Templars & Dks

coolermh · April 2016

If played correctly stamina dk and magika temp are by far the most versatile and likely the strongest pvp chars. Why do people complain about sorcs and nightblades so much?

Justice31st · April 2016

coolermh wrote: »

If played correctly stamina dk and magika temp are by far the most versatile and likely the strongest pvp chars. Why do people complain about sorcs and nightblades so much?

lol...

Baconlad · April 2016

because templar and DK tend to require a lot more skill as opposed to a sorc or NB. Well...all except templar healing, that is still ez mode

outsideworld76 · April 2016

I just rolled a Templar this week and leveled it to vetran with the cake. I find the Templar ridiculously easy to play compared to my DK. With the DK you have to manage your resources very carefully or you're dead, the Templar has so many self heals and very high DPS compared to my DK.
When I hit level 38 went into Scourge and killed some v16's with my gsus beam, wow... now I have it, it should not be nerfed, in no way is it OP

Ariades_swe · April 2016

outsideworld76 wrote: »

I just rolled a Templar this week and leveled it to vetran with the cake. I find the Templar ridiculously easy to play compared to my DK. With the DK you have to manage your resources very carefully or you're dead, the Templar has so many self heals and very high DPS compared to my DK.
When I hit level 38 went into Scourge and killed some v16's with my gsus beam, wow... now I have it, it should not be nerfed, in no way is it OP

If you think stam dk hard maybe stick to tetris.

Mike_IG · April 2016

Ariades_swe wrote: »

outsideworld76 wrote: »

I just rolled a Templar this week and leveled it to vetran with the cake. I find the Templar ridiculously easy to play compared to my DK. With the DK you have to manage your resources very carefully or you're dead, the Templar has so many self heals and very high DPS compared to my DK.
When I hit level 38 went into Scourge and killed some v16's with my gsus beam, wow... now I have it, it should not be nerfed, in no way is it OP

If you think stam dk hard maybe stick to tetris.

Where do they say they think stam DK is hard?, They just said Templar is easy compared to there DK (big difference).

Mag Templar is super easy to play, stam DK is easy (especially if you use WB). Mag DK is so much harder skill wise to play than those 2 (at least for me), Mag Templar has the heals and jabs to use in tight places when the zerg arrives, Stam DK you can dodge and use shuffle to keep the zerg away for a bit along with rally and vigor for big heals.
Mag DK you basically hope they all jump you at the same time so you can use deep breath and get a big heal back, as well as juggle your DOTs all while dodging WB spam, I'm not saying it's impossible it's just so much harder than the ones above.

Forestd16b14_ESO · April 2016

Hmm another thread saying how every one just needs to "L2P" and how NBs and sorcs don't need nerfed and how DKs and templars don't need buffed.

FriedEggSandwich · April 2016

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Hmm another thread saying how every one just needs to "L2P" and how NBs and sorcs don't need nerfed and how DKs and templars don't need buffed.

We're all learning to play. Stamina dks and magicka templars don't need buffing. Magicka dks and stamina templars might need buffing, but stamina templars can be very strong when played well. The most single target damage I've taken in the shortest amount of time this patch came from a stamplar, but probably could just as easily have come from a stam dk or nb. NBs and sorcs don't need class nerfs.

KILLu4aCORONA · April 2016

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

NBs and sorcs don't need class nerfs.

"Rage, rage against the dying of the light"

Ariades_swe · April 2016

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Wreuntzylla · April 2016

I thought troll threads were forbidden.

Kas · April 2016

coolermh wrote: »

If played correctly stamina dk and magika temp are by far the most versatile and likely the strongest pvp chars. Why do people complain about sorcs and nightblades so much?

because they aren't ("by far the most versatile and likely the strongest pvp chars").
stam dk's make awesome duel chars and decent 1 v X'ers.
magicka templars can do many things (heal, groups up, solo, 1vX, DD, tank/bubble, etc)

still, both lack the ability to choose fights (streak and cloak/shadow image used to be more extreme but still are unmatched by dk/tp stuff). further, DKs are actually not too easy to play (unless you're happy with what WB spam gives you, i.e. 1v1 kill most scrubs but die in 1vX and lose against every serious 1v1 player) and TPs excell at none of the many things (maybe except heal) they do decently.

all clases are useful in groups and make many AP there. yet, sorcs and NBs just have a much easier time making as many AP by solo'ing

Forestd16b14_ESO · April 2016

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Hmm another thread saying how every one just needs to "L2P" and how NBs and sorcs don't need nerfed and how DKs and templars don't need buffed.

We're all learning to play. Stamina dks and magicka templars don't need buffing. Magicka dks and stamina templars might need buffing, but stamina templars can be very strong when played well. The most single target damage I've taken in the shortest amount of time this patch came from a stamplar, but probably could just as easily have come from a stam dk or nb. NBs and sorcs don't need class nerfs.

No sorry no none of this magicka stamina bull the classes in general need buffed. DKs are supposed to be tanks ? Well half the skills only work when using a DK skill and there are only 2 stamina skills. Templars are supposed to be healers ? Hey their skills only heal 1 or 2 allies now.

Both classes stamina, magicka, what ever need buffed.

Lexxypwns · April 2016

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Hmm another thread saying how every one just needs to "L2P" and how NBs and sorcs don't need nerfed and how DKs and templars don't need buffed.

We're all learning to play. Stamina dks and magicka templars don't need buffing. Magicka dks and stamina templars might need buffing, but stamina templars can be very strong when played well. The most single target damage I've taken in the shortest amount of time this patch came from a stamplar, but probably could just as easily have come from a stam dk or nb. NBs and sorcs don't need class nerfs.

No sorry no none of this magicka stamina bull the classes in general need buffed. DKs are supposed to be tanks ? Well half the skills only work when using a DK skill and there are only 2 stamina skills. Templars are supposed to be healers ? Hey their skills only heal 1 or 2 allies now.

Both classes stamina, magicka, what ever need buffed.

No, just... no

Stamplar is by far the best stamina build in game currently, the combination of shuffle, a cheap, class based purge ability, and access to major mending is just absurdly strong. The only thing missing is a source of major brutality that isn't tied to 2h, however, since their best single target damage is also an aoe, there's no lack of aoe using 2h. Stamplar needs absolutely 0 buffs, its probably the third strongest build in the game right now, behind mag sorc and magblade.

Stam DK is also very, very, strong. Again, access to major mending, for a stamina build, is absolutely amazing and allows vigor/rally heals to eliminate most pressure, with igneous+rally burst heal they can, through skillful play, outheal most incoming damage. They could use a spammable stam based dps ability (particularly on consoles where la-ransack-bash automatically engages block and wrecks your regen) so that they aren't pigeon-holed into using wrecking blow. Dat leap doe.

Magplar is in a good place, currently, but could use at least 1 reliable damage ability that's not a channel and a source of major expedition (fixing mist form would fix this issue), but they currently have the hardest hitting ability in pvp(dark flare) and outstanding utility.

Mag DK... oh how I miss the days of mag DK being competitive. While you can make some effective builds using mag DK, they are, by far, the weakest class in the game (sorry, stam sorcs, its true), chains not working well, lack of a reliable, on demand heal, and whip hitting like a wet noodle are just part of the problem. With ulti gen being trashed since 1.6 DK are missing out on some of their best sustain passives, forcing them to sacrifice damage that they can't afford to sacrifice or sustain, which makes them incredibly underpowered in outnumbered situations, even against the puggiest of pugs, puts them in an unfortunate state that shouldn't be allowed to continue.

Stam sorc, which hasn't been mentioned enough in this thread, is closely comparable to mag DK. Lack of class based burst, no good ultimates, and a lack of utility leave them in a bad position. Their only saving grace is mobility, which, in outnumbered situations, gives you some chance of los'ing long enough to burst individuals down. I think, making streak not increase in cost when used offensively (if targets are hit, it doesn't make the next cast increase in cost) and giving them an effective class damage ability(or heal, even) would mostly fix this class.

Justice31st · April 2016

outsideworld76 wrote: »

I just rolled a Templar this week and leveled it to vetran with the cake. I find the Templar ridiculously easy to play compared to my DK. With the DK you have to manage your resources very carefully or you're dead, the Templar has so many self heals and very high DPS compared to my DK.
When I hit level 38 went into Scourge and killed some v16's with my gsus beam, wow... now I have it, it should not be nerfed, in no way is it OP

Lol...

caeliusstarbreaker · April 2016

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Hmm another thread saying how every one just needs to "L2P" and how NBs and sorcs don't need nerfed and how DKs and templars don't need buffed.

We're all learning to play. Stamina dks and magicka templars don't need buffing. Magicka dks and stamina templars might need buffing, but stamina templars can be very strong when played well. The most single target damage I've taken in the shortest amount of time this patch came from a stamplar, but probably could just as easily have come from a stam dk or nb. NBs and sorcs don't need class nerfs.

No sorry no none of this magicka stamina bull the classes in general need buffed. DKs are supposed to be tanks ? Well half the skills only work when using a DK skill and there are only 2 stamina skills. Templars are supposed to be healers ? Hey their skills only heal 1 or 2 allies now.

Both classes stamina, magicka, what ever need buffed.

No, just... no

Stamplar is by far the best stamina build in game currently, the combination of shuffle, a cheap, class based purge ability, and access to major mending is just absurdly strong. The only thing missing is a source of major brutality that isn't tied to 2h, however, since their best single target damage is also an aoe, there's no lack of aoe using 2h. Stamplar needs absolutely 0 buffs, its probably the third strongest build in the game right now, behind mag sorc and magblade.

Stam DK is also very, very, strong. Again, access to major mending, for a stamina build, is absolutely amazing and allows vigor/rally heals to eliminate most pressure, with igneous+rally burst heal they can, through skillful play, outheal most incoming damage. They could use a spammable stam based dps ability (particularly on consoles where la-ransack-bash automatically engages block and wrecks your regen) so that they aren't pigeon-holed into using wrecking blow. Dat leap doe.

Magplar is in a good place, currently, but could use at least 1 reliable damage ability that's not a channel and a source of major expedition (fixing mist form would fix this issue), but they currently have the hardest hitting ability in pvp(dark flare) and outstanding utility.

Mag DK... oh how I miss the days of mag DK being competitive. While you can make some effective builds using mag DK, they are, by far, the weakest class in the game (sorry, stam sorcs, its true), chains not working well, lack of a reliable, on demand heal, and whip hitting like a wet noodle are just part of the problem. With ulti gen being trashed since 1.6 DK are missing out on some of their best sustain passives, forcing them to sacrifice damage that they can't afford to sacrifice or sustain, which makes them incredibly underpowered in outnumbered situations, even against the puggiest of pugs, puts them in an unfortunate state that shouldn't be allowed to continue.

Stam sorc, which hasn't been mentioned enough in this thread, is closely comparable to mag DK. Lack of class based burst, no good ultimates, and a lack of utility leave them in a bad position. Their only saving grace is mobility, which, in outnumbered situations, gives you some chance of los'ing long enough to burst individuals down. I think, making streak not increase in cost when used offensively (if targets are hit, it doesn't make the next cast increase in cost) and giving them an effective class damage ability(or heal, even) would mostly fix this class.

I mean... Given the actual damage you do on all jabs not on the "enemy closest to you" jabs aoe dmg is pretty lackluster. Not to mention if players are too close together the game doesn't know what to do so you don't get the 140% dmg bonus applied to either. So I wouldn't really say it's worthwhile as an aoe standpoint. In my opinion, it was a bit better off when it had the CC at the end.

That being said, amongst the stam builds in the current patch, as well as across all builds, it works quite well, major mending/ability to purge yourself being the key

caeliusstarbreaker · April 2016

Added: (since my edit button won't work in my phone) jabs works so nicely, mostly attributed to it's synergy with wrecking blow. Sweeps can pull similar dps numbers.

Burning_Talons · April 2016

You main a Sorc....Opinion invalid

Redn3ck · April 2016

The old stun on sweeps and jabs wasn't long enough to really do anything good imho, a 1.5-2 second stuns would have been great. I personally like the snare over the CC, as a Magpalr I have many other CC options (toppling charge, javelin) to use. A major expidition would be nice though