b14_ESO · June 2016

It would just become a radiant spam rerun. No.

Minalan · June 2016

Back to the point: force pulse is a beam, why is is reflectable again?

Snatchez · June 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

holosoul wrote: »

Oh is it too hard?
I'm so sorry to hear that.
Perhaps slotting vigor and dodging behind a tree will help.

Don't worry, we all need time and experience.

If you actually have a problem with dodge rolling you really need to learn a few things.

Having the desto dps skill as undodgeable is just a stupid idea i can't even believe it was actually suggested.

Father_X_Zombie · June 2016

Minalan wrote: »

Back to the point: force pulse is a beam, why is is reflectable again?

Cuz Zos logic

Father_X_Zombie · June 2016

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

It would just become a radiant spam rerun. No.

If the damage was buffed by 300%, then you would be right.

Birdovic · June 2016

Just as others said, I think the Sorc is in need of some heavy Class Ability Updates, including more utility and also an option to NOT be bound to the Destro Staff.

Either that or let the sorcerer excell at using the Destro Staff with adding class bound passives for using Destro Staves or something like that. Maybe a 10% Damage Buff or 10% higher Chance for Elemental Effects when using Destro Staff Abilities? Possibilites are endless.