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So Nightblades are the only ones who can avoid Meteor?
Sleep724
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Probably just another salty post lol but...
I just recently grinded out the mages skill line and so I can finally try out meteor. However much to my dismay when I try using it the first time against nightblades they can just cloak away and completely avoid getting hit by it. But its not ok to reflect it back anymore so I have to hold block, take the hit and aoe damage then roll dodge out of it..?
I just recently grinded out the mages skill line and so I can finally try out meteor. However much to my dismay when I try using it the first time against nightblades they can just cloak away and completely avoid getting hit by it. But its not ok to reflect it back anymore so I have to hold block, take the hit and aoe damage then roll dodge out of it..?
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Didaco✭✭✭✭?
I don't pvp much with my nb anymore but I always got fully hit by that damned rock every single time no matter what, afair.1 -
RebornV3x✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭you barely take any damage when you block it being able to cloak out of it dumb but with the way cloak works in this game it makes the Splinter Cell bad guys look good.Xbox One - NA GT: RebornV3x
I also play on PC from time to time but I just wanna be left alone on there so sorry.0 -
DRXHarbinger✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Can only be dodged now. Blocking you still take the hit. Cloak locks off but they can still get hit if close enough.PC Master Race
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Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »Can only be dodged now. Blocking you still take the hit. Cloak locks off but they can still get hit if close enough.
From my experience, it can not be dodged. Only blocked, the you can roll out of the residual AOE. If you roll before the impact you will take full unblocked damage, get CC-ed, and have to break free while standing in the AOE - the worst possible outcome.5 -
olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Its wierd tho, alot of other abilities (dark flare for example) will hit you even if you cloak. You can easily cloak meteor, but if someone hits you with aoe, say streak, it will draw you out and you wont have time to cloak again before it hits.
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AddictionX✭✭✭✭Yep thats what bothers me, while they can still cloak out of meteor i have to stand there and eat it and roll dodge afterwards.
If you can cloak out of it then it should still be reflectable.2 -
FriedEggSandwich✭✭✭✭✭
✭A sorc can hold block and streak on impact for an equally desirable effect. The cloak costs magicka. I don't really think it's an issue. I would rather see it be reflectable again.
Just out of interest what happens if a templar holds block for the impact and then puts down purifying ritual? I'm guessing the ground effect of meteor remains? Or does the ritual remove it?PC | EU0 -
Duiwel✭✭✭✭✭
✭OP your block practically negates all the damage but the AoE fallout...
Don't hate NB's, the reason reflect was taken out was because people were mostly trolling sorcs@Duiwel:Join ORDER OF SITHIS We're recruiting! PC EU"Dear Brother. I do not spread rumours. I create them..."1 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Contrary to what many will claim, Meteor is dodgeable. This skill is very difficult to dodge though compared to a skill like Wrecking Blow or Crystal Fragments. You have to dodge as soon as the Meteor is hovering 1in from the head of your character. Works every time unless there is more than a little lag (must block then) or if your enemy is smart enough to CC you before it hits.
Soundwise, these are the steps:
1) You here a deep rumble similar to that of a far off explosion, and white runes appear to circle your character.
2) There is a very short period of silence. This is when you should decide whether to block or dodge. You might start blocking now.
3) A swoosh sound plays as the Meteor speeds down onto your screen, almost immediately impacting the floor beneath you. When the Meteor does this (specifically right above your character's head) it is time to dodge roll it.
4) Crash of a Meteor hitting the floor. If blocked, you will take some damage and need to escape the AoE ASAP. If dodged, you are free from it and the enemy wasted their Ultimate. If laggy, you will dodge roll away from the AoE but face the unmitigated damage and CC+snare.
Keep in mind that as a Magicka build you usually don't have the Stamina to dodge roll anyway so you need to block it and then use whatever is available to get away from the AoE. Stamina builds can dodge roll this much easier.
Hope I helped a bit
Notes on how Magicka classes easily survive Meteors:
Mag DK --> Block + Healing Ward + Chains/Efficient Purge/walk away
Mag Sorc --> Block + Bolt Escape + Conjured Ward/Healing Ward
Mag NB --> Block + Shadow Image + Healing Ward OR Block + Double Take/Debilitate + Healing Ward + walk out OR Cloak at the right time
Mag Templar --> Block + Cleansing Ritual + BoL/Healing Ward + walk out
PRO TIP: Metors are much more reliably dodged, both in and out of lag, if you are moving in one direction (best with Major Expedition) and dodge roll in that same direction. Weird but true in my experiences!
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Mashille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭@Doncellius
Well, you claim wrecking blow is easy to dodge yet most of the time in PvP I still get hit by it even if I'm in the middle of the dodging animation.House Baratheon: 'Ours Is The Fury'0 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
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Well, you claim wrecking blow is easy to dodge yet most of the time in PvP I still get hit by it even if I'm in the middle of the dodging animation.
You're likely experiencing this the most in laggy scenarios. Either that, or bad luck/timing. Remember you are playing ESO, so there is no skill which doesn't function buggy in one way or another.
Personally I find the CC from Wrecking Blow to be troublesome yet dodge rolling tends to usually not be too bad.
Wrecking Blow may not have been the best example for "easy to dodge roll skills". Try not to forget it can sometimes be walked around as well though!Edited by Vaoh on 5 April 2016 07:530 -
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Well, you claim wrecking blow is easy to dodge yet most of the time in PvP I still get hit by it even if I'm in the middle of the dodging animation.
Facts! I had this happen to me early yesterday morning in Scourge PS4 NA. I had a Dragonknight spamming Wrecking Blow on me, and in mid-dodge roll I'd just go flying up to the sky. And as any PVP'er will tell you, it's pretty much GG once your body is given to the sky and you have no damage shields active. >_<0 -
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✭@Doncellius
Well, you claim wrecking blow is easy to dodge yet most of the time in PvP I still get hit by it even if I'm in the middle of the dodging animation.
L2P issue, you can dodge it without dodge ROLLING... there are many forms of dodge, practise with friends or watch videos if you don't know how to do it
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Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@keybaud As a side note, was that small bit of critique you wrote regarding a single sentence in my post honestly the one thing you took away from it?
Since you can't dodge Wrecking Blow the rest of my write-up based on helping people dodge Meteor is now irrelevant.... Kinda rude tbhEdited by Vaoh on 5 April 2016 08:060 -
Zheg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I've had multiple NB cloak it on me.
Another issue (and this pertains to all ults I think) is that there is a bug that will steal your ultimate upon cast but not actually fire off the skill. It's one of the dozens of bugs in an ongoing list on the Alliance War section of the forums. Who needs those fixed though? In two more months we get DB and even MORE bugs! Yay! Let's eat cake to celebrate :Trollface:0 -
Wollust✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes, a well timed cloak will result in a missed meteor. The meteor will then 'hit' the floor but not leave a mark or anything.Susano'o
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bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yup, meteor counts as a dot. But, if you cloak too soon and come out it will still git you. Remember it merely suppress the dot for the duration. So if you 7ncloak before it hits, you will still get hit. Realistically, yoh use the same tactic against a nb as you would for any person blocking. Meteor and cc combo still results in the same effect that meteor against a blocking target would. Also, I have yet to actually test it myself, bUT rumor has it that the one hand and shield that absorbs projectiles (not reflect) works with it. 8 don't see why it wouldnt. So there is an option our there for all players. Even mag users who decide to use sword and board can use it for meteo purposes. Also, what about the Templar bubble? Another thing I haven't tested, but can't you purge meteor since it is a dot? That would be another direction to take.0 -
timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭My Stam DK alt was benched after this change.Edited by timidobserver on 5 April 2016 15:14V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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✭✭InBedWithMySelf wrote: »Changing it to be unreflectable is so unbelievably stupid
How can one reflect something that is coming from the sky I can see magical shields damping the damage of it but thats it.
Can't reflect something that is coming at you from above and realistically you really would not see it coming. Unless you look up.
I think mist form is able to decrease a lot of the damage from it if used but you have to be a vampire in order for that to work.
Besides Meteor is not easy to get.
It takes a lot of lore books to even get the ability.
I still have not unlocked it on any character I imagine most would not have it unlocked unless they truly went out to farm for it.
I think nightblades should not be able to avoid the damage of meteor only negate it, but still it takes a hit. Maybe when it is targeting the ground it takes you out of stealth.
Mist form should be the only ability to basically make one immune to meteor since you basically mist you may be hit but the meteor is only going to go through you to the ground, you won't really be hurt much by it.
Shadow cloak may negate it for nightblades because they are turned some what into shadows when they go invisible temporary. magicka shields should be able to negate the damage as well, but not normal blocking it should bypass that completely.Edited by Thevampirenight on 5 April 2016 15:21PC NA
Please add Fangs to Vampires.0 -
Van_0S✭✭✭✭✭OP, no class or class skills can avoid meteor but there is trick to reduce the damage from it.0 -
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✭YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »OP, no class or class skills can avoid meteor but there is trick to reduce the damage from it.
That's wrong. Nb can use cloak.0 -
Van_0S✭✭✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »OP, no class or class skills can avoid meteor but there is trick to reduce the damage from it.
That's wrong. Nb can use cloak.
Cloak suppress the dot DMG but doesn't avoid it....
The trick is block+healing ward when hit then cloak+healing ward.
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r.jan_emailb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »OP, no class or class skills can avoid meteor but there is trick to reduce the damage from it.
That's wrong. Nb can use cloak.
Cloak suppress the dot DMG but doesn't avoid it....
The trick is block+healing ward when hit then cloak+healing ward.
No, you can cloak it all. No damage, no dot, no cc.Lairgren | DC Dragonknight - August Palatine
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bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »OP, no class or class skills can avoid meteor but there is trick to reduce the damage from it.
That's wrong. Nb can use cloak.
Cloak suppress the dot DMG but doesn't avoid it....
The trick is block+healing ward when hit then cloak+healing ward.
you are right. IF you stay cloacked for the duration of meteor, which is not long, then you will avoid the damage because you suppressed it while in cloak for the duration. if you uncloak prematurely, then you will get hit.0 -
I think meteor should stay so basically I hit a nb with it nd he was cloaked so it was if it missed him completely..... the aoe damage should stay nd it should atleast bring them out of cloak anyone in the target area should get damaged by it period. Rediculous how it can completely get negated if they stealth at the right time.
If that's the case allow eclipse nd reflective scale to reflect it or atleast absorb the damage so it's fair.0 -
The reason I know he avoided it was because the combat text said missed (so he took absolutely no damage from it)0
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✭Always thought "Ultimates" and "Finishers" make for bad PvP design.. unless you're making the next Killer Instinct game.
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✭flawless4812 wrote: »I think meteor should stay so basically I hit a nb with it nd he was cloaked so it was if it missed him completely..... the aoe damage should stay nd it should atleast bring them out of cloak anyone in the target area should get damaged by it period. Rediculous how it can completely get negated if they stealth at the right time.
If that's the case allow eclipse nd reflective scale to reflect it or atleast absorb the damage so it's fair.
typically the aoe damage will still occur. Half the time it doesnt show while at other times it does seem to be completely negated. In my eperience, more often than not the aoe will still land whether it shows or not is another story. That said, a good nb will jump cloak to avoid the aoe and the meteor.0
