Why is it that NB is the only class with an infinite escape skill?

Avenias · May 2016

Why isnt there a penalty for repeat casts of invis? The bare minimum you can do is the increase the cost of casting invis and add a penalty for repeat casts, so NBs cant go around spamming that forever.

Septimus_Magna · May 2016

ZOS explained that is has a lot of counters so it doesnt need a penalty for casting it on top of that.

Dodge and Bolt Escape only have a few counters (ie aoe and gap closer) so there is a penalty for re-casting within 4 seconds.

lassitershawn · May 2016

It is extremely easy to counter cloak. I'm not a NB defending my cloak either, I just seriously think its a fair defense mechanic.

For people still having issues with it... comprehensive list of good class, weapon, and universal skills that can counter it:

Sorcerer:
Velocious Curse - Keep up constantly
Streak - Aim in the direction you think the NB will go
Boundless Storm - Hits nearby cloaked enemies, I don't like it much in PvP but it is good for taking people out of cloak

Dragonknight:
Burning Talons - Stay close and cast as soon as they cloak.
Fiery Breath (has stamina and magicka morph) - Cast after they cloak
Eruption - Aim where you think they will go

Nightblade:
Piercing Mark - If you can't figure out how this works... the door is that way --->

Templar:
Sweeps/Jabs - Keep up pressure on them, will immediately pull out of cloak
Blazing Spear - Same premise as Eruption

Alliance War:
Caltrops - Cast in the general direction of the NB and they will be brought out of cloak
Scorching Flare - Not worth a bar slot imo considering there are other anti-cloak skills that also perform functions other than bringing people out of cloak, but this is quite effective at punishing cloak users

Mage's Guild:
Magelight - EZ mode anti-cloak button and Fighter's Guild will have one as well soon enough

DW:
Steel Tornado - Spin2Win

Bow:
Bombard - Bombard2Win

Finally... the all mighty detect pot. Pop one and cloak is worthless for the duration. For extra OPness, you can combine with immovability to counter their fear as well. My favorite potion ingame is Magicka + Immo + Detect.

I'm sure I missed some other good counters but jesus this should be more than enough.

ZOS_DaryaK · May 2016

We've removed the non-constructive posts from this thread.

Lokey0024 · May 2016

Think bolt escape is more of an infinite escape. If you cant get away while on a mag sorc it's basically your fault for not knowing when to bail.

Derra · May 2016

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Think bolt escape is more of an infinite escape. If you cant get away while on a mag sorc it's basically your fault for not knowing when to bail.

Depends. Any stam player should be able to catch a magsorc. The only specs where it´s near impossible is mag templar and mag DK.

lassitershawn · May 2016

Derra wrote: »

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Think bolt escape is more of an infinite escape. If you cant get away while on a mag sorc it's basically your fault for not knowing when to bail.

Depends. Any stam player should be able to catch a magsorc. The only specs where it´s near impossible is mag templar and mag DK.

If they ever fix the mag templar gap closer it shouldn't be an issue for them either, and mag DKs have a gap closer version of chains that I've seen some good mag DKs using.

leepalmer95 · May 2016

lassitershawn wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Think bolt escape is more of an infinite escape. If you cant get away while on a mag sorc it's basically your fault for not knowing when to bail.

Depends. Any stam player should be able to catch a magsorc. The only specs where it´s near impossible is mag templar and mag DK.

If they ever fix the mag templar gap closer it shouldn't be an issue for them either, and mag DKs have a gap closer version of chains that I've seen some good mag DKs using.

Chains is very dodgy and near useless half the time.

rfennell_ESO · May 2016

Only magicka nightblades and sorcerers have infinite escape.

leepalmer95 · May 2016

Nb are the only class were other easy to get and use skills directly block out their class defence skill.

Nb's are fine where they are at the moment. Detect pots/ Any aoe/ Magelight/ Evil hunter.

Image the salt from sorc if a skill said 'stops sorc streaking for 3s'

Prabooo · May 2016

because they have no shields/heals like other classes do

Omgwtfbbq321 · May 2016

Yeah I think Nightblades are fine how they are, however, Magicka Nightblades with Dampen Magicka will be an interesting mix in the new update). As it currently is, this skill doesn't even take you out of stealth and will cover all forms of damage.

Cloak> Dampen Magcika > attack > cloak > recast shield > repeat.

xXNesTXx · May 2016

Because two seconds of invisibility is not too much useful....

Believe me, spam invisibility each two seconds while you are jumping between rocks or dodging AoE skills isn't easy.....

And what about of the ton of skills to counter cloak?You know how many times I got screwed to cause of caltrops?

Bolt Scape needs that magicka penalty because only another sorc with Bolt Scape can follow him or someone who is in mounted when a sorc decides flee

And this, talking about of Magicka Nightblades, but what happens with Stamina Nightblades?

StamBlades only have a 3-4 chances to use cloak (if magicka bar are full, and rare times is full when you decides flee) and thats means 8-10 seconds of invisibility.....

Yes, you can escape with that....but is not a infinite escape...trust me....

In resume buddy, I have three NB (2 stam 1 Mag) and the only infinite of they, is the number of times of you can be screwed if your enemies are better (or more) than you......

RabNebula · May 2016

Derra wrote: »

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Think bolt escape is more of an infinite escape. If you cant get away while on a mag sorc it's basically your fault for not knowing when to bail.

Depends. Any stam player should be able to catch a magsorc. The only specs where it´s near impossible is mag templar and mag DK.

Its not near impossible at all. If you're an mdk and you cant catch a sorc then you need to turn off your xbox.

Use empowering chains everytime they bolt, fossilize, whip, chain, talons, whip, chain, fossilize, meteor, whip. Most sorcs will die. If theyre bolt escaping that much then they wont be having a chance to get their shields stacked so you just keep them going on the back foot. MDks are the weakest hitting class by a long long way but if youre determined enough you'll get your kills through just sheer relentless pressure. You will especially get them against bolt escaping sorcs as mdks can be a real nightmare for them because they will not be able to get away from an mdk at all.

Cathexis · May 2016

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

ZOS explained that is has a lot of counters so it doesnt need a penalty for casting it on top of that.

Dodge and Bolt Escape only have a few counters (ie aoe and gap closer) so there is a penalty for re-casting within 4 seconds.

Dodge and Bolt escape have lots of counters too - not just aoe and gap closers, and the effectiveness of cloak counters is greatly exaggerated. Although, magelight is significantly better now and actually worth using .. I am less outraged about cloak than I used to be now that I don't HAVE to use potions or just accept that nightblades get infinite mulligans.

Still - no other class has a skill that allows them to escape 80-90% of the time, or even 40-50% of the time.

Van_0S · May 2016

OP, play as a NB then you will know cloak is not OP.

1) Its costly
2) Your build is based on it
3) Always have to be alert especially your surrounding for a kill or run situation.
4) Its difficult to master!!

Note: Spammable cloak is only avalible for MagNB and heavily depended on it ( once the caster is caught out of stealth then its a world of pain for that caster)

byrom101b16_ESO · May 2016

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Only magicka nightblades and sorcerers have infinite escape.

Your delivery of this joke was a little dry - it almost sounded like you thought Sorcs. have an infinite escape skill?

You may want to make your sarcasm a little more obvious in future posts...

Cathexis · May 2016

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Only magicka nightblades and sorcerers have infinite escape.

Your delivery of this joke was a little dry - it almost sounded like you thought Sorcs. have an infinite escape skill?

You may want to make your sarcasm a little more obvious in future posts...

I suggest something like.. "haha! Just kidding, sorc escape skills...I'm hilarious"

ColoursYouHave · May 2016

Detect pots. I know people will read over this and won't actually try it, because I read over it and never actually tried it for months when I was struggling to deal with cloaking NBs. Then I actually tried detect pots and realized how easy it is to deal with cloak. I'm really shocked that more people don't use these.

Bulljoker · May 2016

get a detection potions,enough said

Drungly · May 2016

There's another huge counter for streak; lag. The skill does not work properly when the ping is above 500.

leepalmer95 · May 2016

Drungly wrote: »

There's another huge counter for streak; lag. The skill does not work properly when the ping is above 500.

Lag counters everything.

Lag even counters lag.

Ender1310 · May 2016

No counter to immovable potting sorcs. If they are built for it. No counter. Period.

leepalmer95 · May 2016

Ender1310 wrote: »

No counter to immovable potting sorcs. If they are built for it. No counter. Period.

Apart from shield breaker

AllPlayAndNoWork · May 2016

Shattering blows helps a lot.

rfennell_ESO · May 2016

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Only magicka nightblades and sorcerers have infinite escape.

Your delivery of this joke was a little dry - it almost sounded like you thought Sorcs. have an infinite escape skill?

You may want to make your sarcasm a little more obvious in future posts...

I should have said "smart" sorcs.

But I didn't want to be insulting to people posting in the thread.

Kwivur · May 2016

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Only magicka nightblades and sorcerers have infinite escape.

Your delivery of this joke was a little dry - it almost sounded like you thought Sorcs. have an infinite escape skill?

You may want to make your sarcasm a little more obvious in future posts...

I should have said "smart" sorcs.

But I didn't want to be insulting to people posting in the thread.

All classes have an infinite escape skill.. It's called invisibility pots.