P3ZZL3 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Well, in the old Batman series with Adam West, you could always tell when you were in a villain's lair because the angle of the camera was tilted. In ESO you can tell that the Imperial City has been taken over by villains (daedra) because the angle of the map has been tilted.

Also, I don't know.

You're a wealth of information aren't you lol

No. No I am not lol

Epona222 wrote: »

Look at a map of modern day London, and compare it to a map of London from nearly 1000 years ago.

Any similarities? Nope, let's move on.

Agreed.

Isn't this game based like 800 years before oblivion? A city can change a lot in 800 years and also it's in the middle of a war, theres not much of an imperial city left.

Something as revered and important to Cyrodiilic culture as the Imperial City would be very painstakingly rebuilt with accuracy... and it's not like the city has been gutted... all the interior walls are intact @leepalmer95

JD2013 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Isn't this game based like 800 years before oblivion? A city can change a lot in 800 years and also it's in the middle of a war, theres not much of an imperial city left.

I always find it odd playing in the past of Tamriel when we know things that have happened 800 plus years later.

Wibbly wobbly timey wimey.

Someone's a Dr. who fan ^^

Enodoc wrote: »

Or that. If someone like Loremaster Lawrence comes along and says the Planemeld has caused the city to rotate on its axis, I will accept that. But I would prefer them to just fix the map. Until one or the other happens, the map is still wrong.

I too would be fine with this sort of explanation...

I find it so funny how those of us who care about the lore just want things to be justified... we will accept just about ANYTHING in ESO as long as it's added to ESO carefully and respectfully.

Like the whole fire/ice/lightning horses... if they added them thoughtfully to the game and didn't just throw them in there without any justification I would be totally fine with their existence and would likely purchase them.

I'm curious about the pathways from Arboretum and the Arcane University, the Market District and the Imperial Prison, and the Plaza to the western bridge. How are those supposed to work in ESO where all of those straight passageways are now blocked with city walls. It's not like the Arcane University, and Imperial Prison have changed locations. The western bridge is in a different location but I think that's a different bridge... but again... more things that would be nice to have clarified officially.

Kalfis wrote: »

Who cares, it's a dung hole now, barely resembles the city at all.

Lmao

Well the connections to the city might have been different and also the sewers are much bigger me thinks and go under the water as well in elderscrolls online time. the placement of the sewers is what bugs me more, well the city is fine as for placement they can't be 100 percent but they did a very good job there.

It seems the Wheel is turning.

This 30° rotation disturbed me too... don't know why the devs do that ?...

Comments like : "1000year", "destructed/rebuilt" are dumb !! the different buildings could have been destroyed but the structure of the city are the Ayleids walls and towers, if some of them should be destroyed by something, they will be rebuilt on the same position and not rotate all the city. And as you can see, all the buildings in Oblivion are already existing in TESO (Arena/market/arboretum), so the whole city should have been destroyed and after that, rebuilt exactly the same as before but with a 30° rotation ? this is a no-sence guys...

I have a better theory to explain this fact using the lore :

For me it is Tiber Septim who "rotated" the Imperial City when he activates the Numidium at the end of the Second Era in order to unify Tamriel. Intentionaly or not, he rotated the city, but no idea why the City should be rotated ^^ maybe some metaphysical reasons to stabilize Mundus after all the Dragonbreaks ? (I also believe that TESO takes place during a Dragonbreak, that's why we can have multiple "storylines" for each alliance/player)
This is the only way I found to explain this 30° rotation, respecting the lore. I think the Numidium is the only thing on Nirn which can do some kind of so powerfull magic (or maybe the somone powerfull enought to use an Elder Scrolls to change the reality, but then again : why whould someone rotate the city ?).

JD2013 wrote: »

Molag Bal did it.

In conjunction with Mehrunes Dagon. See, Bal with his anchors and Dagon was told by Hermaeus Mora that in 800 years, he is going to have a go at Cyrodiil, and so Dagon used the anchors sneakily with Bal to turn the city 30 degrees just because it seemed evil, as he has to wait 800 years for his go at the city.

Three Daedric Lords helping each other ? Why ? especially these three who are not really known for their generosity ! Its not because they are both Daedric Lords thay they would help each other ! The only coalition of Deadric Lords I know is the one again Jyggalag when he started to invade many of other Daedric realms during the Dawn Era. And why would Dagon need the city to be rotated ? Can't he open his gates with this configuration ??

There is no Dragonborn Emperor wearing the Amulet of Kings ; OK ! Daedric Lords can open Oblivion gates ; OK ! but despite Molag Bals anchors, Daedric Lords have no great power on Nirn. They are almighty in they realms, but rotating a whole city on Nirn... ? Especialy this one, the most "metaphysicaly strong" city on Nirn build by the Ayleids... The towers should stabilized Nirn but could be modified so easly by a Daedric Lord ?

And why would Molag Bal help Dagon... He want to absorb Nirn in Coldharbor so why help an opponent wich want to do the same 800 years after ? Is Molag Bal knowing that he will fail ? Then why did he even strat the Planemeld ? Just to help Dagon ?
I think this is a weak theory... and Hermaeus Mora don't share his knowledge so easly...

I don't now why Tiber Septim or the Numidium have to rotate the city. My theory did not explain everithing but in my opigion my version is more credible that a conjuration of "unfriendly" Daedric Lord helping one of them to achieve, 800 years in the future, somthing that one other of them is trying to do righht now... in case he will fail...

Maybe during the 800 year gap it gets wrecked by something else and gets rebuilt. Elder scrolls 6 is coming in 2019 do who knows.

Recremen wrote: »

This is mostly going to be an issue of in-game limitations on the interpretation of a fictional world. Remember, this is supposed to be The City in the Elder Scrolls universe, it's been described in lore as sprawling out across multiple islands, containing multiple plazas, depending on interpretation there's some implied verticality to it, it's supposed to house millions of people, etc. Yet TES IV Oblivion couldn't handle that kind of city (what game could, even now?), so they settled for the design we're used to in order to represent this mythic place. Now, ESO could have gone the route of new interpretation, but they decided to base as much as they could off of the original design, right down to the original fixtures! With that said, however, they of course needed to change a couple of things here and there for gameplay purposes. A little rotation isn't so much to concede, I think.

There is no logical gameplay reason to create the city at a different angle.