More PvE nerfs to help PvP, which don't help anything in PvP...

dimensional · April 2016

lol @ complaining about dying as a squishy sorc without having 20 second damage shields and then immediately using "L2P" as an excuse for people who don't want to find a way around them. Couldn't write comedy funnier than that.

greylox · April 2016

dimensional wrote: »

As a stam nightblade, I can't always spam cloak and I have no damage shield or any other damage mitigation yet I've never complained. Sorcs still have more defense than me and I still don't give a damn.

Exactly, it's a great way of spamming yourself out of the *** which doesn't even require a 2 second duration. What the hell are people doing if they are running around with a shield not getting damaged for more than 10 seconds other than crapping themselves about getting jumped...in which case you'd still end up spamming it.

For pets and PvE just make sure you renew, yeah it'll take more magicka but that doesn't require multiple threads of maoning.

Decado · April 2016

dimensional wrote: »

As a stam nightblade, I can't always spam cloak and I have no damage shield or any other damage mitigation yet I've never complained. Sorcs still have more defense than me and I still don't give a damn.

What utter crap,

Vigor then dodge roll you cannot be hit and you heal up while you can't be touched,

No mitigation my ass

dimensional · April 2016

Decado wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

As a stam nightblade, I can't always spam cloak and I have no damage shield or any other damage mitigation yet I've never complained. Sorcs still have more defense than me and I still don't give a damn.

What utter crap,

Vigor then dodge roll you cannot be hit and you heal up while you can't be touched,

No mitigation my ass

Dodge roll doesn't stop everything, vigor heals over time. Not even close to the same amount of mitigation. Oh yeah and it the dodge roll + vigor both take the same resource whereas to use a shield you're just using one ability and not using nearly the same amount of resources. Also, vigor doesn't stop you from being crit burst like shield stacking does. Just some of the many reasons your comment is trash.

greylox · April 2016

I played smokes as a stam sorc for a few months and coming from that to mag sorc again was like taking a holiday...mag sorc's don't know how good we've got it if you've ever tried stam. They've got 1001 reasons to moan, we haven't.

Baconlad · April 2016

The sorc shield change is a good change...there seems to be an ongoing effort to make defense an active role in combat as opposed to a passive long lasting brainless role. For example, pre DB, a sorc has to pop two different shields, and can begin DPS , sorc can DPS untill sorcs shields get busted down and he must pop healing ward, then he can reapply other shields and continue to DPS without much fear of shield dropping for a decent amount of time. No other class can do this or needs to, NBs in defensive combat cast cloak, they cannot DPS while in cloak, they must drop cloak and DPS. Templars must stop DPS to heal, DKs have to cast their small shield and healing ward and DK reflect wings. Stamina build have to dodge roll and block...

Decado · April 2016

dimensional wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

As a stam nightblade, I can't always spam cloak and I have no damage shield or any other damage mitigation yet I've never complained. Sorcs still have more defense than me and I still don't give a damn.

What utter crap,

Vigor then dodge roll you cannot be hit and you heal up while you can't be touched,

No mitigation my ass

Dodge roll doesn't stop everything, vigor heals over time. Not even close to the same amount of mitigation. Oh yeah and it the dodge roll + vigor both take the same resource whereas to use a shield you're just using one ability and not using nearly the same amount of resources. Also, vigor doesn't stop you from being crit burst like shield stacking does. Just some of the many reasons your comment is trash.

Dodge Roll and vigor is a very very powerful
Combo, it's Insanely hard to kill anyone who's doing that until they run out of stamina, which takes a long time to happen if your foolish enough to keep chasing them down, keep telling yourself otherwise it's ok, hardened ward is a *** 10k shield that survives one wrecking blow,

Oh and last time I checked this thread was about how the nerf effects PvE

dimensional · April 2016

Decado wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

As a stam nightblade, I can't always spam cloak and I have no damage shield or any other damage mitigation yet I've never complained. Sorcs still have more defense than me and I still don't give a damn.

What utter crap,

Vigor then dodge roll you cannot be hit and you heal up while you can't be touched,

No mitigation my ass

Dodge roll doesn't stop everything, vigor heals over time. Not even close to the same amount of mitigation. Oh yeah and it the dodge roll + vigor both take the same resource whereas to use a shield you're just using one ability and not using nearly the same amount of resources. Also, vigor doesn't stop you from being crit burst like shield stacking does. Just some of the many reasons your comment is trash.

Dodge Roll and vigor is a very very powerful
Combo, it's Insanely hard to kill anyone who's doing that until they run out of stamina, which takes a long time to happen if your foolish enough to keep chasing them down, keep telling yourself otherwise it's ok, hardened ward is a *** 10k shield that survives one wrecking blow,

Oh and last time I checked this thread was about how the nerf effects PvE

You keep telling yourself otherwise, dodge roll and vigor is nowhere near the amount of mitigation shield stacking (who the hell is talking about just using one shield?) gives.

Decado · April 2016

dimensional wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

As a stam nightblade, I can't always spam cloak and I have no damage shield or any other damage mitigation yet I've never complained. Sorcs still have more defense than me and I still don't give a damn.

What utter crap,

Vigor then dodge roll you cannot be hit and you heal up while you can't be touched,

No mitigation my ass

Dodge roll doesn't stop everything, vigor heals over time. Not even close to the same amount of mitigation. Oh yeah and it the dodge roll + vigor both take the same resource whereas to use a shield you're just using one ability and not using nearly the same amount of resources. Also, vigor doesn't stop you from being crit burst like shield stacking does. Just some of the many reasons your comment is trash.

Dodge Roll and vigor is a very very powerful
Combo, it's Insanely hard to kill anyone who's doing that until they run out of stamina, which takes a long time to happen if your foolish enough to keep chasing them down, keep telling yourself otherwise it's ok, hardened ward is a *** 10k shield that survives one wrecking blow,

Oh and last time I checked this thread was about how the nerf effects PvE

You keep telling yourself otherwise, dodge roll and vigor is nowhere near the amount of mitigation shield stacking (who the hell is talking about just using one shield?) gives.

Again this is supposed to be about the nerf in PvE which I assume your not talking about since nobody shield stacks on PvE, and if your talking about shield stacking hardened ward isn't the problem, having multiple shields is, so instead of nerfing the shield which negatively impacts another part of the game, how about finding another way to solve the problem?

People always mix up hardened ward being the problem when its multiple shields,

dimensional · April 2016

None of my comments were about PvE, I know that. And I know what this thread is about. It's not my fault you didn't read who I was replying to (if you did you would have realized they were talking about PvP as well).

OGLezard · April 2016

Waffennacht wrote: »

It kinda hurts solo sorcs, though honestly I cast hardened all the time, finally my playstyle is validated

What I may do is actually shield stack via hardened one bar, annulment another. That way, when i switch bars, there will always be a small window of 20k ward for all damage up.

Quite honestly l only see the Fotm YoloSorc (that same build EVERYONE else runs, healing ward, hardened, mines, streak, annulment back bar, curse, frag, det, wrath, surge type front bar) being effected.

I always hated that build

Please don't lump me in with those trash sorcs. No creativity, no passion, just blind following of a boring build. I like being creative and watching it work in pvp. Does it always win? No. Does it make those silly sorcs who use that build mad when they can't kill me and a big group comes up and wipes them, yes. Proceed to hate tells from them about "trash player needs big group to kill me" blah blah blah, meanwhile they forget they couldn't even kill me......

Moral of the story, don't capitalize everyone or say everyone because now you know one who DOESN'T run that crap mindless build

Oreyn_Bearclaw · April 2016

magnusthorek wrote: »

The PvP community is the responsible for this huge sorcerer nerf.

Compare the DPS with an unshielded Nightblade is ridiculous because the vast majority of Nightblades don't use staves, which is the weakest weapon in the game. Magicka Nightblade are constanly healing themselves and stamina Nightblades achieve such high DPS that enemies die much faster than they can get hit and even if they do get hit, they have Rally and Vigor as huge backup.

What Sorcerers have besides shield? Power Surge that heals a fraction of critical attacks only? Meh... Pet healing? Again, a fraction of our maximum health.

35-40k DPS Sorcerer... Do you honestly believe that? And don't even come rubbing Overload again. Who uses Overload in a puny mob to get such false-positive? There is NO dungeon/trial boss against which a Sorcerer can go further than 20k!

You think is that easy play as squishy sorcerer without shields? You think it's just a matter to watch your feet for AoE circles? Can you ensure that those circles will appear 100% of the time? Or they can, "occasionally" (to play nice) not appear like SEVERAL visual issues presented by Maw of the Lorkhaj?

You, PvP'ers were so affraid of an already super-nerfed ability (50% reduction) and you cried so loud because of your own L2P issue (yeah, now it's my turn) that ZO$ listened to you and screwed even more the weakest class in the game.

And take your argument of sorcerer flawless VMA and plant it where the sun doesn't shine

It's hard to take the rest of what you say seriously with comments like that. Good sorcs pull 30k plus without overload all the time, and the ones doing it arent running shields (save maybe the last boss of VMOL). That statement is ridiculous.

Silver_Strider · April 2016

I don't see the problem honestly.
I just use healing ward as opposed to Hardened Ward. It kept me alive whenever I needed it too but also offered a heal whereas Hardened Ward just gave me an extra window of time to ignore an attack or mechanic. You can clear vMA just like the majority of magic builds do and thru on a healing ward, it's not like it's the end of the world.

To me, this sounds more like "My easy mode is gone" whining.

Nebthet78 · April 2016

DEAR ZOS: Instead of making more unbalanced and idiotic changes to skills that you are never, ever going to be able to balance, and continually screwing over the PVE players and ultimitely nerfing things to try to fix it instead of buffing them; swallow your damn pride and do one of two things.

Either completely separate PVE and PVP skill lines so that changes to one do not affect the other.

Put soft caps back on for any one entering PVP. THIS would ultimately solve most unbalancing issues with the whiners from PVP.

I'm getting sick and tired of having my PVE experience screwed over and continually changed due to PVP balance fixes that are never ever really fixed.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · May 2016

magnusthorek wrote: »

There is NO dungeon/trial boss against which a Sorcerer can go further than 20k!

Saw a sorc pull 39K on the second boss of VMOL, without overload. I dusted mine off last week and was routinely pulling 30k without overload on ICP bosses, and I play sorc like once a week at most for a quick VMA run. LMAO at the notion that sorcs cant pull 20k. Haha

kuro-dono · May 2016

Pallio wrote: »

Great thanks, hope we get some more advise from people who hate sorcs..

People that actually play sorcs know this is the most annoying nerf they could have come up with to appease the pvp crowd, bar swapping every 6 sec. is rediculous, definitely not going to play that way. Looking at other characters that will have viability and not being rediculous to play.. really hate bar swapping a million times to get through VMA... will have to figure out which class I want to run it on without cramping my fingers.

dont worry, my stamina templar cant clean even second level with normal gear.

syko809 · May 2016

Van_0S wrote: »

Pallio wrote: »

Who tests this stuff, why do we always get nerfs that impact PvE more than PvP, based on PvP complaints.. i.e. Sorc Shields, nerf hardly changes anything in PvP, but makes playing in PvE rediculous.... wish someone at ZOS actually played this game :-(

What are you saying?!
You can still apply shield stacking.

Its not removed from game, only the duration is limited that is still good for PvE because the bosses are brainless, scripted and you have to just learn their patterns by observing or from other sources like YouTube,Google,etc.

Are you serious, now we sorcs have to waste more magicka when we have a not so good healer, and the only way to play pve with sorcs and not die if you are a vamp is by having a great healer not a good healer a great healer

syko809 · May 2016

Destruent wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

i don't know where this is coming from. but it is wrong. every good sorc uses ward in PvE. you can't DPS when you get one shot.

My DK runs with 16.8k HP and doesn't get oneshotted. What am i doing wrong?

Because you are spamming your shields and every single one of your buffs

Destruent · May 2016

syko809 wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

i don't know where this is coming from. but it is wrong. every good sorc uses ward in PvE. you can't DPS when you get one shot.

My DK runs with 16.8k HP and doesn't get oneshotted. What am i doing wrong?

Because you are spamming your shields and every single one of your buffs

i don't use shields in PvE...shields are for healers/tanks, not for dps. Only buff on my bar is rearming trap...anything else is pure dps. If you need a shield either your movement or your healer/tank are bad. Only exception is vMoL (endboss) and vMSA...