Anybody else tired of the PVP complaining

WarLord2905 · February 2016

Am i the only one on here that is trying to get build ideas and become better in PVP but all I can find is people complaining that skills, passives and classes need nerfing so they can stay alive with their own builds. There must be a million posts about nerfing nighblades, camo hunter kills my vampire, sorcs stacking armor, wrecking blow spam cry, cry cry. I play a magicka sorc, stam nightblade, magika templar healer and they all have their strengths and weaknesses in PVP. IMO most cases of people crying about getting one shot or spammed with a particular skill think they should be good at everything such as Tanking, DPS and Self Healing and if they arent its because the game is broken. I love this game because it is challenging and keeps you trying different things...... and its a game, you are going to be ganked, spammed, zerged, one shotted etc, thats what makes it fun and interesting and keeps you from getting bored with it.

wharf · February 2016

If no one complains none of the problems that need fixing will be taken care of. I'm tired of people complaining about complaining though.

Amica · February 2016

First, well done on the self pat on the back.
1 Zos claim at launch and even now is "play the way you like" Not everyone roll the same broken ass mechanics build.
2 no-one should be able to be one shot... it's a stupid mechanic bug and poor coding.
3, Agree on the challenge. If your thing is working out ways around said mechanics bugs and server lag.

And lastly, if zos and i really mean "IF" they got the new patch right and animations get priority during combat. A lot of the issues you claim are acceptable in today's mmo genre, should be dealt with. But it will highlight the abilities that need work.

Mojmir · February 2016

mike86 wrote: »

Am i the only one on here that is trying to get build ideas and become better in PVP but all I can find is people complaining that skills, passives and classes need nerfing so they can stay alive with their own builds. There must be a million posts about nerfing nighblades, camo hunter kills my vampire, sorcs stacking armor, wrecking blow spam cry, cry cry. I play a magicka sorc, stam nightblade, magika templar healer and they all have their strengths and weaknesses in PVP. IMO most cases of people crying about getting one shot or spammed with a particular skill think they should be good at everything such as Tanking, DPS and Self Healing and if they arent its because the game is broken. I love this game because it is challenging and keeps you trying different things...... and its a game, you are going to be ganked, spammed, zerged, one shotted etc, thats what makes it fun and interesting and keeps you from getting bored with it.

lol you just started a complaint thread though

WarLord2905 · February 2016

Mojmir wrote: »

mike86 wrote: »

Am i the only one on here that is trying to get build ideas and become better in PVP but all I can find is people complaining that skills, passives and classes need nerfing so they can stay alive with their own builds. There must be a million posts about nerfing nighblades, camo hunter kills my vampire, sorcs stacking armor, wrecking blow spam cry, cry cry. I play a magicka sorc, stam nightblade, magika templar healer and they all have their strengths and weaknesses in PVP. IMO most cases of people crying about getting one shot or spammed with a particular skill think they should be good at everything such as Tanking, DPS and Self Healing and if they arent its because the game is broken. I love this game because it is challenging and keeps you trying different things...... and its a game, you are going to be ganked, spammed, zerged, one shotted etc, thats what makes it fun and interesting and keeps you from getting bored with it.

lol you just started a complaint thread though

Yeah I did, but just needed to rant after trying to get some useful information but couldnt find anything through the ''every class needs nerfing because I die" posts. Back to Youtube with Deltia and Sypher I think. Much more useful.

Takes-No-Prisoner · February 2016

You could also PM people for advise too. There is plenty of build discussion here, but IMO the best way to focus on ones own build is to get into a 1v1 convo about it. Cause there is a lot of generalization out there, but not one type of advise works for everyone.

If anyone says WB is the answer I'll come gank you 1.0

imredneckson · February 2016

Just fix PvP already and people (good players) wont complain anymore

DKsUnite · February 2016

mike86 wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

mike86 wrote: »

Am i the only one on here that is trying to get build ideas and become better in PVP but all I can find is people complaining that skills, passives and classes need nerfing so they can stay alive with their own builds. There must be a million posts about nerfing nighblades, camo hunter kills my vampire, sorcs stacking armor, wrecking blow spam cry, cry cry. I play a magicka sorc, stam nightblade, magika templar healer and they all have their strengths and weaknesses in PVP. IMO most cases of people crying about getting one shot or spammed with a particular skill think they should be good at everything such as Tanking, DPS and Self Healing and if they arent its because the game is broken. I love this game because it is challenging and keeps you trying different things...... and its a game, you are going to be ganked, spammed, zerged, one shotted etc, thats what makes it fun and interesting and keeps you from getting bored with it.

lol you just started a complaint thread though

.....Back to Youtube with Deltia ....

for pvp builds? that's your problem right there lol

WarLord2905 · February 2016

Amica wrote: »

First, well done on the self pat on the back.
1 Zos claim at launch and even now is "play the way you like" Not everyone roll the same broken ass mechanics build.
2 no-one should be able to be one shot... it's a stupid mechanic bug and poor coding.
3, Agree on the challenge. If your thing is working out ways around said mechanics bugs and server lag.

And lastly, if zos and i really mean "IF" they got the new patch right and animations get priority during combat. A lot of the issues you claim are acceptable in today's mmo genre, should be dealt with. But it will highlight the abilities that need work.

Unsure how this was interpreted as a self pat on the back??

WarLord2905 · February 2016

DKsUnite wrote: »

mike86 wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

mike86 wrote: »

Am i the only one on here that is trying to get build ideas and become better in PVP but all I can find is people complaining that skills, passives and classes need nerfing so they can stay alive with their own builds. There must be a million posts about nerfing nighblades, camo hunter kills my vampire, sorcs stacking armor, wrecking blow spam cry, cry cry. I play a magicka sorc, stam nightblade, magika templar healer and they all have their strengths and weaknesses in PVP. IMO most cases of people crying about getting one shot or spammed with a particular skill think they should be good at everything such as Tanking, DPS and Self Healing and if they arent its because the game is broken. I love this game because it is challenging and keeps you trying different things...... and its a game, you are going to be ganked, spammed, zerged, one shotted etc, thats what makes it fun and interesting and keeps you from getting bored with it.

lol you just started a complaint thread though

.....Back to Youtube with Deltia ....

for pvp builds? that's your problem right there lol

I would have to agree with you on Deltia. He is good for PVE, Dungeons, Trials and general information. I like his play style aswell because it suits mine a lot more so I tend to get build ideas from him more than anywhere else. I am not trying to be the best PVP player on the planet, just want to be able to hold my own in PVP and have some fun. SypherPK is a PVP boss but his builds can be complicated sometimes and require a lot of skill to pull off consistantly, but still a good place to get ideas from.

davey1107 · February 2016

It just depends on what the complaint is, I guess. Camo hunters is being comp,aimed about because it's legitimately broken - it can be exploited to dramatically increase the odds of the best possible proc. That's a legitimate complaint, and ZOS needs to know so they can either fix the ability or change the description to match how it's manifesting.

But yes, other complaints get annoying. Monday morning is always the "I hate nightblade walk of shame".

coolermh · February 2016

Fix gap closers

aLi3nZ · February 2016

This forums does seem primarily focused on people complaining and making threads demanding either nerfs or new stuff tailored to their own playstyle.

If you want build ideas check out http://tamrielfoundry.com/forums/

Cathexis · February 2016

I am more tired of db zerg balls, proxy stacking, and gap closer mini stun exploiting.

Duiwel · February 2016

While I understand the necessity for the complaining posts ( they are needed to help with future patches ), lag, imbalance, skills that don't work as intended ect.

I think OP was trying to emphasise that he is annoyed by the fact that there are virtually no recent or not enough posts about actual PvP related matters. I assume he is looking to learn and using the forum as his source thereof.

So I can understand his request / post.

Both are needed and there should be balance I agree OP. However I do understand that we need to raise awareness on issues concerning PVP and other bugs for that matter.

Alucardo · February 2016

Lol I've seen more people complaining about PVPers complaining than actual PVPers complaining. Hahaha, well played sir.

NativeJoe · February 2016

I've siad it before, and I'll say it again. NEVER ASK ZOS FOR A NERF FOR ANY REASON> instead ask for your class to be brought up to par with xxxxxxxxx class. Once zos starts swinging the nerf hammer, they're like a toddler with a wiffle ball bat in a china store. You cannot stop the mayhem!

You may get that chameleon spell, but u may also get a 30% reduction to all your damaging skills x.x

Amica · February 2016

NativeJoe wrote: »

I've siad it before, and I'll say it again. NEVER ASK ZOS FOR A NERF FOR ANY REASON> instead ask for your class to be brought up to par with xxxxxxxxx class. Once zos starts swinging the nerf hammer, they're like a toddler with a wiffle ball bat in a china store. You cannot stop the mayhem!

You may get that chameleon spell, but u may also get a 30% reduction to all your damaging skills x.x

the wiffle ball bat in a china store made me lul hard.

SymbioteKing26 · February 2016

yeah its really annoying all the whining lol

HonourXL · February 2016

FIX LAG, SPRİNT BUG ( When you sprint a little bit your character stuck at sprint animation and you can do anything until you run out of stamina. literally anything. its always happening to me annoying af. )
and optimize game to do consoles. Frame rate is around 15-20 in pvp, sometimes much more lower. CONSOLES CANT HANDLE THE GAME. Now its even laggy af in dungeons and specially Maelstorm.
and the thing is they dont seems to be doing anything to fix anyting.

Strider_Roshin · February 2016

Dlentino wrote: »

FIX LAG, SPRİNT BUG ( When you sprint a little bit your character stuck at sprint animation and you can do anything until you run out of stamina. literally anything. its always happening to me annoying af. )
and optimize game to do consoles. Frame rate is around 15-20 in pvp, sometimes much more lower. CONSOLES CANT HANDLE THE GAME. Now its even laggy af in dungeons and specially Maelstorm.
and the thing is they dont seems to be doing anything to fix anyting.

Huh? As a player that has done the PC betas, the welcome back weekend, and then to console. I can tell you right now that the console runs much smoother than PC.

Hawco10 · February 2016

Only a few things bug me about the pvp side of things
1. One shot from Camo humter for 20k +
2. One shot from Focused aim for about the same
3. Wrecking blow seems to be able to reach out way beyond caltrops range
4. Crystal frags for around 18k +

Vyle_Byte · February 2016

I wont get into the actual complaining part that you mention, because we have the right to complain about a broken ass game. Some of it may be a bit overboard but there are MANY valid complaints that need to be addressed.

If you are looking for builds, your best bet is to scour the internet, not these forums. Too much to weed through here, 2 years of forum posts and things change so often it may be hard to find what you are looking for.

SneaK · February 2016

I have found it helpful to create a post/thread with specifics on what you are looking for, despite all the wankers and whiners, there are a ton of theorycrafters on these forums that have some great information. It's actually my favorite thing about this game..

Millerman34n · February 2016

I would love the same thing but unfouhnabtly their is only like 4 viable builds atm, due to imbalances!

Cody · February 2016

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

You could also PM people for advise too. There is plenty of build discussion here, but IMO the best way to focus on ones own build is to get into a 1v1 convo about it. Cause there is a lot of generalization out there, but not one type of advise works for everyone.

If anyone says WB is the answer I'll come gank you

WB is the answer:D

I will be in Azura's star after maxing out my vamp skilline and finishing wrothgar, we do glorious gank filled battle there when the time comes.

dodgehopper_ESO · February 2016

WarLord2905 wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

mike86 wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

mike86 wrote: »

Am i the only one on here that is trying to get build ideas and become better in PVP but all I can find is people complaining that skills, passives and classes need nerfing so they can stay alive with their own builds. There must be a million posts about nerfing nighblades, camo hunter kills my vampire, sorcs stacking armor, wrecking blow spam cry, cry cry. I play a magicka sorc, stam nightblade, magika templar healer and they all have their strengths and weaknesses in PVP. IMO most cases of people crying about getting one shot or spammed with a particular skill think they should be good at everything such as Tanking, DPS and Self Healing and if they arent its because the game is broken. I love this game because it is challenging and keeps you trying different things...... and its a game, you are going to be ganked, spammed, zerged, one shotted etc, thats what makes it fun and interesting and keeps you from getting bored with it.

lol you just started a complaint thread though

.....Back to Youtube with Deltia ....

for pvp builds? that's your problem right there lol

I would have to agree with you on Deltia. He is good for PVE, Dungeons, Trials and general information. I like his play style aswell because it suits mine a lot more so I tend to get build ideas from him more than anywhere else. I am not trying to be the best PVP player on the planet, just want to be able to hold my own in PVP and have some fun. SypherPK is a PVP boss but his builds can be complicated sometimes and require a lot of skill to pull off consistantly, but still a good place to get ideas from.

Lets be fair to @Deltia though. I don't avidly watch people's gameplay videos, if I have time for that, it means I have time to actually play and I'd rather be doing that. Even so, I've seen enough of what Deltia does and he scrimmages with Sypher so I really wouldn't speak poorly of everything Deltia says here. You can find good pvp directly from Sypher on things that Deltia does. I really think for pvp the best thing to do is to learn how the skills work yourself. A lot of things that worked 3 months ago don't work the same now. Its a practice, that needs changing to adapt to changing problems. Refine your combinations and work on those. Its worth picking up the pvp informational gems from as many people as you can and getting out there and pvp-ing. That's what having a guild is for. Go out there and play, don't sit on forums and watch videos all the time if you want to get good. Study what is already available to you first.

I'm not saying you won't get benefit out of watching people's pvp videos (including if you take some of your own), in many ways that is like playing football and watching football videos. The point I'm making is that you should train yourself in the fundamentals first. Read your tooltips, learn how the skills work through application (Try them all). Take time to think of ways to use a skill, even if it seems like garbage. Take time to think about what your enemy is doing, and how you can counter them.

As for PVP Complaining: I think there's a fair difference between nonsense complaining, and complaining about a balance problem that needs to be brought to the attention of the developers. I'm personally very worried about the nerfs to cleansing, which will really be a kick in the teeth to all Templars, but particularly Templar Healers.

leepalmer95 · February 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

WarLord2905 wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

mike86 wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

mike86 wrote: »

Am i the only one on here that is trying to get build ideas and become better in PVP but all I can find is people complaining that skills, passives and classes need nerfing so they can stay alive with their own builds. There must be a million posts about nerfing nighblades, camo hunter kills my vampire, sorcs stacking armor, wrecking blow spam cry, cry cry. I play a magicka sorc, stam nightblade, magika templar healer and they all have their strengths and weaknesses in PVP. IMO most cases of people crying about getting one shot or spammed with a particular skill think they should be good at everything such as Tanking, DPS and Self Healing and if they arent its because the game is broken. I love this game because it is challenging and keeps you trying different things...... and its a game, you are going to be ganked, spammed, zerged, one shotted etc, thats what makes it fun and interesting and keeps you from getting bored with it.

lol you just started a complaint thread though

.....Back to Youtube with Deltia ....

for pvp builds? that's your problem right there lol

I would have to agree with you on Deltia. He is good for PVE, Dungeons, Trials and general information. I like his play style aswell because it suits mine a lot more so I tend to get build ideas from him more than anywhere else. I am not trying to be the best PVP player on the planet, just want to be able to hold my own in PVP and have some fun. SypherPK is a PVP boss but his builds can be complicated sometimes and require a lot of skill to pull off consistantly, but still a good place to get ideas from.

Lets be fair to @Deltia though. I don't avidly watch people's gameplay videos, if I have time for that, it means I have time to actually play and I'd rather be doing that. Even so, I've seen enough of what Deltia does and he scrimmages with Sypher so I really wouldn't speak poorly of everything Deltia says here. You can find good pvp directly from Sypher on things that Deltia does. I really think for pvp the best thing to do is to learn how the skills work yourself. A lot of things that worked 3 months ago don't work the same now. Its a practice, that needs changing to adapt to changing problems. Refine your combinations and work on those. Its worth picking up the pvp informational gems from as many people as you can and getting out there and pvp-ing. That's what having a guild is for. Go out there and play, don't sit on forums and watch videos all the time if you want to get good. Study what is already available to you first.

I'm not saying you won't get benefit out of watching people's pvp videos (including if you take some of your own), in many ways that is like playing football and watching football videos. The point I'm making is that you should train yourself in the fundamentals first. Read your tooltips, learn how the skills work through application (Try them all). Take time to think of ways to use a skill, even if it seems like garbage. Take time to think about what your enemy is doing, and how you can counter them.

As for PVP Complaining: I think there's a fair difference between nonsense complaining, and complaining about a balance problem that needs to be brought to the attention of the developers. I'm personally very worried about the nerfs to cleansing, which will really be a kick in the teeth to all Templars, but particularly Templar Healers.

Which i'm still confused about, so many problem and the first words from zos is 'yeah where going to nerf cleansing'

hazey411 · February 2016

y complain about pvp whiners