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They need an ESO realm reborn reboot

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They should fix the glaring issues with this game, and make it a true mmo. Get rid of vet lvl grind, leave that for alts. Better ui, chat options, player market place etc. redo combat system, stam and Magic build issues, more group events, endgame options etc. So much potential to make this game pretty awesome but it's current state keeps it from what it could be.
  • Twilix01
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    • They are removing veteran ranks, it's just taking a lot of work to make sure they don't completely bork the game to implement it.
    • Better UI how? Explain.
    • What extra chat options are you asking for?
    • You mean an auction house? Highly unlikely they'll completely scrap guild traders in favor of an auction house.
    • What's wrong with the combat system, and what should it be redone into?
    • What stam and magic build issues? Be specific.
    • Public dungeons, group dungeons, veteran dungeons, craglorn, trials, DSA, VDSA, Wrothgar dungeons, Wrothgar world bosses, and imperial city bosses aren't enough I assume? Make suggestions, and don't say dragon bosses.
    • As above, but apply to endgame instead of group content. There is also PvP and for solo play, maelstrom arena.
    Edited by Twilix01 on 11 January 2016 22:33
  • Valrien
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    Twilix01 wrote: »
    • They are removing veteran ranks, it's just taking a lot of work to make sure they don't completely bork the game to implement it.
    • Better UI how? Explain.
    • What extra chat options are you asking for?
    • You mean an auction house? Highly unlikely they'll completely scrap guild traders in favor of an auction house.
    • What's wrong with the combat system, and what should it be redone into?
    • What stam and magic build issues? Be specific.
    • Public dungeons, group dungeons, veteran dungeons, craglorn, trials, DSA, VDSA, Wrothgar dungeons, Wrothgar world bosses, and imperial city bosses aren't enough I assume? Make suggestions, and don't say dragon bosses.
    • As above, but apply to endgame instead of group content. There is also PvP and for solo play, maelstrom arena.

    Basically this. I personally see nothing wrong with things as they are now and the direction the game is going.
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  • babedenny
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    Ditto.
  • CaptainObvious
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    Lens Flare. There is a sheer lack of Lens Flare in this game.

    That's why it isn't shiny and awesome.
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  • MaxwellC
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    @Twilix01
    • On consoles the UI needs improvement as we lack every bit of information that PC can use with add-ons.
    • Console we lack a text chat for some reason; an mmo named "Neverwinter" has text chat along-side voice chat.
    • I'm all for guild traders but I'd like a system where it connects all guild traders into a central hub that everyone can access (Like Runescapes Grand Exchange). With that players don't have to go all over Nirn looking for some crafting supplies that aren't at a ridiculous prices e.g. 10 makkos for 10k.
    • Not sure if you're trolling but the combat system i.e. balance is completely laughable. You've got NBs and Sorcs at the top of the food chain while templars/DKs are at the bottom (unless it's PvE). If I need to go into detail please tell me I can give you a wall of text or refer you to a lot of form posts regarding the various unfair balances this game has as of now.
    • All group activities in ESO are practically dead now saying all is a rather bold statement but IC is literally dead, PvP barely thrives even though it's full of class imbalances and is so laggy people have given Cyrodiil the name Lagrodiil due to how unstable the servers are and this has been going on for A LONG TIME, Dungeons are only done for the sake of EXP grinding and monster masks/gold n silver keys, who does craglorn in groups anymore I haven't heard of anyone searching for those lol, as far as I know no one actually goes after bosses in IC anymore (unless it's sewers farming for tel var stones), wrothgar bosses are only done for the daily and that's literally it, wrothgar public dungeons are only done for exp grinding/finding motifs (nothing really unique here carry on), the end game content as of now is still technically in a W.I.P as it's full of bugs that need to be fixed over and over again.
    Edited by MaxwellC on 12 January 2016 02:58
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  • Yinmaigao
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    Someone say something about wanting dragon bosses?

    :trollface:
  • Forestd16b14_ESO
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    Twilix01 wrote: »
    • What's wrong with the combat system, and what should it be redone into?

    Well let's see. Block casting and animation cancellation are 2 major things that are broken with it that need fixed and to do that ZOS has to redo the entire combat system.
  • Mojmir
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    ***, this game needs one
  • Volkodav
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    Twilix01 wrote: »
    • They are removing veteran ranks, it's just taking a lot of work to make sure they don't completely bork the game to implement it.
    • Better UI how? Explain.
    • What extra chat options are you asking for?
    • You mean an auction house? Highly unlikely they'll completely scrap guild traders in favor of an auction house.
    • What's wrong with the combat system, and what should it be redone into?
    • What stam and magic build issues? Be specific.
    • Public dungeons, group dungeons, veteran dungeons, craglorn, trials, DSA, VDSA, Wrothgar dungeons, Wrothgar world bosses, and imperial city bosses aren't enough I assume? Make suggestions, and don't say dragon bosses.
    • As above, but apply to endgame instead of group content. There is also PvP and for solo play, maelstrom arena.

    Well said here.
  • Twilix01
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    @Twilix01
    • On consoles the UI needs improvement as we lack every bit of information that PC can use with add-ons.
    • Console we lack a text chat for some reason; an mmo named "Neverwinter" has text chat along-side voice chat.
    • I'm all for guild traders but I'd like a system where it connects all guild traders into a central hub that everyone can access (Like Runescapes Grand Exchange). With that players don't have to go all over Nirn looking for some crafting supplies that aren't at a ridiculous prices e.g. 10 makkos for 10k.
    • Not sure if you're trolling but the combat system i.e. balance is completely laughable. You've got NBs and Sorcs at the top of the food chain while templars/DKs are at the bottom (unless it's PvE). If I need to go into detail please tell me I can give you a wall of text or refer you to a lot of form posts regarding the various unfair balances this game has as of now.
    • All group activities in ESO are practically dead now saying all is a rather bold statement but IC is literally dead, PvP barely thrives even though it's full of class imbalances and is so laggy people have given Cyrodiil the name Lagrodiil due to how unstable the servers are and this has been going on for A LONG TIME, Dungeons are only done for the sake of EXP grinding and monster masks/gold n silver keys, who does craglorn in groups anymore I haven't heard of anyone searching for those lol, as far as I know no one actually goes after bosses in IC anymore (unless it's sewers farming for tel var stones), wrothgar bosses are only done for the daily and that's literally it, wrothgar public dungeons are only done for exp grinding/finding motifs (nothing really unique here carry on), the end game content as of now is still technically in a W.I.P as it's full of bugs that need to be fixed over and over again.
    • I'll give it to you for console stuff, they do need more options.
    • See above for text chat.
    • I actually like finding things I'm looking for at easy prices in places you might not look. I know some people like the idea of a centralized auction house but every time a poll comes up for it it's mainly a 50/50 in for/against. It'd also take quite a bit of work for ZOS to even just add an area to search through guild traders in one spot, much less completely replace the trader system with an auction house like many demand.
    • What you're talking about is balances, the combat system itself works fine (though some may argue block casting and animation canceling should be fixed, but as that person said it'd take an overhaul to fix that). I do agree that balances for classes are in serious need, I would also like ZOS to give some more chances for hybrid builds to be more viable.
    • Well the content exists, what can ZOS do about people not wanting to play it? It's like people saying there's nothing for dinner when in reality they just don't want the many options they have. They can make more content but soon enough people will stop playing that and demand more until ZOS makes more. They can add whatever rewards they want to future and current content, people will still think "Nah I don't really want to do that...", so what's your idea that isn't just a treadmill of ever-expanding content that a new player would end up feeling overwhelmed with?
    Edited by Twilix01 on 12 January 2016 04:56
  • Islyn
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    Twilix01 wrote: »
    • What's wrong with the combat system, and what should it be redone into?

    Well let's see. Block casting and animation cancellation are 2 major things that are broken with it that need fixed and to do that ZOS has to redo the entire combat system.

    There's still block casting????

    I thought that was a thing of the past...(cannot test it because server is down but I don't think there's block casting anymore)
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  • Mr.Hmm
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    Islyn wrote: »
    Twilix01 wrote: »
    • What's wrong with the combat system, and what should it be redone into?

    Well let's see. Block casting and animation cancellation are 2 major things that are broken with it that need fixed and to do that ZOS has to redo the entire combat system.

    There's still block casting????

    I thought that was a thing of the past...(cannot test it because server is down but I don't think there's block casting anymore)

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  • AngryNord
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    Way too late for that
  • ProfessorKittyhawk
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    We already got a Realm Reborn treatment. It's called Tamriel Unlimited. Except the only thing unlimited about it are the bugs.
  • Preyfar
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    There's a lot of things that can be changed about the UI, especially some basic functionality most players use add-ons to replicate (e.g. better health bars, guild store options, options like "BankIt"). I love the add-ons provided by ESO's community, but all too often, add-ons keep losing support or falling by the wayside whenever a player leaves.

    I've seen add-ons that say "X quit, so I had to take it over." And then later, "Y quit, so I had to take it over from Z" and... eventually, what happens if that popular add-on loses support? A large chunk of them them seem to break every major API update.

    I definitely want add-on support to keep going, but there's a lot of basic functions that can be added to the game. I mean ,why do you need an add-on to see what motif an item has?
  • Robotmafia
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    so your saying make it more like wow then you will think its good... go play wow...
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  • Digiman
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    Huge waste of money. The game is working and fun as it is. But the development team is terrible at balancing and addressing bugs.

    Truth be told they really screwed up the launch of this game. Trying to be the next WoW with subscription fee on top of buying the game that had so many bugs and broken quests marred this games reputation.

    You think ESO has enough clout to try a reboot? Final Fantasy did but if this game sinks then that's it. No more ES MMO's ever.

    Right now they are doing an okay job finally making the game attractive to new players. But the way the release updates and their timeframe is borked.

    LFG tool should of been reworked with a better UI and search system, before Christmas when people had time off to play this game. Instead we are waiting to February or later before they make patch to address the balance and bugs.

    Like I said they dev team have no clue how to prioritize game development.
  • J2JMC
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    Twilix01 wrote: »
    [*] Well the content exists, what can ZOS do about people not wanting to play it? It's like people saying there's nothing for dinner when in reality they just don't want the many options they have. They can make more content but soon enough people will stop playing that and demand more until ZOS makes more. They can add whatever rewards they want to future and current content, people will still think "Nah I don't really want to do that...", so what's your idea that isn't just a treadmill of ever-expanding content that a new player would end up feeling overwhelmed with?
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    Making set drops(excluding maelstrom weapons and helms) from vMA, vWGT and vICP BoE significantly increases the life of the content. The current RNG(console) for the dungeons is PERFECT if the set pieces are made BoE. Moving to BoE extends the life of the content because endgame players will run the content so they can sell gear to those who want the gear but can't obtain it. This in turn allows good pvp gear to be BoE without pve players feeling shafted and promotes a healthy market where people of multiple playstyles(including solo players) can obtain gear and make money.

    The selfish decision to make all the gear BoP not only hurts the playerbase but decreases the lifespan of the content despite popular belief. Sure it elongates the time hardcore players will be in there since they can't trade with buddies. However, once they get the gear, they have zero incentive to run the content.
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  • Gilliamtherogue
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    Twilix01 wrote: »
    • They are removing veteran ranks, it's just taking a lot of work to make sure they don't completely bork the game to implement it. Yeah, but knowing ZoS with previous game play decisions they'll find a way to break it anyways.
    • Better UI how? Explain. Explaination of anything in this game? Players can hardly gleam any useful information about the game from tooltips or state explainations. UI is much too bare with no optional damage text, the tab targeting system is a mess in large groups, and there's no on screen buff/debuff tracking.
    • What extra chat options are you asking for? Likely referring to console, where the only method of chat is awful prewritten notes like "Rally here!" and voice chat that isn't all too great either.
    • You mean an auction house? Highly unlikely they'll completely scrap guild traders in favor of an auction house. We don't need an auction house, we just need a functioning guild trader system that allows us to actually browse items conveniently. No search bars for specific items by name, etc. Looking for 1 nice item? Hope you have an hour to travel through the world to go to each trader and have to change 5 settings each search.
    • What's wrong with the combat system, and what should it be redone into? Reliable combat. Have you stepped into vma? One run in there and you'll learn how broken and unresponsive this game's combat can be, even with totally fine ping.
    • What stam and magic build issues? Be specific. Likely the staggering difference of performance between the two. In PvE balance is horrendous, classes are leagues behind others and are often blacklisted from groups because they cannot preform. Stamina has always been behind caster builds in PvE, and still is. There's no trade off currently where one can out preform the other in instance X compared to Y. Casters get range, innate self healing, high stat pools, and scale better with CP compared to stam. What does stam have? Steel tornado and sneak attacks- which both are/have been nerfed. In PvP there's a lot of issues between the two that you could spend easily over 100 pages arguing over.
    • Public dungeons, group dungeons, veteran dungeons, craglorn, trials, DSA, VDSA, Wrothgar dungeons, Wrothgar world bosses, and imperial city bosses aren't enough I assume? Make suggestions, and don't say dragon bosses.
    • As above, but apply to endgame instead of group content. There is also PvP and for solo play, maelstrom arena.
      These are not enough, end game PvE is all but dead. 9/10 dungeons are out of date dropping v14 gear, and all the v16 scaled places drop gear thats worse than crafted, leaving 0 incentive to actively do them. Trials have been left untouched since September of last YEAR. Half of the stuff you listed are all one and done instances that would be pointless to rerun in their current state. The issue isn't a lack of content per say, but a lack of content that has any reason to even do.
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  • AngryNord
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    Digiman wrote: »
    You think ESO has enough clout to try a reboot? Final Fantasy did but if this game sinks then that's it. No more ES MMO's ever.

    Way too late. After two years, it'd kill the game completely. AFAIK Square admitted pretty quickly after the original FFXIV launch that the game was a disaster, and fired the whole devteam, plus waived the sub fee, and the game was shut down after what, half a year or so? And relaunched about a year and a half later (and they still almost blew it...)
  • Nales
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    Yes I think they should shut the game down and do all of those things, I dont care if it takes a year and 6 months this game needs it
  • bertenburnyb16_ESO
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    we had,
    it was called "tamriel unlimited"

    :trollface:
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  • mchagan38b14a_ESO
    Gilliamtherogue said pretty much what I was thinking point by point. They could fix these things, so what if some are hard and would take some time, last I looked they get paid to do this. Problem is they lack effective leadership driving their efforts in wrong directions, or their understaffed, either doesn't bode well for the game. Non of this has anything to do to make it more like "wow". It just needs fixing, denying that fact doesn't make it go away.
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    Game has no content left worth doing once you've finished vmsa for weps and gotten emp, imo. Future DLC needs more replay incentive.

    It's nice when the game is active and well after a new major content patch for 3ish weeks, but that isn't going to keep this game healthy in the long run.
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    ☐ Nerf/Buff Sorcerers.
    ☐ Nerf/Buff Nightblades.
    ☐ Nerf/Buff Dragonknights.
    ☐ Nerf/Buff Templars.
    ☐ THIS IS P2W!
    ☐ L2P n00b.
    ☐ Where is the LOL button??
    ☐ Fix PvP lag.
    ☐ LFG is full of scrubs.
    ☐ WHEN WILL YOU ADD CONSOLE TEXT CHAT?
    ☐ WHEN ARE ARENAS COMING?
    ☐ Natch Potes.
    ☐ Nerf Veteran Maelstrom Arena.
    ☐ Race Change ETA?
    ☐ Please add the Barber Shop!
    ☐ Why don't Trials scale?
    ☐ Working as intended.
    ☐ Why did you nerf/buff this?
    ☐ When will "thing" be added?
  • LostRedden
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      IC is literally dead,

      What? People say this all the time, and it's bull shavik. I play on NA PS4 and have yet to find an IC sewers that isn't active.
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    • ralonasan
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      LostRedden wrote: »
      @Twilix01
        IC is literally dead,

        What? People say this all the time, and it's bull shavik. I play on NA PS4 and have yet to find an IC sewers that isn't active.

        Assume they are talking about PC eu/na. Console has way more people that need to do that content still.
        The ESO Forum Common Complaint Checklist: ☑
        ☐ Nerf/Buff Sorcerers.
        ☐ Nerf/Buff Nightblades.
        ☐ Nerf/Buff Dragonknights.
        ☐ Nerf/Buff Templars.
        ☐ THIS IS P2W!
        ☐ L2P n00b.
        ☐ Where is the LOL button??
        ☐ Fix PvP lag.
        ☐ LFG is full of scrubs.
        ☐ WHEN WILL YOU ADD CONSOLE TEXT CHAT?
        ☐ WHEN ARE ARENAS COMING?
        ☐ Natch Potes.
        ☐ Nerf Veteran Maelstrom Arena.
        ☐ Race Change ETA?
        ☐ Please add the Barber Shop!
        ☐ Why don't Trials scale?
        ☐ Working as intended.
        ☐ Why did you nerf/buff this?
        ☐ When will "thing" be added?
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