Axes and how you bleed

ShawtyBlaze · December 2015

I have currently seen many players in pvp using axes now instead of maces or swords. I have been on the receiving end of axes many of times currently on the na ps4 version of the game. I die to a bleeding effect from axes many of times, but since I play on ps4 I can not see when I get affected by the bleed affect. But anyways I was wondering is there a reason why so many players are using axes over other variations of the same weapon type?

Cathexis · December 2015

Axes are bugged right now. My understanding is that it currently applies 100% of the time, but only 2 seconds after your last attack. If you attack before then, the timer resets.

With axes its a toss up - you get the debuff so its extra damage and it applies universally to all things that you damage (health, block builds, shields) but right now it only applies to targets when you can't make continuous contact.

Ultimately, I think maces are the better choice still for 2 hand, although one axe one mace for dual weild may be more effective.

Strider_Roshin · December 2015

Axes are strong but you can't bleed shields so I stick with the greatsword.

Cathexis · December 2015

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Axes are strong but you can't bleed shields so I stick with the greatsword.

Im pretty sure it does bleed shields.

Tankqull · December 2015

Cathexis wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Axes are strong but you can't bleed shields so I stick with the greatsword.

Im pretty sure it does bleed shields.

yip they do

as you can see between 22:59:02 and 22:59:06 bleeds previously applied before the shield is applied and applied on a functional shield are actually ticking.

ShawtyBlaze · December 2015

Okay thanks for all the info guys I appreciate the help.

Inig0 · December 2015

Axes are really good atm, my bleed tick most people for 3k. (upwards to 3.4k sometimes)
With poison injection and bleed on someone with low health i usually just break the wrist walk away

Anzriel · December 2015

Yeah, they're bugged and always apply the bleed, so they're really good right now. Honestly even once it's fix they should be pretty solid.

Cathexis · December 2015

Anzriel wrote: »

Yeah, they're bugged and always apply the bleed, so they're really good right now. Honestly even once it's fix they should be pretty solid.

They are OK. Arguably maces are as good, since their damage bonus applies immediately.

Alcast · December 2015

Axes are good because instead of a 16% bleed apply chance they have a 100% bleed apply chance. lol

Cathexis · December 2015

Alcast wrote: »

Axes are good because instead of a 16% bleed apply chance they have a 100% bleed apply chance. lol

Yes but it only applies bleed of you don't attack them for 2 seconds. It takes 2 seconds to activate.

Morozov · December 2015

swing 2hr axe.....cast WB........cast WB........cast WB..........cast WB.........dies from bleed

Docmandu · December 2015

Tankqull wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Axes are strong but you can't bleed shields so I stick with the greatsword.

Im pretty sure it does bleed shields.

yip they do

as you can see between 22:59:02 and 22:59:06 bleeds previously applied before the shield is applied and applied on a functional shield are actually ticking.

But the bleed won't apply / proc on a target with a damage shield. If you hit them when the shield is down, the proc will apply and keep on ticking after they put a damage shield up.. but if no tick is running and you hit a shielded target, no bleed will start, afaik.

Looking in your log, that indeed seems to be the case.. light attack that caused the bleed was done when wards were down.

Same issue for Blood Craze / Rending slashes.

Minno · December 2015

Broken or exploit?

Just use maces because they are working as intended so you don't have to cheat. You won't inflate the pvp arenas with fantasy dmg/kills via the mace/sword route.

Rise above.

Tankqull · December 2015

Docmandu wrote: »

But the bleed won't apply / proc on a target with a damage shield. If you hit them when the shield is down, the proc will apply and keep on ticking after they put a damage shield up.. but if no tick is running and you hit a shielded target, no bleed will start, afaik.

Looking in your log, that indeed seems to be the case.. light attack that caused the bleed was done when wards were down.

Same issue for Blood Craze / Rending slashes.

on the first view you are right but: the bleeding ticks every 2 sec 59:03 before shield cast dot tic -> 59:05 still ticking dot on a casted shield but at 59:05 a new bleed is applied on the still existing shield by the 3558dmg attack the followed 5k attack is the crit charge of alphalex.

Kutsuu · December 2015

Also, it's not just light/heavy attacks that proc the bleed (abilities and bash can proc it also). Even when they fix the 100% proc chance and it's properly 16%, I think I'll have an axe on my 2h bar. That bleed puts a good bit of pressure on people to cleanse or heal.

Docmandu · December 2015

Tankqull wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

But the bleed won't apply / proc on a target with a damage shield. If you hit them when the shield is down, the proc will apply and keep on ticking after they put a damage shield up.. but if no tick is running and you hit a shielded target, no bleed will start, afaik.

Looking in your log, that indeed seems to be the case.. light attack that caused the bleed was done when wards were down.

Same issue for Blood Craze / Rending slashes.

on the first view you are right but: the bleeding ticks every 2 sec 59:03 before shield cast dot tic -> 59:05 still ticking dot on a casted shield but at 59:05 a new bleed is applied on the still existing shield by the 3558dmg attack the followed 5k attack is the crit charge of alphalex.

22:59:01 Healing ward feeds from you
..
22:59:03 You gain Bleeding
22:59:03 You gain Healing Ward

>> Here the bleed is before the ward

22:59:05 Healing Ward fades from you
22:59:05 You gain Hardened Ward
..
22:59:06 Hardened Ward fades from you
22:59:06 You gain Bleeding
22:59:07 You gain Healing ward

>> Looks like the bleed is also just between wards

So it looks to me that you only "gained bleeding" when the wards were down. Unless I missed something in the log.

Strider_Roshin · December 2015

Tankqull wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Axes are strong but you can't bleed shields so I stick with the greatsword.

Im pretty sure it does bleed shields.

yip they do

as you can see between 22:59:02 and 22:59:06 bleeds previously applied before the shield is applied and applied on a functional shield are actually ticking.

Really?! Looks like I'm going shopping for an axe when I get home :-D

SemiD4rkness · December 2015

This game is so poorly designed.... always exploits of some kind and it takes years to fix.

Torbschka · December 2015

Is this 100% bug also on console? Does that mean, if u dual wield you only need 1 axe and it will still be 100% up all the time? O.O

Docmandu · December 2015

btw.. the bleed in the screenshot is from a WW attack.. not that it matters.

Morozov · December 2015

WW light attacks bleed..........axes bleed..............hmmmmm, stack stack stackity stackstackstack

Tankqull · December 2015

Torbschka wrote: »

Is this 100% bug also on console? Does that mean, if u dual wield you only need 1 axe and it will still be 100% up all the time? O.O

that bug is tied to 2h as it seems. happens once in a blue moon with only one DW axe.