Julianos or Kagernac's for Magicka Sorc?

BigTone · January 2016

Johngo0036 wrote: »

PVP - Kragenacs
PVE - Julianos

This is exactly my set-up.

Kags for pvp, Julianos for VMA

Rez speed and health are more valuable than crit in PvP

Knootewoot · January 2016

So basically I am better of with my 3 archemage and 2 torug.

5 pieces which give me
- better regeneration then julianos 5pc and slightly less spelldamage
- same regeneration as Kag's 5pc and more spelldamage

Jormasaurus · January 2016

Knootewoot wrote: »

So basically I am better of with my 3 archemage and 2 torug.

5 pieces which give me
- better regeneration then julianos 5pc and slightly less spelldamage
- same regeneration as Kag's 5pc and more spelldamage

You lose the max magicka from Kag's which results in less damage. On top of that you don't get the health and res speed either.

Brrrofski · January 2016

Julianos all day for me.

I don't want extra health that kag gives. It's a total dead stat for a sorc. You'd always run food on a magica sorc.

I never find my sustain an issue. Endless fury, overload and harness magics can give you quote a bit of magica back. I can make do with 1800 regen on a sorc.

I play on xbox, so not everyone is running stuff to negate crits. Even if they were, they'd dedicate a lot to reduce a lot. Even then, am I right in thinking you can never nullify it completely? So you still do additional damage when you crit. Regarding shields, when you get a sorc shield down and you're dealing damage to red, critting with a frag or overload goes a long way to getting them down. Don't forget your heals can crit too, so that can be useful too.

ToRelax · January 2016

Since someone was so nice to dig up this old thread, I'll link a post I made in there...

ToRelax wrote: »

havok561 wrote: »

Kagrenacs just seems more balanced. 75 spell power is a decent amount but not sure if in the end it will make a huge difference . I am an average player in pvp sometimes I perform better then other days, I guess we will see but I am leaning towards Kagrenacs hope with Molag Kena Shoulder, Torugs pact staff and head. Twice Born star has always had me curious.

Let's have a quick breakdown then of 5 Julianos + 3 Willow's Path/3 Kagrenac/2 Willow's Path + 1 Molag Kena vs 5 Kagrenac + 1 Molag Kena + 2 Torug's Pact:

5 Julianos + 3 Willow's Path:
2 spell crit + 1 max magicka + 2.3 spell damage + 1 magicka regen + 1 stamina regen

5 Julianos + 3 Kagrenac (same stats as 3 Seducer/Magnus/Eyes of Mara):
2 spell crit + 2 max magicka + 2.3 spell damage + 1 magicka regen

5 Julianos + 1 Molag Kena + 2 Willow's Path (same stats as 2 Seducer/Eyes of Mara):
2 spell crit + 1 max magicka + 3.3 spell damage + 1 magicka regen

5 Kagrenac + 1 Molag Kena + 2 Torug's Pact:
1 max health + 1 max magicka + 3.7 spell damage + 1 magicka regen

Idk about you, but the Julianos setups seem more balanced to me.
What Kagrenac has going for it that Julianos doesn't, is the rez speed. If you think that'll be very useful to you, then Kagrenac is probably the better choice.

Jsmalls · January 2016

ToRelax wrote: »

Since someone was so nice to dig up this old thread, I'll link a post I made in there...

ToRelax wrote: »

havok561 wrote: »

Kagrenacs just seems more balanced. 75 spell power is a decent amount but not sure if in the end it will make a huge difference . I am an average player in pvp sometimes I perform better then other days, I guess we will see but I am leaning towards Kagrenacs hope with Molag Kena Shoulder, Torugs pact staff and head. Twice Born star has always had me curious.

Let's have a quick breakdown then of 5 Julianos + 3 Willow's Path/3 Kagrenac/2 Willow's Path + 1 Molag Kena vs 5 Kagrenac + 1 Molag Kena + 2 Torug's Pact:

5 Julianos + 3 Willow's Path:
2 spell crit + 1 max magicka + 2.3 spell damage + 1 magicka regen + 1 stamina regen

5 Julianos + 3 Kagrenac (same stats as 3 Seducer/Magnus/Eyes of Mara):
2 spell crit + 2 max magicka + 2.3 spell damage + 1 magicka regen

5 Julianos + 1 Molag Kena + 2 Willow's Path (same stats as 2 Seducer/Eyes of Mara):
2 spell crit + 1 max magicka + 3.3 spell damage + 1 magicka regen

5 Kagrenac + 1 Molag Kena + 2 Torug's Pact:
1 max health + 1 max magicka + 3.7 spell damage + 1 magicka regen

Idk about you, but the Julianos setups seem more balanced to me.
What Kagrenac has going for it that Julianos doesn't, is the rez speed. If you think that'll be very useful to you, then Kagrenac is probably the better choice.

5 Kags + 1 Molag Kena + 1 Bloodspawn + 1 maelstrom staff: 1 max health + 1 max Magicka + 4.3 spell damage + 1 Magicka regen + 1 stamina regen

That beats any combination of Julianos IN MY OPINION, because you'll have to sacrifice spell damage for some sort of regen at some point, with this setup you are only sacrificing 80 spell damage and 6% critical for 130 mag regen, 1000 health, and a faster rez bonus.

Until they create a 1 piece monster helmet for Magicka recovery this will be my setup.

Lutallo · January 2016

I much prefer Julianos.

Comparing the bonuses at V16
Kag = 967 magicka, 126 recovery, 1060 health and 217 spell damage
Julianos = 967 magicka, 6% crit and 300 spell damage

I don't need 1060 health when I have a 9k (+33%) hardened ward and if you have more than 300 champion points, losing 126 recovery isn't a big deal at all, which is why I choose Julianos.

Septimus_Magna · January 2016

Lutallo wrote: »

I much prefer Julianos.

Comparing the bonuses at V16
Kag = 967 magicka, 126 recovery, 1060 health and 217 spell damage
Julianos = 967 magicka, 6% crit and 300 spell damage

I don't need 1060 health when I have a 9k (+33%) hardened ward and if you have more than 300 champion points, losing 126 recovery isn't a big deal at all, which is why I choose Julianos.

The bonus 126 magicka regen will give you a lot more regen, around 210 last time I tested it.

Both sets are viable for pvp ofc but extra health and regen is never bad, sorcs mainly rely on their shields to survive but you cannot survive well-timed burst with just shields. Crit Rush + Wrecking Blow into Dragon Leap followed by Executioner is hard to survive with just shields and a small health pool.

caeliusstarbreaker · January 2016

Best sorc I know wears Julianos

Makkir · January 2016

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Lutallo wrote: »

I much prefer Julianos.

Comparing the bonuses at V16
Kag = 967 magicka, 126 recovery, 1060 health and 217 spell damage
Julianos = 967 magicka, 6% crit and 300 spell damage

I don't need 1060 health when I have a 9k (+33%) hardened ward and if you have more than 300 champion points, losing 126 recovery isn't a big deal at all, which is why I choose Julianos.

The bonus 126 magicka regen will give you a lot more regen, around 210 last time I tested it.

Both sets are viable for pvp ofc but extra health and regen is never bad, sorcs mainly rely on their shields to survive but you cannot survive well-timed burst with just shields. Crit Rush + Wrecking Blow into Dragon Leap followed by Executioner is hard to survive with just shields and a small health pool.

Yeah what he said.
I ran Julianos for a long time but honestly as a Sorc I just find Kag much mroe useful now. I can't get healed with Surge from other sorcs since I can't crit shields, and just about everyone and his mother is running impen on his armor now anyway.