Coupling Species - Lore breaking?

Elebeth · June 2016

@Enodoc
I was under the impression that "biology" is being discussed here and biology says that Bretons were at some point even more than half/half.
I stated in few posts above that I don't question their placement in "Men category" in any aspect other than biology/genetics. I even put them in that category myself in response to @Hluill post.

Regarding "savants"; I have more than 5k hours in Morrowind and I've completely forgot about their existence... Guess I have to go and play it for another 5k hours now to alleviate my shame.

@WhiteCoatSyndrome
Nice find indeed but no need to be so smug, this is a collaborative discussion after all.

Also, as @Enodoc mentioned, this did happen in a Daedric realm, and not just any Daedric realm, but the one with cheese in it. And if there is a place to find improbable things...

On the other hand, I do agree with @Taisynn and the fact that Hist could alter an Argonian to be able to procreate with men/mer.

@RAGUNAnoOne
No one is arguing that, we all know that a hole is a hole...

Enodoc · June 2016

Elebeth wrote: »

I was under the impression that "biology" is being discussed here and biology says that Bretons were at some point even more than half/half.

Sure, that makes sense, as if it never went over half/half, they would probably still have been Nedes, and the Bretons would have never existed. Considering racial traits come from the mother, in the second generation there would need to have been a lot of half/half mothers and Ayleid fathers, which gives 1/4 man and 3/4 mer, and that would probably only just start to show Elven traits.

Regarding "savants"; I have more than 5k hours in Morrowind and I've completely forgot about their existence... Guess I have to go and play it for another 5k hours now to alleviate my shame.

There weren't actually that many of them; see http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Savant for a list.

Elebeth · June 2016

Enodoc wrote: »

Elebeth wrote: »

I was under the impression that "biology" is being discussed here and biology says that Bretons were at some point even more than half/half.

Sure, that makes sense, as if it never went over half/half, they would probably still have been Nedes, and the Bretons would have never existed. Considering racial traits come from the mother, in the second generation there would need to have been a lot of half/half mothers and Ayleid fathers, which gives 1/4 man and 3/4 mer, and that would probably only just start to show Elven traits.

Regarding "savants"; I have more than 5k hours in Morrowind and I've completely forgot about their existence... Guess I have to go and play it for another 5k hours now to alleviate my shame.

There weren't actually that many of them; see http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Savant for a list.

Ohhh, yeah that makes much more sense! I'm familiar with a lot of them but apparently forgot that they are named/classed "savants".
I was under the impression that there's 10-15 of them that talk exclusively about "procreation".
English is hard without coffee and lunch...

WhiteCoatSyndrome · June 2016

@Elebeth : Four pages Elebeth. Four pages!

(Also I was on my iPad, which makes quoting and linking frustrating. I was just going to make you lot follow the directions, but my nitpicking streak won out. :P)

Speaking of Racial Phylogeny, someone needs to have words with them. As of the 321st year of the 2nd Era there is a Prostitutes' Guild. So why didn't they go hire some ladies of ill repute to get knocked up FOR SCIENCE! ? Offer a reasonable wage for their time, free disease removal for the length of their employment and promise to take care of any unwanted children that result. And then you can have your scientific results with no moral issues.

Cazzy · June 2016

Who were the people in Ebonheart who had sons who were half Dark Elf and half Nord? They looked nothing like their mother. I am disappoint

ShedsHisTail · June 2016

Cazzy wrote: »

Who were the people in Ebonheart who had sons who were half Dark Elf and half Nord? They looked nothing like their mother. I am disappoint

There is a character from the King Edward series, Mith, who claims that his father was a Nord and his mother a Dark Elf. He also claims that in such cases, the progeny mostly take on the Dark Elven traits and appear to be Dunmer.

[Mith said], "My father, heh, he was always....well, he was a hard man to please. He was a Nord."

"Your father?" Edward stared at Mith, but Mith looked much like the other Dark Elves he'd seen. Not many. Dark elves didn't come to Daggerfall; Gerald had banned them. But he'd seen some on his rare trips to other courts. And there were some in Firsthold besides Moraelyn and Mith. "Did he have red hair?" Mith's hair was a dark red. Gerald had red hair. "He tended the stables for Moraelyn?" No wonder Mith looked like a stableboy. But Edward kept his tone polite. Mith had a sharp tongue....and Edward knew that neither of his parents would be sympathetic if he complained that Mith had been impertinent.

"He did have red hair. Maybe I got mine from him...but mostly mixed elf and human children come out dark elf.

Korah_Eaglecry · June 2016

RealLifeRedguard wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

In lore for TES the child takes the racial traits of the mother. So if a Bosmer and a Khajiit mate, the child will be what ever the mother is.

As for Argonians and x species. I don't think it's possible for them to have children since Argonians lay eggs.

So the child never gains mixed features of both parents? That's interesting ...

Nope, the exceptions to this rule is Bretons and Khajiit (that I know of). Bretons can either be human or have more elf like features. Like a more angular face or pointed ears (not as much as an actual elf but more than a human). This is caused by them having magical blood that is from Aldmer or Alyeids, I can't remember which but it's from elves that slept with Breton slaves iirc. But they are still not half-elves, they are Breton. A lot of people will try and put half-something is lore and they don't really exist.

The other exception to this rule is Khajiit. There are so many sub-species of the Khajiit I can't even remember them all, but they extend to looking more elf like to being a very large cat (think Senche here). What sub-species they are is dependent on what cycle of the moon they where born on and during what month... I think month not sure I'd have to go double check, but it is based on the cycle of the moon.

Exactly this.

We see examples of this in the games al the time. I remember in Oblivion meeting a redguard whose father was a breton. This means her mother is a redguard.

Bretons are a peculiar case. It's possible that so-called "half-breeds" like them formed because of multiple generations of cross-breeding with the Direnni High Elves creating a completely new race. It's believed that breton's magical aptitude comes from their elven heritage, so it seems that this theory holds a bit of
water.

Race is a weird thing in ES, especially when it comes to men and mer. Breton are still 100% men even though they have some mer ancestry. Redguards are men even though they come from a completely different place than the imperials and nords. It's more of a spiritual or metaphysical thing.

The Dirennei are considered to be the most powerful magicka wielding elves on Nirn.

FortheloveofKrist · June 2016

Xundiin wrote: »

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

So, i will not.
Please enlighten me as to how they are made, biologically.
Since, by all means, THAT is the whole of the game.

/facewall back at you.

again.... /facepalm

Lore buddy.... there is tons of it.... like literally tons.

@MasterSpatula. See above.

"literally tons."

ArchMikem · June 2016

Honestly the whole idea of Interspecies procreation is more bonkers than the Fantasy setting itself.

MasterSpatula · June 2016

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

So, i will not.
Please enlighten me as to how they are made, biologically.
Since, by all means, THAT is the whole of the game.

/facewall back at you.

again.... /facepalm

Lore buddy.... there is tons of it.... like literally tons.

@MasterSpatula. See above.

"literally tons."

@FortheloveofKrist, why did you mention me? I haven't posted in this thread at all.

I tried to figure out if it had something to do with any other lore discussions I might have had (like yesterday's conversation about playing as Falmer or Dwemer), but I got lost looking for any connection to anything I might have said.

Wrong name? Or do you, for some reason, want me in the conversation? Cause if you want me to read and think about the topic and form an opinion, I suppose I can.

I would do that for you.

FortheloveofKrist · June 2016

MasterSpatula wrote: »

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

So, i will not.
Please enlighten me as to how they are made, biologically.
Since, by all means, THAT is the whole of the game.

/facewall back at you.

again.... /facepalm

Lore buddy.... there is tons of it.... like literally tons.

@MasterSpatula. See above.

"literally tons."

@FortheloveofKrist, why did you mention me? I haven't posted in this thread at all.

I tried to figure out if it had something to do with any other lore discussions I might have had (like yesterday's conversation about playing as Falmer or Dwemer), but I got lost looking for any connection to anything I might have said.

Wrong name? Or do you, for some reason, want me in the conversation? Cause if you want me to read and think about the topic and form an opinion, I suppose I can.

I would do that for you.

@MasterSpatula ... Didn't we have a discussion recently about how the definition of literally now includes figuratively?

Wrong person maybe. Sorry, bud.

MasterSpatula · June 2016

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

So, i will not.
Please enlighten me as to how they are made, biologically.
Since, by all means, THAT is the whole of the game.

/facewall back at you.

again.... /facepalm

Lore buddy.... there is tons of it.... like literally tons.

@MasterSpatula. See above.

"literally tons."

@FortheloveofKrist, why did you mention me? I haven't posted in this thread at all.

I tried to figure out if it had something to do with any other lore discussions I might have had (like yesterday's conversation about playing as Falmer or Dwemer), but I got lost looking for any connection to anything I might have said.

Wrong name? Or do you, for some reason, want me in the conversation? Cause if you want me to read and think about the topic and form an opinion, I suppose I can.

I would do that for you.

@MasterSpatula ... Didn't we have a discussion recently about how the definition of literally now includes figuratively?

Wrong person maybe. Sorry, bud.

Oh, well, sure. I mean, I hadn't given that a thought in... how long ago was that? (I've been working 70ish hour weeks, which kind of plays with your sense of time.)