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Tomorrows ESO Live, what do you wanna see/hear? Won a poster on ESO Live :)
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Grao✭✭✭✭✭
✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes - there's just too many to go through in this show without it turning into an all-nighter, and the team is still actively making changes.
You guys should just give Wrobel his own show every PTS cycle, The Wrobel special or something.
So we can all watch him dodge questions everytime? XD
It is an interesting idea, he might need body armor for it though.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes
That must be a joke!
Nobody wants to hear stuff we already know. We want Feedback to our Feedback to Skillchanges etc.
Until those changes are finalized what can he say about it? They are still gathering data.
You must be new to the game. It is like this every large patch with ZoS promising they will eventually address our concerns, that they are listening and watching the forums and yet, guess how many times our concerns are really addressed?
I remember a year back @Wrobel promised to come to the show and discuss the issues with sorcerers, he also promised to discuss with players here in the forum... It never really happened and it never will. ESO Live consists of them going over topics everyone has heard about at least 3 times before, explaining some changes that anyone capable of reading should be able to understand from the patch notes and more importantly, it consists of the team ignoring every hard question asked in the chat or here in the forum.
Im not new Ive been here since the first day. Heck before the first day I was in one of the last betas too. I still think the best avenue for feedback is via the official feedback threads and not a live Q&A where they cant reserach the answers to the questions. Or are not allowed to talk about them just yet.
Heh, they never answer to their feedback pages either. Sorcerer's official feedback already has over 20 pages of comments and yet @Wrobel went and made a post in an unofficial post. That is how much they pay attention to their own feedback section.
The feedback threads are not a back and forth. You leave feedback and they review it.
Precisely why we would want them to address those concerns in ESO Live. Because they never ever address concerns in the forum. Not really.
ESO live is not a forum for that either. They take your feedback. Make changes based on it. put out the PTS patch notes. Take more feedback. Issue another patch. Until it goes live. ESO live is and always has been kind of an advertising thing to sell the latest update or DLC etc. Its simply not long enough to deal with this kind of thing.
Ah, I see... So there is no forum for players to ask questions and actually get answers? Great...
We are supposed to talk at the Devs here and hope they are actually listening, well, hope is running thin pal. From broken promises, the nerfs to classes without a shred of compensation for the classes losses...
Specific questions about skills which are not finalized and still in beta no they probably wont go back and forth. He is answering our questions just not on stuff still being tested.
Come on man, ever since beta they never really answer community concerns about skills and balance unless bugs are involved. There is a no number of threads and posts stating Dark Exchange being a useless skill since the game was released and yet they keep ignoring the damn thing. Worse, they made that useless skill into one of the stamina morphs on the sorcerer tree...
Once I asked about Dark Exchange in voice to them.. I think it was with Jessica not Gina that time. Her answer was a giggle... A giggle.Edited by Grao on 6 May 2016 15:170 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes - there's just too many to go through in this show without it turning into an all-nighter, and the team is still actively making changes.
You guys should just give Wrobel his own show every PTS cycle, The Wrobel special or something.
So we can all watch him dodge questions everytime? XD
It is an interesting idea, he might need body armor for it though.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes
That must be a joke!
Nobody wants to hear stuff we already know. We want Feedback to our Feedback to Skillchanges etc.
Until those changes are finalized what can he say about it? They are still gathering data.
You must be new to the game. It is like this every large patch with ZoS promising they will eventually address our concerns, that they are listening and watching the forums and yet, guess how many times our concerns are really addressed?
I remember a year back @Wrobel promised to come to the show and discuss the issues with sorcerers, he also promised to discuss with players here in the forum... It never really happened and it never will. ESO Live consists of them going over topics everyone has heard about at least 3 times before, explaining some changes that anyone capable of reading should be able to understand from the patch notes and more importantly, it consists of the team ignoring every hard question asked in the chat or here in the forum.
Im not new Ive been here since the first day. Heck before the first day I was in one of the last betas too. I still think the best avenue for feedback is via the official feedback threads and not a live Q&A where they cant reserach the answers to the questions. Or are not allowed to talk about them just yet.
Heh, they never answer to their feedback pages either. Sorcerer's official feedback already has over 20 pages of comments and yet @Wrobel went and made a post in an unofficial post. That is how much they pay attention to their own feedback section.
The feedback threads are not a back and forth. You leave feedback and they review it.
Precisely why we would want them to address those concerns in ESO Live. Because they never ever address concerns in the forum. Not really.
ESO live is not a forum for that either. They take your feedback. Make changes based on it. put out the PTS patch notes. Take more feedback. Issue another patch. Until it goes live. ESO live is and always has been kind of an advertising thing to sell the latest update or DLC etc. Its simply not long enough to deal with this kind of thing.
Ah, I see... So there is no forum for players to ask questions and actually get answers? Great...
We are supposed to talk at the Devs here and hope they are actually listening, well, hope is running thin pal. From broken promises, the nerfs to classes without a shred of compensation for the classes losses...
Specific questions about skills which are not finalized and still in beta no they probably wont go back and forth. He is answering our questions just not on stuff still being tested.
Come on man, ever since beta they never really answer community concerns about skills and balance unless bugs are involved. There is a no number of threads and posts stating Dark Exchange being a useless skill since the game was released and yet they keep ignoring the damn thing. Worse, they made that useless skill into one of the stamina morphs on the sorcer tree...
Once I asked about Dark Exchange in voice to them.. I think it was with Jessica not Gina that time. Her answer was a giggle... A giggle.
How did you get on voice with them? I thought they only did twitch chat. This is the first Ive ever heard about dark exchange being "useless". I dont know I guess they just dont have time to address every little thing. Especially on a live show.1 -
Grao✭✭✭✭✭
✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »What they should say about lag is that there are no magical cures. Its never going to be 100% fixed. They can continually improve it but its never going to be fixed completely.
Yup, with this I actually agree. Better telling the truth than always answer with "We are looking into it"0 -
Rescorla_ESO✭✭✭✭My question for the devs: Will the targets for the DB assassination quests be boss-like mobs with some kind of AI script that presents some form of challenge to defeat or will they be like delve bosses that you just spam DPS skills and kill them in a couple of seconds?0
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✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes - there's just too many to go through in this show without it turning into an all-nighter, and the team is still actively making changes.
You guys should just give Wrobel his own show every PTS cycle, The Wrobel special or something.
So we can all watch him dodge questions everytime? XD
It is an interesting idea, he might need body armor for it though.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes
That must be a joke!
Nobody wants to hear stuff we already know. We want Feedback to our Feedback to Skillchanges etc.
Until those changes are finalized what can he say about it? They are still gathering data.
You must be new to the game. It is like this every large patch with ZoS promising they will eventually address our concerns, that they are listening and watching the forums and yet, guess how many times our concerns are really addressed?
I remember a year back @Wrobel promised to come to the show and discuss the issues with sorcerers, he also promised to discuss with players here in the forum... It never really happened and it never will. ESO Live consists of them going over topics everyone has heard about at least 3 times before, explaining some changes that anyone capable of reading should be able to understand from the patch notes and more importantly, it consists of the team ignoring every hard question asked in the chat or here in the forum.
Im not new Ive been here since the first day. Heck before the first day I was in one of the last betas too. I still think the best avenue for feedback is via the official feedback threads and not a live Q&A where they cant reserach the answers to the questions. Or are not allowed to talk about them just yet.
Heh, they never answer to their feedback pages either. Sorcerer's official feedback already has over 20 pages of comments and yet @Wrobel went and made a post in an unofficial post. That is how much they pay attention to their own feedback section.
The feedback threads are not a back and forth. You leave feedback and they review it.
Precisely why we would want them to address those concerns in ESO Live. Because they never ever address concerns in the forum. Not really.
ESO live is not a forum for that either. They take your feedback. Make changes based on it. put out the PTS patch notes. Take more feedback. Issue another patch. Until it goes live. ESO live is and always has been kind of an advertising thing to sell the latest update or DLC etc. Its simply not long enough to deal with this kind of thing.
Ah, I see... So there is no forum for players to ask questions and actually get answers? Great...
We are supposed to talk at the Devs here and hope they are actually listening, well, hope is running thin pal. From broken promises, the nerfs to classes without a shred of compensation for the classes losses...
Specific questions about skills which are not finalized and still in beta no they probably wont go back and forth. He is answering our questions just not on stuff still being tested.
Come on man, ever since beta they never really answer community concerns about skills and balance unless bugs are involved. There is a no number of threads and posts stating Dark Exchange being a useless skill since the game was released and yet they keep ignoring the damn thing. Worse, they made that useless skill into one of the stamina morphs on the sorcer tree...
Once I asked about Dark Exchange in voice to them.. I think it was with Jessica not Gina that time. Her answer was a giggle... A giggle.
How did you get on voice with them? I thought they only did twitch chat. This is the first Ive ever heard about dark exchange being "useless". I dont know I guess they just dont have time to address every little thing. Especially on a live show.
Ok, a skill that is and has been useless since the release of the game is not a little thing. I am sorry.
Also, they do meet with guilds in Team Speak specially when large updates hit the Test Server.0 -
Ajax_22✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes - there's just too many to go through in this show without it turning into an all-nighter, and the team is still actively making changes.
You guys should just give Wrobel his own show every PTS cycle, The Wrobel special or something.
So we can all watch him dodge questions everytime? XD
It is an interesting idea, he might need body armor for it though.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes
That must be a joke!
Nobody wants to hear stuff we already know. We want Feedback to our Feedback to Skillchanges etc.
Until those changes are finalized what can he say about it? They are still gathering data.
You must be new to the game. It is like this every large patch with ZoS promising they will eventually address our concerns, that they are listening and watching the forums and yet, guess how many times our concerns are really addressed?
I remember a year back @Wrobel promised to come to the show and discuss the issues with sorcerers, he also promised to discuss with players here in the forum... It never really happened and it never will. ESO Live consists of them going over topics everyone has heard about at least 3 times before, explaining some changes that anyone capable of reading should be able to understand from the patch notes and more importantly, it consists of the team ignoring every hard question asked in the chat or here in the forum.
Im not new Ive been here since the first day. Heck before the first day I was in one of the last betas too. I still think the best avenue for feedback is via the official feedback threads and not a live Q&A where they cant reserach the answers to the questions. Or are not allowed to talk about them just yet.
Heh, they never answer to their feedback pages either. Sorcerer's official feedback already has over 20 pages of comments and yet @Wrobel went and made a post in an unofficial post. That is how much they pay attention to their own feedback section.
The feedback threads are not a back and forth. You leave feedback and they review it.
Precisely why we would want them to address those concerns in ESO Live. Because they never ever address concerns in the forum. Not really.
ESO live is not a forum for that either. They take your feedback. Make changes based on it. put out the PTS patch notes. Take more feedback. Issue another patch. Until it goes live. ESO live is and always has been kind of an advertising thing to sell the latest update or DLC etc. Its simply not long enough to deal with this kind of thing.
ZOS does not make changes based on our feedback. They announce a change, and sometimes put up a feedback thread about it. They make one post in said thread thanking us for our feedback. Then completely ignoring player feedback they implement whatever they want, however they want.1 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes - there's just too many to go through in this show without it turning into an all-nighter, and the team is still actively making changes.
You guys should just give Wrobel his own show every PTS cycle, The Wrobel special or something.
So we can all watch him dodge questions everytime? XD
It is an interesting idea, he might need body armor for it though.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes
That must be a joke!
Nobody wants to hear stuff we already know. We want Feedback to our Feedback to Skillchanges etc.
Until those changes are finalized what can he say about it? They are still gathering data.
You must be new to the game. It is like this every large patch with ZoS promising they will eventually address our concerns, that they are listening and watching the forums and yet, guess how many times our concerns are really addressed?
I remember a year back @Wrobel promised to come to the show and discuss the issues with sorcerers, he also promised to discuss with players here in the forum... It never really happened and it never will. ESO Live consists of them going over topics everyone has heard about at least 3 times before, explaining some changes that anyone capable of reading should be able to understand from the patch notes and more importantly, it consists of the team ignoring every hard question asked in the chat or here in the forum.
Im not new Ive been here since the first day. Heck before the first day I was in one of the last betas too. I still think the best avenue for feedback is via the official feedback threads and not a live Q&A where they cant reserach the answers to the questions. Or are not allowed to talk about them just yet.
Heh, they never answer to their feedback pages either. Sorcerer's official feedback already has over 20 pages of comments and yet @Wrobel went and made a post in an unofficial post. That is how much they pay attention to their own feedback section.
The feedback threads are not a back and forth. You leave feedback and they review it.
Precisely why we would want them to address those concerns in ESO Live. Because they never ever address concerns in the forum. Not really.
ESO live is not a forum for that either. They take your feedback. Make changes based on it. put out the PTS patch notes. Take more feedback. Issue another patch. Until it goes live. ESO live is and always has been kind of an advertising thing to sell the latest update or DLC etc. Its simply not long enough to deal with this kind of thing.
ZOS does not make changes based on our feedback. They announce a change, and sometimes put up a feedback thread about it. They make one post in said thread thanking us for our feedback. Then completely ignoring player feedback they implement whatever they want, however they want.
Then why did they create those feedback threads? I think they do listen to a lot of feedback. Some things tho the players want is not healthy for the game over all. Poll your kids and ask them if they want to eat vegetables or cookies. I bet most will pick the cookies. Then you serve veggies to them and they claim you ignored their feedback on dinner.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes - there's just too many to go through in this show without it turning into an all-nighter, and the team is still actively making changes.
You guys should just give Wrobel his own show every PTS cycle, The Wrobel special or something.
So we can all watch him dodge questions everytime? XD
It is an interesting idea, he might need body armor for it though.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes
That must be a joke!
Nobody wants to hear stuff we already know. We want Feedback to our Feedback to Skillchanges etc.
Until those changes are finalized what can he say about it? They are still gathering data.
You must be new to the game. It is like this every large patch with ZoS promising they will eventually address our concerns, that they are listening and watching the forums and yet, guess how many times our concerns are really addressed?
I remember a year back @Wrobel promised to come to the show and discuss the issues with sorcerers, he also promised to discuss with players here in the forum... It never really happened and it never will. ESO Live consists of them going over topics everyone has heard about at least 3 times before, explaining some changes that anyone capable of reading should be able to understand from the patch notes and more importantly, it consists of the team ignoring every hard question asked in the chat or here in the forum.
Im not new Ive been here since the first day. Heck before the first day I was in one of the last betas too. I still think the best avenue for feedback is via the official feedback threads and not a live Q&A where they cant reserach the answers to the questions. Or are not allowed to talk about them just yet.
Heh, they never answer to their feedback pages either. Sorcerer's official feedback already has over 20 pages of comments and yet @Wrobel went and made a post in an unofficial post. That is how much they pay attention to their own feedback section.
The feedback threads are not a back and forth. You leave feedback and they review it.
Precisely why we would want them to address those concerns in ESO Live. Because they never ever address concerns in the forum. Not really.
ESO live is not a forum for that either. They take your feedback. Make changes based on it. put out the PTS patch notes. Take more feedback. Issue another patch. Until it goes live. ESO live is and always has been kind of an advertising thing to sell the latest update or DLC etc. Its simply not long enough to deal with this kind of thing.
ZOS does not make changes based on our feedback. They announce a change, and sometimes put up a feedback thread about it. They make one post in said thread thanking us for our feedback. Then completely ignoring player feedback they implement whatever they want, however they want.
Then why did they create those feedback threads? I think they do listen to a lot of feedback. Some things tho the players want is not healthy for the game over all. Poll your kids and ask them if they want to eat vegetables or cookies. I bet most will pick the cookies. Then you serve veggies to them and they claim you ignored their feedback on dinner.
They should give us cookies made out of vegetables!"Get off my lawn!"0 -
Grao✭✭✭✭✭
✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes - there's just too many to go through in this show without it turning into an all-nighter, and the team is still actively making changes.
You guys should just give Wrobel his own show every PTS cycle, The Wrobel special or something.
So we can all watch him dodge questions everytime? XD
It is an interesting idea, he might need body armor for it though.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes
That must be a joke!
Nobody wants to hear stuff we already know. We want Feedback to our Feedback to Skillchanges etc.
Until those changes are finalized what can he say about it? They are still gathering data.
You must be new to the game. It is like this every large patch with ZoS promising they will eventually address our concerns, that they are listening and watching the forums and yet, guess how many times our concerns are really addressed?
I remember a year back @Wrobel promised to come to the show and discuss the issues with sorcerers, he also promised to discuss with players here in the forum... It never really happened and it never will. ESO Live consists of them going over topics everyone has heard about at least 3 times before, explaining some changes that anyone capable of reading should be able to understand from the patch notes and more importantly, it consists of the team ignoring every hard question asked in the chat or here in the forum.
Im not new Ive been here since the first day. Heck before the first day I was in one of the last betas too. I still think the best avenue for feedback is via the official feedback threads and not a live Q&A where they cant reserach the answers to the questions. Or are not allowed to talk about them just yet.
Heh, they never answer to their feedback pages either. Sorcerer's official feedback already has over 20 pages of comments and yet @Wrobel went and made a post in an unofficial post. That is how much they pay attention to their own feedback section.
The feedback threads are not a back and forth. You leave feedback and they review it.
Precisely why we would want them to address those concerns in ESO Live. Because they never ever address concerns in the forum. Not really.
ESO live is not a forum for that either. They take your feedback. Make changes based on it. put out the PTS patch notes. Take more feedback. Issue another patch. Until it goes live. ESO live is and always has been kind of an advertising thing to sell the latest update or DLC etc. Its simply not long enough to deal with this kind of thing.
ZOS does not make changes based on our feedback. They announce a change, and sometimes put up a feedback thread about it. They make one post in said thread thanking us for our feedback. Then completely ignoring player feedback they implement whatever they want, however they want.
Then why did they create those feedback threads? I think they do listen to a lot of feedback. Some things tho the players want is not healthy for the game over all. Poll your kids and ask them if they want to eat vegetables or cookies. I bet most will pick the cookies. Then you serve veggies to them and they claim you ignored their feedback on dinner.
They create the feedback threads because if they didn't the Forums would be consumed by 10k different threads about complains. It is easier to ignore a single thread and it makes it easier on the moderators too.Edited by Grao on 6 May 2016 15:311 -
Ajax_22✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes - there's just too many to go through in this show without it turning into an all-nighter, and the team is still actively making changes.
You guys should just give Wrobel his own show every PTS cycle, The Wrobel special or something.
So we can all watch him dodge questions everytime? XD
It is an interesting idea, he might need body armor for it though.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes
That must be a joke!
Nobody wants to hear stuff we already know. We want Feedback to our Feedback to Skillchanges etc.
Until those changes are finalized what can he say about it? They are still gathering data.
You must be new to the game. It is like this every large patch with ZoS promising they will eventually address our concerns, that they are listening and watching the forums and yet, guess how many times our concerns are really addressed?
I remember a year back @Wrobel promised to come to the show and discuss the issues with sorcerers, he also promised to discuss with players here in the forum... It never really happened and it never will. ESO Live consists of them going over topics everyone has heard about at least 3 times before, explaining some changes that anyone capable of reading should be able to understand from the patch notes and more importantly, it consists of the team ignoring every hard question asked in the chat or here in the forum.
Im not new Ive been here since the first day. Heck before the first day I was in one of the last betas too. I still think the best avenue for feedback is via the official feedback threads and not a live Q&A where they cant reserach the answers to the questions. Or are not allowed to talk about them just yet.
Heh, they never answer to their feedback pages either. Sorcerer's official feedback already has over 20 pages of comments and yet @Wrobel went and made a post in an unofficial post. That is how much they pay attention to their own feedback section.
The feedback threads are not a back and forth. You leave feedback and they review it.
Precisely why we would want them to address those concerns in ESO Live. Because they never ever address concerns in the forum. Not really.
ESO live is not a forum for that either. They take your feedback. Make changes based on it. put out the PTS patch notes. Take more feedback. Issue another patch. Until it goes live. ESO live is and always has been kind of an advertising thing to sell the latest update or DLC etc. Its simply not long enough to deal with this kind of thing.
ZOS does not make changes based on our feedback. They announce a change, and sometimes put up a feedback thread about it. They make one post in said thread thanking us for our feedback. Then completely ignoring player feedback they implement whatever they want, however they want.
Then why did they create those feedback threads? I think they do listen to a lot of feedback. Some things tho the players want is not healthy for the game over all. Poll your kids and ask them if they want to eat vegetables or cookies. I bet most will pick the cookies. Then you serve veggies to them and they claim you ignored their feedback on dinner.
Here is some indisputable proof that ZOS completely ignores feedback, and implements whatever they hell they want.
Exhibit A
Exhibit B
That anology is plain insulting. We are not children, and a good number of us have been playing MMOs longer than ZOS has been a company. When 87% of over 4,000 people tell you not to do something, and you do it anyway, you don't listen to feedback. We speak from experience, because we have seen other companies implement some of the same things that completely destroyed their game.Edited by Ajax_22 on 6 May 2016 15:582 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes - there's just too many to go through in this show without it turning into an all-nighter, and the team is still actively making changes.
You guys should just give Wrobel his own show every PTS cycle, The Wrobel special or something.
So we can all watch him dodge questions everytime? XD
It is an interesting idea, he might need body armor for it though.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes
That must be a joke!
Nobody wants to hear stuff we already know. We want Feedback to our Feedback to Skillchanges etc.
Until those changes are finalized what can he say about it? They are still gathering data.
You must be new to the game. It is like this every large patch with ZoS promising they will eventually address our concerns, that they are listening and watching the forums and yet, guess how many times our concerns are really addressed?
I remember a year back @Wrobel promised to come to the show and discuss the issues with sorcerers, he also promised to discuss with players here in the forum... It never really happened and it never will. ESO Live consists of them going over topics everyone has heard about at least 3 times before, explaining some changes that anyone capable of reading should be able to understand from the patch notes and more importantly, it consists of the team ignoring every hard question asked in the chat or here in the forum.
Im not new Ive been here since the first day. Heck before the first day I was in one of the last betas too. I still think the best avenue for feedback is via the official feedback threads and not a live Q&A where they cant reserach the answers to the questions. Or are not allowed to talk about them just yet.
Heh, they never answer to their feedback pages either. Sorcerer's official feedback already has over 20 pages of comments and yet @Wrobel went and made a post in an unofficial post. That is how much they pay attention to their own feedback section.
The feedback threads are not a back and forth. You leave feedback and they review it.
Precisely why we would want them to address those concerns in ESO Live. Because they never ever address concerns in the forum. Not really.
ESO live is not a forum for that either. They take your feedback. Make changes based on it. put out the PTS patch notes. Take more feedback. Issue another patch. Until it goes live. ESO live is and always has been kind of an advertising thing to sell the latest update or DLC etc. Its simply not long enough to deal with this kind of thing.
ZOS does not make changes based on our feedback. They announce a change, and sometimes put up a feedback thread about it. They make one post in said thread thanking us for our feedback. Then completely ignoring player feedback they implement whatever they want, however they want.
Then why did they create those feedback threads? I think they do listen to a lot of feedback. Some things tho the players want is not healthy for the game over all. Poll your kids and ask them if they want to eat vegetables or cookies. I bet most will pick the cookies. Then you serve veggies to them and they claim you ignored their feedback on dinner.
Here is some indisputable proof that ZOS completely ignores feedback, and implements whatever they hell they want.
Exhibit A
Exhibit B
That anology is plain insulting. We are not children, and a good number of us have been playing MMOs longer than ZOS has been a company. When 87% of over 4,000 people tell you not to do something, and you do it anyway, you don't listen to feedback. We speak from experience, because we have seen other companies implement some of the same things that completely their game.
They already explained why they cannot remove AOE caps. He talked about it on the forums and on ESO live. They heard your feedback you just didnt like the answer they gave. Same as the kid who doesnt understand why you cant eat cookies for dinner.1 -
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✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes - there's just too many to go through in this show without it turning into an all-nighter, and the team is still actively making changes.
You guys should just give Wrobel his own show every PTS cycle, The Wrobel special or something.
So we can all watch him dodge questions everytime? XD
It is an interesting idea, he might need body armor for it though.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes
That must be a joke!
Nobody wants to hear stuff we already know. We want Feedback to our Feedback to Skillchanges etc.
Until those changes are finalized what can he say about it? They are still gathering data.
You must be new to the game. It is like this every large patch with ZoS promising they will eventually address our concerns, that they are listening and watching the forums and yet, guess how many times our concerns are really addressed?
I remember a year back @Wrobel promised to come to the show and discuss the issues with sorcerers, he also promised to discuss with players here in the forum... It never really happened and it never will. ESO Live consists of them going over topics everyone has heard about at least 3 times before, explaining some changes that anyone capable of reading should be able to understand from the patch notes and more importantly, it consists of the team ignoring every hard question asked in the chat or here in the forum.
Im not new Ive been here since the first day. Heck before the first day I was in one of the last betas too. I still think the best avenue for feedback is via the official feedback threads and not a live Q&A where they cant reserach the answers to the questions. Or are not allowed to talk about them just yet.
Heh, they never answer to their feedback pages either. Sorcerer's official feedback already has over 20 pages of comments and yet @Wrobel went and made a post in an unofficial post. That is how much they pay attention to their own feedback section.
The feedback threads are not a back and forth. You leave feedback and they review it.
Precisely why we would want them to address those concerns in ESO Live. Because they never ever address concerns in the forum. Not really.
ESO live is not a forum for that either. They take your feedback. Make changes based on it. put out the PTS patch notes. Take more feedback. Issue another patch. Until it goes live. ESO live is and always has been kind of an advertising thing to sell the latest update or DLC etc. Its simply not long enough to deal with this kind of thing.
ZOS does not make changes based on our feedback. They announce a change, and sometimes put up a feedback thread about it. They make one post in said thread thanking us for our feedback. Then completely ignoring player feedback they implement whatever they want, however they want.
Then why did they create those feedback threads? I think they do listen to a lot of feedback. Some things tho the players want is not healthy for the game over all. Poll your kids and ask them if they want to eat vegetables or cookies. I bet most will pick the cookies. Then you serve veggies to them and they claim you ignored their feedback on dinner.
They create the feedback threads because if they didn't the Forums would be consumed by 10k different threads about complains. It is easier to ignore a single thread and it makes it easier on the moderators too.
Well I mean if thats your attitude I dont see any point in discussion with you to be frank.2 -
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It is a little of both, actually. They do listen to feedback, and they do make changes based on feedback. However, they also have a plan in mind and they are interested in feedback that is an improvement on the plan, not a change in direction.
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Ajax_22✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes - there's just too many to go through in this show without it turning into an all-nighter, and the team is still actively making changes.
You guys should just give Wrobel his own show every PTS cycle, The Wrobel special or something.
So we can all watch him dodge questions everytime? XD
It is an interesting idea, he might need body armor for it though.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes
That must be a joke!
Nobody wants to hear stuff we already know. We want Feedback to our Feedback to Skillchanges etc.
Until those changes are finalized what can he say about it? They are still gathering data.
You must be new to the game. It is like this every large patch with ZoS promising they will eventually address our concerns, that they are listening and watching the forums and yet, guess how many times our concerns are really addressed?
I remember a year back @Wrobel promised to come to the show and discuss the issues with sorcerers, he also promised to discuss with players here in the forum... It never really happened and it never will. ESO Live consists of them going over topics everyone has heard about at least 3 times before, explaining some changes that anyone capable of reading should be able to understand from the patch notes and more importantly, it consists of the team ignoring every hard question asked in the chat or here in the forum.
Im not new Ive been here since the first day. Heck before the first day I was in one of the last betas too. I still think the best avenue for feedback is via the official feedback threads and not a live Q&A where they cant reserach the answers to the questions. Or are not allowed to talk about them just yet.
Heh, they never answer to their feedback pages either. Sorcerer's official feedback already has over 20 pages of comments and yet @Wrobel went and made a post in an unofficial post. That is how much they pay attention to their own feedback section.
The feedback threads are not a back and forth. You leave feedback and they review it.
Precisely why we would want them to address those concerns in ESO Live. Because they never ever address concerns in the forum. Not really.
ESO live is not a forum for that either. They take your feedback. Make changes based on it. put out the PTS patch notes. Take more feedback. Issue another patch. Until it goes live. ESO live is and always has been kind of an advertising thing to sell the latest update or DLC etc. Its simply not long enough to deal with this kind of thing.
ZOS does not make changes based on our feedback. They announce a change, and sometimes put up a feedback thread about it. They make one post in said thread thanking us for our feedback. Then completely ignoring player feedback they implement whatever they want, however they want.
Then why did they create those feedback threads? I think they do listen to a lot of feedback. Some things tho the players want is not healthy for the game over all. Poll your kids and ask them if they want to eat vegetables or cookies. I bet most will pick the cookies. Then you serve veggies to them and they claim you ignored their feedback on dinner.
Here is some indisputable proof that ZOS completely ignores feedback, and implements whatever they hell they want.
Exhibit A
Exhibit B
That anology is plain insulting. We are not children, and a good number of us have been playing MMOs longer than ZOS has been a company. When 87% of over 4,000 people tell you not to do something, and you do it anyway, you don't listen to feedback. We speak from experience, because we have seen other companies implement some of the same things that completely their game.
They already explained why they cannot remove AOE caps. He talked about it on the forums and on ESO live. They heard your feedback you just didnt like the answer they gave. Same as the kid who doesnt understand why you cant eat cookies for dinner.
Wrobel has not once said why AOE caps were put in the game, (that poll was from before they were implemented) or why they won't remove them. The only thing ZOS will say on the issue is "there are no plans to remove them", and "we added this new ability or item set that should break up those ball groups".1 -
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✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes - there's just too many to go through in this show without it turning into an all-nighter, and the team is still actively making changes.
You guys should just give Wrobel his own show every PTS cycle, The Wrobel special or something.
So we can all watch him dodge questions everytime? XD
It is an interesting idea, he might need body armor for it though.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes
That must be a joke!
Nobody wants to hear stuff we already know. We want Feedback to our Feedback to Skillchanges etc.
Until those changes are finalized what can he say about it? They are still gathering data.
You must be new to the game. It is like this every large patch with ZoS promising they will eventually address our concerns, that they are listening and watching the forums and yet, guess how many times our concerns are really addressed?
I remember a year back @Wrobel promised to come to the show and discuss the issues with sorcerers, he also promised to discuss with players here in the forum... It never really happened and it never will. ESO Live consists of them going over topics everyone has heard about at least 3 times before, explaining some changes that anyone capable of reading should be able to understand from the patch notes and more importantly, it consists of the team ignoring every hard question asked in the chat or here in the forum.
Im not new Ive been here since the first day. Heck before the first day I was in one of the last betas too. I still think the best avenue for feedback is via the official feedback threads and not a live Q&A where they cant reserach the answers to the questions. Or are not allowed to talk about them just yet.
Heh, they never answer to their feedback pages either. Sorcerer's official feedback already has over 20 pages of comments and yet @Wrobel went and made a post in an unofficial post. That is how much they pay attention to their own feedback section.
The feedback threads are not a back and forth. You leave feedback and they review it.
Precisely why we would want them to address those concerns in ESO Live. Because they never ever address concerns in the forum. Not really.
ESO live is not a forum for that either. They take your feedback. Make changes based on it. put out the PTS patch notes. Take more feedback. Issue another patch. Until it goes live. ESO live is and always has been kind of an advertising thing to sell the latest update or DLC etc. Its simply not long enough to deal with this kind of thing.
ZOS does not make changes based on our feedback. They announce a change, and sometimes put up a feedback thread about it. They make one post in said thread thanking us for our feedback. Then completely ignoring player feedback they implement whatever they want, however they want.
Then why did they create those feedback threads? I think they do listen to a lot of feedback. Some things tho the players want is not healthy for the game over all. Poll your kids and ask them if they want to eat vegetables or cookies. I bet most will pick the cookies. Then you serve veggies to them and they claim you ignored their feedback on dinner.
They create the feedback threads because if they didn't the Forums would be consumed by 10k different threads about complains. It is easier to ignore a single thread and it makes it easier on the moderators too.
Well I mean if thats your attitude I dont see any point in discussion with you to be frank.
Then don't discuss. This is not an attitude, it is a reality. You asked why they make an official feedback thread? It is to reduce the number of the threads with complains or suggestions into a single thread making the life of moderators a lot easier. The fact they make feedback threads does not mean they actually listen, actually there is a lot of evidence that they don't listen, one of which being that they don't respond to their feedback threads either in the threads or on ESO Live.2 -
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✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes - there's just too many to go through in this show without it turning into an all-nighter, and the team is still actively making changes.
You guys should just give Wrobel his own show every PTS cycle, The Wrobel special or something.
So we can all watch him dodge questions everytime? XD
It is an interesting idea, he might need body armor for it though.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes
That must be a joke!
Nobody wants to hear stuff we already know. We want Feedback to our Feedback to Skillchanges etc.
Until those changes are finalized what can he say about it? They are still gathering data.
You must be new to the game. It is like this every large patch with ZoS promising they will eventually address our concerns, that they are listening and watching the forums and yet, guess how many times our concerns are really addressed?
I remember a year back @Wrobel promised to come to the show and discuss the issues with sorcerers, he also promised to discuss with players here in the forum... It never really happened and it never will. ESO Live consists of them going over topics everyone has heard about at least 3 times before, explaining some changes that anyone capable of reading should be able to understand from the patch notes and more importantly, it consists of the team ignoring every hard question asked in the chat or here in the forum.
Im not new Ive been here since the first day. Heck before the first day I was in one of the last betas too. I still think the best avenue for feedback is via the official feedback threads and not a live Q&A where they cant reserach the answers to the questions. Or are not allowed to talk about them just yet.
Heh, they never answer to their feedback pages either. Sorcerer's official feedback already has over 20 pages of comments and yet @Wrobel went and made a post in an unofficial post. That is how much they pay attention to their own feedback section.
The feedback threads are not a back and forth. You leave feedback and they review it.
Precisely why we would want them to address those concerns in ESO Live. Because they never ever address concerns in the forum. Not really.
ESO live is not a forum for that either. They take your feedback. Make changes based on it. put out the PTS patch notes. Take more feedback. Issue another patch. Until it goes live. ESO live is and always has been kind of an advertising thing to sell the latest update or DLC etc. Its simply not long enough to deal with this kind of thing.
ZOS does not make changes based on our feedback. They announce a change, and sometimes put up a feedback thread about it. They make one post in said thread thanking us for our feedback. Then completely ignoring player feedback they implement whatever they want, however they want.
Then why did they create those feedback threads? I think they do listen to a lot of feedback. Some things tho the players want is not healthy for the game over all. Poll your kids and ask them if they want to eat vegetables or cookies. I bet most will pick the cookies. Then you serve veggies to them and they claim you ignored their feedback on dinner.
Here is some indisputable proof that ZOS completely ignores feedback, and implements whatever they hell they want.
Exhibit A
Exhibit B
That anology is plain insulting. We are not children, and a good number of us have been playing MMOs longer than ZOS has been a company. When 87% of over 4,000 people tell you not to do something, and you do it anyway, you don't listen to feedback. We speak from experience, because we have seen other companies implement some of the same things that completely their game.
They already explained why they cannot remove AOE caps. He talked about it on the forums and on ESO live. They heard your feedback you just didnt like the answer they gave. Same as the kid who doesnt understand why you cant eat cookies for dinner.
Wrobel has not once said why AOE caps were put in the game, (that poll was from before they were implemented) or why they won't remove them. The only thing ZOS will say on the issue is "there are no plans to remove them", and "we added this new ability or item set that should break up those ball groups".
He explains starting at 9:30
https://youtu.be/bKu7GnANIO8?t=9m29s 1 -
Ajax_22✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes - there's just too many to go through in this show without it turning into an all-nighter, and the team is still actively making changes.
You guys should just give Wrobel his own show every PTS cycle, The Wrobel special or something.
So we can all watch him dodge questions everytime? XD
It is an interesting idea, he might need body armor for it though.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes
That must be a joke!
Nobody wants to hear stuff we already know. We want Feedback to our Feedback to Skillchanges etc.
Until those changes are finalized what can he say about it? They are still gathering data.
You must be new to the game. It is like this every large patch with ZoS promising they will eventually address our concerns, that they are listening and watching the forums and yet, guess how many times our concerns are really addressed?
I remember a year back @Wrobel promised to come to the show and discuss the issues with sorcerers, he also promised to discuss with players here in the forum... It never really happened and it never will. ESO Live consists of them going over topics everyone has heard about at least 3 times before, explaining some changes that anyone capable of reading should be able to understand from the patch notes and more importantly, it consists of the team ignoring every hard question asked in the chat or here in the forum.
Im not new Ive been here since the first day. Heck before the first day I was in one of the last betas too. I still think the best avenue for feedback is via the official feedback threads and not a live Q&A where they cant reserach the answers to the questions. Or are not allowed to talk about them just yet.
Heh, they never answer to their feedback pages either. Sorcerer's official feedback already has over 20 pages of comments and yet @Wrobel went and made a post in an unofficial post. That is how much they pay attention to their own feedback section.
The feedback threads are not a back and forth. You leave feedback and they review it.
Precisely why we would want them to address those concerns in ESO Live. Because they never ever address concerns in the forum. Not really.
ESO live is not a forum for that either. They take your feedback. Make changes based on it. put out the PTS patch notes. Take more feedback. Issue another patch. Until it goes live. ESO live is and always has been kind of an advertising thing to sell the latest update or DLC etc. Its simply not long enough to deal with this kind of thing.
ZOS does not make changes based on our feedback. They announce a change, and sometimes put up a feedback thread about it. They make one post in said thread thanking us for our feedback. Then completely ignoring player feedback they implement whatever they want, however they want.
Then why did they create those feedback threads? I think they do listen to a lot of feedback. Some things tho the players want is not healthy for the game over all. Poll your kids and ask them if they want to eat vegetables or cookies. I bet most will pick the cookies. Then you serve veggies to them and they claim you ignored their feedback on dinner.
They create the feedback threads because if they didn't the Forums would be consumed by 10k different threads about complains. It is easier to ignore a single thread and it makes it easier on the moderators too.
Well I mean if thats your attitude I dont see any point in discussion with you to be frank.
Then don't discuss. This is not an attitude, it is a reality. You asked why they make an official feedback thread? It is to reduce the number of the threads with complains or suggestions into a single thread making the life of moderators a lot easier. The fact they make feedback threads does not mean they actually listen, actually there is a lot of evidence that they don't listen, one of which being that they don't respond to their feedback threads either in the threads or on ESO Live.
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Ajax_22✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes - there's just too many to go through in this show without it turning into an all-nighter, and the team is still actively making changes.
You guys should just give Wrobel his own show every PTS cycle, The Wrobel special or something.
So we can all watch him dodge questions everytime? XD
It is an interesting idea, he might need body armor for it though.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes
That must be a joke!
Nobody wants to hear stuff we already know. We want Feedback to our Feedback to Skillchanges etc.
Until those changes are finalized what can he say about it? They are still gathering data.
You must be new to the game. It is like this every large patch with ZoS promising they will eventually address our concerns, that they are listening and watching the forums and yet, guess how many times our concerns are really addressed?
I remember a year back @Wrobel promised to come to the show and discuss the issues with sorcerers, he also promised to discuss with players here in the forum... It never really happened and it never will. ESO Live consists of them going over topics everyone has heard about at least 3 times before, explaining some changes that anyone capable of reading should be able to understand from the patch notes and more importantly, it consists of the team ignoring every hard question asked in the chat or here in the forum.
Im not new Ive been here since the first day. Heck before the first day I was in one of the last betas too. I still think the best avenue for feedback is via the official feedback threads and not a live Q&A where they cant reserach the answers to the questions. Or are not allowed to talk about them just yet.
Heh, they never answer to their feedback pages either. Sorcerer's official feedback already has over 20 pages of comments and yet @Wrobel went and made a post in an unofficial post. That is how much they pay attention to their own feedback section.
The feedback threads are not a back and forth. You leave feedback and they review it.
Precisely why we would want them to address those concerns in ESO Live. Because they never ever address concerns in the forum. Not really.
ESO live is not a forum for that either. They take your feedback. Make changes based on it. put out the PTS patch notes. Take more feedback. Issue another patch. Until it goes live. ESO live is and always has been kind of an advertising thing to sell the latest update or DLC etc. Its simply not long enough to deal with this kind of thing.
ZOS does not make changes based on our feedback. They announce a change, and sometimes put up a feedback thread about it. They make one post in said thread thanking us for our feedback. Then completely ignoring player feedback they implement whatever they want, however they want.
Then why did they create those feedback threads? I think they do listen to a lot of feedback. Some things tho the players want is not healthy for the game over all. Poll your kids and ask them if they want to eat vegetables or cookies. I bet most will pick the cookies. Then you serve veggies to them and they claim you ignored their feedback on dinner.
Here is some indisputable proof that ZOS completely ignores feedback, and implements whatever they hell they want.
Exhibit A
Exhibit B
That anology is plain insulting. We are not children, and a good number of us have been playing MMOs longer than ZOS has been a company. When 87% of over 4,000 people tell you not to do something, and you do it anyway, you don't listen to feedback. We speak from experience, because we have seen other companies implement some of the same things that completely their game.
They already explained why they cannot remove AOE caps. He talked about it on the forums and on ESO live. They heard your feedback you just didnt like the answer they gave. Same as the kid who doesnt understand why you cant eat cookies for dinner.
Wrobel has not once said why AOE caps were put in the game, (that poll was from before they were implemented) or why they won't remove them. The only thing ZOS will say on the issue is "there are no plans to remove them", and "we added this new ability or item set that should break up those ball groups".
He explains starting at 9:30https://youtu.be/bKu7GnANIO8?t=9m29s
No he doesn't there is no explanation anywhere in that ESO Live. He completely talks around the subject for about 15 minutes.1 -
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✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes - there's just too many to go through in this show without it turning into an all-nighter, and the team is still actively making changes.
You guys should just give Wrobel his own show every PTS cycle, The Wrobel special or something.
So we can all watch him dodge questions everytime? XD
It is an interesting idea, he might need body armor for it though.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes
That must be a joke!
Nobody wants to hear stuff we already know. We want Feedback to our Feedback to Skillchanges etc.
Until those changes are finalized what can he say about it? They are still gathering data.
You must be new to the game. It is like this every large patch with ZoS promising they will eventually address our concerns, that they are listening and watching the forums and yet, guess how many times our concerns are really addressed?
I remember a year back @Wrobel promised to come to the show and discuss the issues with sorcerers, he also promised to discuss with players here in the forum... It never really happened and it never will. ESO Live consists of them going over topics everyone has heard about at least 3 times before, explaining some changes that anyone capable of reading should be able to understand from the patch notes and more importantly, it consists of the team ignoring every hard question asked in the chat or here in the forum.
Im not new Ive been here since the first day. Heck before the first day I was in one of the last betas too. I still think the best avenue for feedback is via the official feedback threads and not a live Q&A where they cant reserach the answers to the questions. Or are not allowed to talk about them just yet.
Heh, they never answer to their feedback pages either. Sorcerer's official feedback already has over 20 pages of comments and yet @Wrobel went and made a post in an unofficial post. That is how much they pay attention to their own feedback section.
The feedback threads are not a back and forth. You leave feedback and they review it.
Precisely why we would want them to address those concerns in ESO Live. Because they never ever address concerns in the forum. Not really.
ESO live is not a forum for that either. They take your feedback. Make changes based on it. put out the PTS patch notes. Take more feedback. Issue another patch. Until it goes live. ESO live is and always has been kind of an advertising thing to sell the latest update or DLC etc. Its simply not long enough to deal with this kind of thing.
ZOS does not make changes based on our feedback. They announce a change, and sometimes put up a feedback thread about it. They make one post in said thread thanking us for our feedback. Then completely ignoring player feedback they implement whatever they want, however they want.
Then why did they create those feedback threads? I think they do listen to a lot of feedback. Some things tho the players want is not healthy for the game over all. Poll your kids and ask them if they want to eat vegetables or cookies. I bet most will pick the cookies. Then you serve veggies to them and they claim you ignored their feedback on dinner.
Here is some indisputable proof that ZOS completely ignores feedback, and implements whatever they hell they want.
Exhibit A
Exhibit B
That anology is plain insulting. We are not children, and a good number of us have been playing MMOs longer than ZOS has been a company. When 87% of over 4,000 people tell you not to do something, and you do it anyway, you don't listen to feedback. We speak from experience, because we have seen other companies implement some of the same things that completely their game.
They already explained why they cannot remove AOE caps. He talked about it on the forums and on ESO live. They heard your feedback you just didnt like the answer they gave. Same as the kid who doesnt understand why you cant eat cookies for dinner.
Wrobel has not once said why AOE caps were put in the game, (that poll was from before they were implemented) or why they won't remove them. The only thing ZOS will say on the issue is "there are no plans to remove them", and "we added this new ability or item set that should break up those ball groups".
He explains starting at 9:30https://youtu.be/bKu7GnANIO8?t=9m29s
No he doesn't there is no explanation anywhere in that ESO Live. He completely talks around the subject for about 15 minutes.
lol he very clearly explains why it affects more than just PVP. He went on about it in detail. Explains why they came to this solution. You might not like the answer he gave but dont say he danced around anything. Hes VERY clear.2 -
deusex2Soul ShrivenI'd really like to know why the hell the game is unplayable half the time, due to time specific lag.0
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✭✭Talk of vampires is what I'd like to hear about"Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
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"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
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Ajax_22✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes - there's just too many to go through in this show without it turning into an all-nighter, and the team is still actively making changes.
You guys should just give Wrobel his own show every PTS cycle, The Wrobel special or something.
So we can all watch him dodge questions everytime? XD
It is an interesting idea, he might need body armor for it though.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes
That must be a joke!
Nobody wants to hear stuff we already know. We want Feedback to our Feedback to Skillchanges etc.
Until those changes are finalized what can he say about it? They are still gathering data.
You must be new to the game. It is like this every large patch with ZoS promising they will eventually address our concerns, that they are listening and watching the forums and yet, guess how many times our concerns are really addressed?
I remember a year back @Wrobel promised to come to the show and discuss the issues with sorcerers, he also promised to discuss with players here in the forum... It never really happened and it never will. ESO Live consists of them going over topics everyone has heard about at least 3 times before, explaining some changes that anyone capable of reading should be able to understand from the patch notes and more importantly, it consists of the team ignoring every hard question asked in the chat or here in the forum.
Im not new Ive been here since the first day. Heck before the first day I was in one of the last betas too. I still think the best avenue for feedback is via the official feedback threads and not a live Q&A where they cant reserach the answers to the questions. Or are not allowed to talk about them just yet.
Heh, they never answer to their feedback pages either. Sorcerer's official feedback already has over 20 pages of comments and yet @Wrobel went and made a post in an unofficial post. That is how much they pay attention to their own feedback section.
The feedback threads are not a back and forth. You leave feedback and they review it.
Precisely why we would want them to address those concerns in ESO Live. Because they never ever address concerns in the forum. Not really.
ESO live is not a forum for that either. They take your feedback. Make changes based on it. put out the PTS patch notes. Take more feedback. Issue another patch. Until it goes live. ESO live is and always has been kind of an advertising thing to sell the latest update or DLC etc. Its simply not long enough to deal with this kind of thing.
ZOS does not make changes based on our feedback. They announce a change, and sometimes put up a feedback thread about it. They make one post in said thread thanking us for our feedback. Then completely ignoring player feedback they implement whatever they want, however they want.
Then why did they create those feedback threads? I think they do listen to a lot of feedback. Some things tho the players want is not healthy for the game over all. Poll your kids and ask them if they want to eat vegetables or cookies. I bet most will pick the cookies. Then you serve veggies to them and they claim you ignored their feedback on dinner.
Here is some indisputable proof that ZOS completely ignores feedback, and implements whatever they hell they want.
Exhibit A
Exhibit B
That anology is plain insulting. We are not children, and a good number of us have been playing MMOs longer than ZOS has been a company. When 87% of over 4,000 people tell you not to do something, and you do it anyway, you don't listen to feedback. We speak from experience, because we have seen other companies implement some of the same things that completely their game.
They already explained why they cannot remove AOE caps. He talked about it on the forums and on ESO live. They heard your feedback you just didnt like the answer they gave. Same as the kid who doesnt understand why you cant eat cookies for dinner.
Wrobel has not once said why AOE caps were put in the game, (that poll was from before they were implemented) or why they won't remove them. The only thing ZOS will say on the issue is "there are no plans to remove them", and "we added this new ability or item set that should break up those ball groups".
He explains starting at 9:30https://youtu.be/bKu7GnANIO8?t=9m29s
No he doesn't there is no explanation anywhere in that ESO Live. He completely talks around the subject for about 15 minutes.
lol he very clearly explains why it affects more than just PVP. He went on about it in detail. Explains why they came to this solution. You might not like the answer he gave but dont say he danced around anything. Hes VERY clear.
"Because PvE" is not a valid explanation for why AOE caps won't be removed. The community has come up with multiple easy to implement solutions that keep TTK the same without destroying PvP gameplay. Until ZOS goes into explicit technical detail on every limitation or issue they would experience with removing AOE caps, and has a back and forth discussion on it, they have not given a valid explanation. ZOS still refuses to admit why AOE caps were implemented in the first place, and their implementation had nothing to do with PvE.3 -
boundsy88✭✭✭we wanna know when is the game gonna go past the Bind on Pickup era? the market of this game has been absolutely brutal on pve players since the IC update. i know the updated gear from the trials is nice, but the rest of the maelstrom sets, vICP, vWGT and the orsinium daily stuff has to be brought out of the BOP era.
i literally had to spend a day thinking of how the hell i was gonna make some money. unless u pvp or farm stuff all day, which isnt overly efficient anymore since nothing farmable is going for much anymore, your not gonna make much gold.
also i would like to see some decreases in respec costs, just to switch from a pve build to a pvp build i have to pay 3000 gold every time, then pay it again when im finished with it which is rather ridiculous.Edited by boundsy88 on 6 May 2016 16:320 -
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✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes - there's just too many to go through in this show without it turning into an all-nighter, and the team is still actively making changes.
You guys should just give Wrobel his own show every PTS cycle, The Wrobel special or something.
So we can all watch him dodge questions everytime? XD
It is an interesting idea, he might need body armor for it though.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes
That must be a joke!
Nobody wants to hear stuff we already know. We want Feedback to our Feedback to Skillchanges etc.
Until those changes are finalized what can he say about it? They are still gathering data.
You must be new to the game. It is like this every large patch with ZoS promising they will eventually address our concerns, that they are listening and watching the forums and yet, guess how many times our concerns are really addressed?
I remember a year back @Wrobel promised to come to the show and discuss the issues with sorcerers, he also promised to discuss with players here in the forum... It never really happened and it never will. ESO Live consists of them going over topics everyone has heard about at least 3 times before, explaining some changes that anyone capable of reading should be able to understand from the patch notes and more importantly, it consists of the team ignoring every hard question asked in the chat or here in the forum.
Im not new Ive been here since the first day. Heck before the first day I was in one of the last betas too. I still think the best avenue for feedback is via the official feedback threads and not a live Q&A where they cant reserach the answers to the questions. Or are not allowed to talk about them just yet.
Heh, they never answer to their feedback pages either. Sorcerer's official feedback already has over 20 pages of comments and yet @Wrobel went and made a post in an unofficial post. That is how much they pay attention to their own feedback section.
The feedback threads are not a back and forth. You leave feedback and they review it.
Precisely why we would want them to address those concerns in ESO Live. Because they never ever address concerns in the forum. Not really.
ESO live is not a forum for that either. They take your feedback. Make changes based on it. put out the PTS patch notes. Take more feedback. Issue another patch. Until it goes live. ESO live is and always has been kind of an advertising thing to sell the latest update or DLC etc. Its simply not long enough to deal with this kind of thing.
ZOS does not make changes based on our feedback. They announce a change, and sometimes put up a feedback thread about it. They make one post in said thread thanking us for our feedback. Then completely ignoring player feedback they implement whatever they want, however they want.
Then why did they create those feedback threads? I think they do listen to a lot of feedback. Some things tho the players want is not healthy for the game over all. Poll your kids and ask them if they want to eat vegetables or cookies. I bet most will pick the cookies. Then you serve veggies to them and they claim you ignored their feedback on dinner.
Here is some indisputable proof that ZOS completely ignores feedback, and implements whatever they hell they want.
Exhibit A
Exhibit B
That anology is plain insulting. We are not children, and a good number of us have been playing MMOs longer than ZOS has been a company. When 87% of over 4,000 people tell you not to do something, and you do it anyway, you don't listen to feedback. We speak from experience, because we have seen other companies implement some of the same things that completely their game.
They already explained why they cannot remove AOE caps. He talked about it on the forums and on ESO live. They heard your feedback you just didnt like the answer they gave. Same as the kid who doesnt understand why you cant eat cookies for dinner.
Wrobel has not once said why AOE caps were put in the game, (that poll was from before they were implemented) or why they won't remove them. The only thing ZOS will say on the issue is "there are no plans to remove them", and "we added this new ability or item set that should break up those ball groups".
He explains starting at 9:30https://youtu.be/bKu7GnANIO8?t=9m29s
No he doesn't there is no explanation anywhere in that ESO Live. He completely talks around the subject for about 15 minutes.
lol he very clearly explains why it affects more than just PVP. He went on about it in detail. Explains why they came to this solution. You might not like the answer he gave but dont say he danced around anything. Hes VERY clear.
"Because PvE" is not a valid explanation for why AOE caps won't be removed. The community has come up with multiple easy to implement solutions that keep TTK the same without destroying PvP gameplay. Until ZOS goes into explicit technical detail on every limitation or issue they would experience with removing AOE caps, and has a back and forth discussion on it, they have not given a valid explanation. ZOS still refuses to admit why AOE caps were implemented in the first place, and their implementation had nothing to do with PvE.
Thats not what he said. He explained as well as he could to a general audience how and why they came to the decision they did. Anyways I can tell no matter what he says besides aoe caps have been removed would not be acceptable to you. So really no sense in discussing it anymore.1 -
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✭we wanna know when is the game gonna go past the Bind on Pickup era? the market of this game has been absolutely brutal on pve players since the IC update. i know the updated gear from the trials is nice, but the rest of the maelstrom sets, vICP, vWGT and the orsinium daily stuff has to be brought out of the BOP era.
i literally had to spend a day thinking of how the hell i was gonna make some money. unless u pvp or farm stuff all day, which isnt overly efficient anymore since nothing farmable is going for much anymore, your not gonna make much gold.
also i would like to see some decreases in respec costs, just to switch from a pve build to a pvp build i have to pay 3000 gold every time, then pay it again when im finished with it which is rather ridiculous.
Really? There are so many ways to make gold in this game...0 -
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Ajax_22✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes - there's just too many to go through in this show without it turning into an all-nighter, and the team is still actively making changes.
You guys should just give Wrobel his own show every PTS cycle, The Wrobel special or something.
So we can all watch him dodge questions everytime? XD
It is an interesting idea, he might need body armor for it though.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes
That must be a joke!
Nobody wants to hear stuff we already know. We want Feedback to our Feedback to Skillchanges etc.
Until those changes are finalized what can he say about it? They are still gathering data.
You must be new to the game. It is like this every large patch with ZoS promising they will eventually address our concerns, that they are listening and watching the forums and yet, guess how many times our concerns are really addressed?
I remember a year back @Wrobel promised to come to the show and discuss the issues with sorcerers, he also promised to discuss with players here in the forum... It never really happened and it never will. ESO Live consists of them going over topics everyone has heard about at least 3 times before, explaining some changes that anyone capable of reading should be able to understand from the patch notes and more importantly, it consists of the team ignoring every hard question asked in the chat or here in the forum.
Im not new Ive been here since the first day. Heck before the first day I was in one of the last betas too. I still think the best avenue for feedback is via the official feedback threads and not a live Q&A where they cant reserach the answers to the questions. Or are not allowed to talk about them just yet.
Heh, they never answer to their feedback pages either. Sorcerer's official feedback already has over 20 pages of comments and yet @Wrobel went and made a post in an unofficial post. That is how much they pay attention to their own feedback section.
The feedback threads are not a back and forth. You leave feedback and they review it.
Precisely why we would want them to address those concerns in ESO Live. Because they never ever address concerns in the forum. Not really.
ESO live is not a forum for that either. They take your feedback. Make changes based on it. put out the PTS patch notes. Take more feedback. Issue another patch. Until it goes live. ESO live is and always has been kind of an advertising thing to sell the latest update or DLC etc. Its simply not long enough to deal with this kind of thing.
ZOS does not make changes based on our feedback. They announce a change, and sometimes put up a feedback thread about it. They make one post in said thread thanking us for our feedback. Then completely ignoring player feedback they implement whatever they want, however they want.
Then why did they create those feedback threads? I think they do listen to a lot of feedback. Some things tho the players want is not healthy for the game over all. Poll your kids and ask them if they want to eat vegetables or cookies. I bet most will pick the cookies. Then you serve veggies to them and they claim you ignored their feedback on dinner.
Here is some indisputable proof that ZOS completely ignores feedback, and implements whatever they hell they want.
Exhibit A
Exhibit B
That anology is plain insulting. We are not children, and a good number of us have been playing MMOs longer than ZOS has been a company. When 87% of over 4,000 people tell you not to do something, and you do it anyway, you don't listen to feedback. We speak from experience, because we have seen other companies implement some of the same things that completely their game.
They already explained why they cannot remove AOE caps. He talked about it on the forums and on ESO live. They heard your feedback you just didnt like the answer they gave. Same as the kid who doesnt understand why you cant eat cookies for dinner.
Wrobel has not once said why AOE caps were put in the game, (that poll was from before they were implemented) or why they won't remove them. The only thing ZOS will say on the issue is "there are no plans to remove them", and "we added this new ability or item set that should break up those ball groups".
He explains starting at 9:30https://youtu.be/bKu7GnANIO8?t=9m29s
No he doesn't there is no explanation anywhere in that ESO Live. He completely talks around the subject for about 15 minutes.
lol he very clearly explains why it affects more than just PVP. He went on about it in detail. Explains why they came to this solution. You might not like the answer he gave but dont say he danced around anything. Hes VERY clear.
"Because PvE" is not a valid explanation for why AOE caps won't be removed. The community has come up with multiple easy to implement solutions that keep TTK the same without destroying PvP gameplay. Until ZOS goes into explicit technical detail on every limitation or issue they would experience with removing AOE caps, and has a back and forth discussion on it, they have not given a valid explanation. ZOS still refuses to admit why AOE caps were implemented in the first place, and their implementation had nothing to do with PvE.
Thats not what he said. He explained as well as he could to a general audience how and why they came to the decision they did. Anyways I can tell no matter what he says besides aoe caps have been removed would not be acceptable to you. So really no sense in discussing it anymore.
That is exactly what he said. I will be happy if ZOS tells us why they were patched into the game, and gives us an in depth technical explanations for why they can't be removed. Until then I'll keep operating under the assumption that they won't remove them because they don't want to, and fighting for their removal every chance I get.0 -
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✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes - there's just too many to go through in this show without it turning into an all-nighter, and the team is still actively making changes.
You guys should just give Wrobel his own show every PTS cycle, The Wrobel special or something.
So we can all watch him dodge questions everytime? XD
It is an interesting idea, he might need body armor for it though.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes
That must be a joke!
Nobody wants to hear stuff we already know. We want Feedback to our Feedback to Skillchanges etc.
Until those changes are finalized what can he say about it? They are still gathering data.
You must be new to the game. It is like this every large patch with ZoS promising they will eventually address our concerns, that they are listening and watching the forums and yet, guess how many times our concerns are really addressed?
I remember a year back @Wrobel promised to come to the show and discuss the issues with sorcerers, he also promised to discuss with players here in the forum... It never really happened and it never will. ESO Live consists of them going over topics everyone has heard about at least 3 times before, explaining some changes that anyone capable of reading should be able to understand from the patch notes and more importantly, it consists of the team ignoring every hard question asked in the chat or here in the forum.
Im not new Ive been here since the first day. Heck before the first day I was in one of the last betas too. I still think the best avenue for feedback is via the official feedback threads and not a live Q&A where they cant reserach the answers to the questions. Or are not allowed to talk about them just yet.
Heh, they never answer to their feedback pages either. Sorcerer's official feedback already has over 20 pages of comments and yet @Wrobel went and made a post in an unofficial post. That is how much they pay attention to their own feedback section.
The feedback threads are not a back and forth. You leave feedback and they review it.
Precisely why we would want them to address those concerns in ESO Live. Because they never ever address concerns in the forum. Not really.
ESO live is not a forum for that either. They take your feedback. Make changes based on it. put out the PTS patch notes. Take more feedback. Issue another patch. Until it goes live. ESO live is and always has been kind of an advertising thing to sell the latest update or DLC etc. Its simply not long enough to deal with this kind of thing.
ZOS does not make changes based on our feedback. They announce a change, and sometimes put up a feedback thread about it. They make one post in said thread thanking us for our feedback. Then completely ignoring player feedback they implement whatever they want, however they want.
Then why did they create those feedback threads? I think they do listen to a lot of feedback. Some things tho the players want is not healthy for the game over all. Poll your kids and ask them if they want to eat vegetables or cookies. I bet most will pick the cookies. Then you serve veggies to them and they claim you ignored their feedback on dinner.
Here is some indisputable proof that ZOS completely ignores feedback, and implements whatever they hell they want.
Exhibit A
Exhibit B
That anology is plain insulting. We are not children, and a good number of us have been playing MMOs longer than ZOS has been a company. When 87% of over 4,000 people tell you not to do something, and you do it anyway, you don't listen to feedback. We speak from experience, because we have seen other companies implement some of the same things that completely their game.
They already explained why they cannot remove AOE caps. He talked about it on the forums and on ESO live. They heard your feedback you just didnt like the answer they gave. Same as the kid who doesnt understand why you cant eat cookies for dinner.
Wrobel has not once said why AOE caps were put in the game, (that poll was from before they were implemented) or why they won't remove them. The only thing ZOS will say on the issue is "there are no plans to remove them", and "we added this new ability or item set that should break up those ball groups".
He explains starting at 9:30https://youtu.be/bKu7GnANIO8?t=9m29s
No he doesn't there is no explanation anywhere in that ESO Live. He completely talks around the subject for about 15 minutes.
lol he very clearly explains why it affects more than just PVP. He went on about it in detail. Explains why they came to this solution. You might not like the answer he gave but dont say he danced around anything. Hes VERY clear.
"Because PvE" is not a valid explanation for why AOE caps won't be removed. The community has come up with multiple easy to implement solutions that keep TTK the same without destroying PvP gameplay. Until ZOS goes into explicit technical detail on every limitation or issue they would experience with removing AOE caps, and has a back and forth discussion on it, they have not given a valid explanation. ZOS still refuses to admit why AOE caps were implemented in the first place, and their implementation had nothing to do with PvE.
Thats not what he said. He explained as well as he could to a general audience how and why they came to the decision they did. Anyways I can tell no matter what he says besides aoe caps have been removed would not be acceptable to you. So really no sense in discussing it anymore.
That is exactly what he said. I will be happy if ZOS tells us why they were patched into the game, and gives us an in depth technical explanations for why they can't be removed. Until then I'll keep operating under the assumption that they won't remove them because they don't want to, and fighting for their removal every chance I get.
I doubt they care to be frank. Fact is thats a dead horse basically. The rest of us have moved on.1 -
Ajax_22✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes - there's just too many to go through in this show without it turning into an all-nighter, and the team is still actively making changes.
You guys should just give Wrobel his own show every PTS cycle, The Wrobel special or something.
So we can all watch him dodge questions everytime? XD
It is an interesting idea, he might need body armor for it though.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Eric will not be discussing ability changes
That must be a joke!
Nobody wants to hear stuff we already know. We want Feedback to our Feedback to Skillchanges etc.
Until those changes are finalized what can he say about it? They are still gathering data.
You must be new to the game. It is like this every large patch with ZoS promising they will eventually address our concerns, that they are listening and watching the forums and yet, guess how many times our concerns are really addressed?
I remember a year back @Wrobel promised to come to the show and discuss the issues with sorcerers, he also promised to discuss with players here in the forum... It never really happened and it never will. ESO Live consists of them going over topics everyone has heard about at least 3 times before, explaining some changes that anyone capable of reading should be able to understand from the patch notes and more importantly, it consists of the team ignoring every hard question asked in the chat or here in the forum.
Im not new Ive been here since the first day. Heck before the first day I was in one of the last betas too. I still think the best avenue for feedback is via the official feedback threads and not a live Q&A where they cant reserach the answers to the questions. Or are not allowed to talk about them just yet.
Heh, they never answer to their feedback pages either. Sorcerer's official feedback already has over 20 pages of comments and yet @Wrobel went and made a post in an unofficial post. That is how much they pay attention to their own feedback section.
The feedback threads are not a back and forth. You leave feedback and they review it.
Precisely why we would want them to address those concerns in ESO Live. Because they never ever address concerns in the forum. Not really.
ESO live is not a forum for that either. They take your feedback. Make changes based on it. put out the PTS patch notes. Take more feedback. Issue another patch. Until it goes live. ESO live is and always has been kind of an advertising thing to sell the latest update or DLC etc. Its simply not long enough to deal with this kind of thing.
ZOS does not make changes based on our feedback. They announce a change, and sometimes put up a feedback thread about it. They make one post in said thread thanking us for our feedback. Then completely ignoring player feedback they implement whatever they want, however they want.
Then why did they create those feedback threads? I think they do listen to a lot of feedback. Some things tho the players want is not healthy for the game over all. Poll your kids and ask them if they want to eat vegetables or cookies. I bet most will pick the cookies. Then you serve veggies to them and they claim you ignored their feedback on dinner.
Here is some indisputable proof that ZOS completely ignores feedback, and implements whatever they hell they want.
Exhibit A
Exhibit B
That anology is plain insulting. We are not children, and a good number of us have been playing MMOs longer than ZOS has been a company. When 87% of over 4,000 people tell you not to do something, and you do it anyway, you don't listen to feedback. We speak from experience, because we have seen other companies implement some of the same things that completely their game.
They already explained why they cannot remove AOE caps. He talked about it on the forums and on ESO live. They heard your feedback you just didnt like the answer they gave. Same as the kid who doesnt understand why you cant eat cookies for dinner.
Wrobel has not once said why AOE caps were put in the game, (that poll was from before they were implemented) or why they won't remove them. The only thing ZOS will say on the issue is "there are no plans to remove them", and "we added this new ability or item set that should break up those ball groups".
He explains starting at 9:30https://youtu.be/bKu7GnANIO8?t=9m29s
No he doesn't there is no explanation anywhere in that ESO Live. He completely talks around the subject for about 15 minutes.
lol he very clearly explains why it affects more than just PVP. He went on about it in detail. Explains why they came to this solution. You might not like the answer he gave but dont say he danced around anything. Hes VERY clear.
"Because PvE" is not a valid explanation for why AOE caps won't be removed. The community has come up with multiple easy to implement solutions that keep TTK the same without destroying PvP gameplay. Until ZOS goes into explicit technical detail on every limitation or issue they would experience with removing AOE caps, and has a back and forth discussion on it, they have not given a valid explanation. ZOS still refuses to admit why AOE caps were implemented in the first place, and their implementation had nothing to do with PvE.
Thats not what he said. He explained as well as he could to a general audience how and why they came to the decision they did. Anyways I can tell no matter what he says besides aoe caps have been removed would not be acceptable to you. So really no sense in discussing it anymore.
That is exactly what he said. I will be happy if ZOS tells us why they were patched into the game, and gives us an in depth technical explanations for why they can't be removed. Until then I'll keep operating under the assumption that they won't remove them because they don't want to, and fighting for their removal every chance I get.
I doubt they care to be frank. Fact is thats a dead horse basically. The rest of us have moved on.
Yes many PvPers have moved on....to other games, because AOE caps and lag make Cyrodiil an unenjoyable experience most of the time.1
