Is WW Ult viable in pvp?

billywink3b14_ESO · January 2016

I'm wondering in 1v1 & 1vx if its viable only bc it stuns you while you transform right? So mid fight i don't see it working.. I guess you would just have to start a fight with it?

FriedEggSandwich · January 2016

It's very viable in pvp simply because of the damage they do and the utility they carry when transformed; fear, leap, heal. But mainly the damage. I always focus the ww cos they're dangerous to leave alive.

billywink3b14_ESO · January 2016

Cool I'm really interested in it but was wondering how it could work. I'm thinking I would need to change to WW first then start the fight...

FriedEggSandwich · January 2016

Never played one so hopefully someone else will chip in and tell you more. All the ww I see transform do so mid-fight. I imagine there might be some immunity while transforming, but it isn't a long transformation anyway. I have seen the damage they are capable of though and it's scary. Check out Lefty Lucy on YT for some ww advice from previous patches. If you want evidence of the damage check this vid out:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j7TQ6BppnRw

phillyproduct · January 2016

Just turning into ww fears everyone around you and if you faught a nb then you know how devastating the cc from fear is.

Ww is amazing especially if you have a high wep damage build on my tooltip the howl move does 18k damage plus 30%more to feared enemies

FriedEggSandwich · January 2016

Actually this one has more ww in it:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u_dacl2_K0k

Vid credit: @Alcast

billywink3b14_ESO · January 2016

Awesome, thank you for the insight

. I also had no idea that it feared anyone near you when you used it

aLi3nZ · January 2016

Yes, ww is good for pvp for Some builds. Howl of agony hits me in pvp for 12k damage sometimes. I also tend to focus on the ww in pvp. So I guess the risk is its like putting a big target on your back since you really stand out in a crowd. I had a 12v12 battle ep vs ad and the enemy ad had 3 in ww form. We got rolled.

Drakilian · January 2016

It can be pretty devastating, those howls hit ridiculously hard and those heals are amazing. Ulti cost is super high but one you're in werewolf form unless your opponent is specced for poison damage or has a dawn breaker ready, then you'll pretty much roll over them (unless you were already losing the fight and had little health left, at which point you've only earned yourself a few precious seconds).

Source- attacked a stamplar who transformed into a werewolf mid-jabs and killed me with 7k light attacks while I was stuck in fear.

billywink3b14_ESO · January 2016

Good to know, makes me excited to try it! Thank you!

caeliusstarbreaker · January 2016

Yes and no

leepalmer95 · January 2016

Careful with the howls though, vs a player that knows what he is doing your ww will just die.

Howl can be reflected with wings/ defensive posture, it's not nice have a 18k howl thrown back at you and then being stunned while the other guy is hitting you anyway.

Oh and watch out for dawnbreakers, you can't purge the dot... My sorc has a 15k on impact dawnbreaker of smiting, 17k dot for 5 seconds i think it is.

If that crits = good fight.

billywink3b14_ESO · January 2016

Good tips, ty

I had no idea about the reflection!! I am aware of fighters guild attacks though... that's for sure!

What level do you guys think the quest can be done?

Mojmir · January 2016

ive done the quest as low as lvl 20, heard of ppl doing it lower.

Hyssia · January 2016

It's very viable for PvP. Managed to complete the quest as a level 12 DK.

billywink3b14_ESO · January 2016

Awesome, thank you! I'll try to get in my teens before trying it out

Morozov · January 2016

my WW opener:
transform (fears), leap, fear, medium weave/howl till dead. fear if you need to, heal if you need to, toss in the infected claw dot ability for some added dps. If you are good, you can also get a 2hr LA axe bleed in there right before a transform for added dot damage.

I typically only run the WW ulti when I am in groups, you WILL GET TARGETED!!!! its easy for everyone to say, "KILL THE MAN-DOG!" and before you know it its GG. That and you stick out like a sore thumb.

in a 1v1 encounter the only thing you really need to watch out for is defensive posture and the DK's wings reflecting your howls back at you. I have been able to heal through dawnbreaker damage, but its tricky. Try and pay attention to when your ulti is about to run out. It sucks being locked into an animation transforming back to human while people are banging on you.

stam regen just slotting the ulti is really nice for a stam/wpn damage build, but you still have many other options for ulti that are just as good.

billywink3b14_ESO · January 2016

Morozov wrote: »

my WW opener:
transform (fears), leap, fear, medium weave/howl till dead. fear if you need to, heal if you need to, toss in the infected claw dot ability for some added dps. If you are good, you can also get a 2hr LA axe bleed in there right before a transform for added dot damage.

I typically only run the WW ulti when I am in groups, you WILL GET TARGETED!!!! its easy for everyone to say, "KILL THE MAN-DOG!" and before you know it its GG. That and you stick out like a sore thumb.

in a 1v1 encounter the only thing you really need to watch out for is defensive posture and the DK's wings reflecting your howls back at you. I have been able to heal through dawnbreaker damage, but its tricky. Try and pay attention to when your ulti is about to run out. It sucks being locked into an animation transforming back to human while people are banging on you.

stam regen just slotting the ulti is really nice for a stam/wpn damage build, but you still have many other options for ulti that are just as good.

Awesome thank you for the information and tips! I forgot when you transform out of WW you are also stunned for a little bit huh? That's quite unfortunate I feel like that would be almost a perma dead lol. I know there are many more and probably more effective ultimate's, especially being a nightblade, but I want to try it

! I rarely see it and could be fun hehe

CMurder435 · February 2016

I use wolf on my stamina dk and I think it's super effective. I only started primarily pvping a couple weeks before IC launched on ps4 and never used wolf until IC. So I'm no pro or anything, but I'll link one of my vids to see how I use it

https://youtu.be/RL1_89IW0co

Any feedback, advice, tips..etc.. Would be appreciated as well!

Kas · February 2016

It's viable (insane single target damage, high utility through the STRONG AoE healing debuff, fear).
However, it also has many downsides (less heal on usual stam builds than rally + vigor, hard to deal with reflects, no purge dawnbreaker, getting focused because of high damage and relatively weak def)
Thus you see relatively few werewolfs in cyro.

In my personal opinion, they work great when you can hide behind other friendly players, pick targets and kill them quickly and against less experienced players that underestimate your damage output. Whenever you're targetted by a real threat (good player or many players), I think all four classes on stam AND magicka builds have more survivability, though. Sure, you can choose when to transform and when not to, but I foudn my werewolf go into wolf form about once an hour and otherwise use the ulti on the other bar

Chrlynsch · February 2016

Werewolf is strongest when your riding precast buffs, my dk will pop rally/shuffle before transformation and he is an absolute beast. The extra armor/spell resistanceis very nice. CC, block, and roll dodge is really your only line of defense (no stealth, no shields, mediocre heals). I also use the rapid retreat/werewolf transformation to get away from unwinnable situations. Remember your howl hits like a truck, but don't forget your light attacks can tear apart enemies pretty quickly, save your stamina for break free and roll dodges.

Ahzek · February 2016

The strongest thing about WW is the transformation moment. Since you are immune to damage + the fear you can time it to survive burst combos and the like. Then you can usually make quick work of one or 2 surprised opponents. Thise is where it gets hairy (hue hue hue).
While WW has great damage sustain and defense are not on your side here. You can fight most stamina builds just fine due to dodge and the healbuff + general DoT pressure. But magicka builds, esp. With DBoS, can just wreck you when they manage to recover.

Angus · February 2016

One upon a time, it was really damn hard to transform since the transformation could be easily interrupted.

Judging from this thread, that was fixed?

MrGigglypants · February 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Careful with the howls though, vs a player that knows what he is doing your ww will just die.

Howl can be reflected with wings/ defensive posture, it's not nice have a 18k howl thrown back at you and then being stunned while the other guy is hitting you anyway.

Oh and watch out for dawnbreakers, you can't purge the dot... My sorc has a 15k on impact dawnbreaker of smiting, 17k dot for 5 seconds i think it is.

If that crits = good fight.

Shh I like one shotting people

Fellenore_Ewalion · February 2016

As a WW you'll be the primary target, but you can rock if you don't counter potent fighters guild skills. Lucky for you, silver bolts and beast traps are quite rare, camo hunter and dawnbreaker are much more common.

I use dawnbreaker for my magicka templar, and it kicks the WWs, really.

leepalmer95 · February 2016

Fellenore_Ewalion wrote: »

As a WW you'll be the primary target, but you can rock if you don't counter potent fighters guild skills. Lucky for you, silver bolts and beast traps are quite rare, camo hunter and dawnbreaker are much more common.

I use dawnbreaker for my magicka templar, and it kicks the WWs, really.

I always use bolts, it's physical dmg and does more dmg than venom arrow ^^

Cathexis · February 2016

MrGigglypants wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Careful with the howls though, vs a player that knows what he is doing your ww will just die.

Howl can be reflected with wings/ defensive posture, it's not nice have a 18k howl thrown back at you and then being stunned while the other guy is hitting you anyway.

Oh and watch out for dawnbreakers, you can't purge the dot... My sorc has a 15k on impact dawnbreaker of smiting, 17k dot for 5 seconds i think it is.

If that crits = good fight.

Shh I like one shotting people

When you fight dk's you just use howls strategically, all your other abilities will melt them so hard that you dont need them - most dk's will not flap to conserve resources if you are not hitting them with howl. The key is to wait for the opening.