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Should Champion Points be disabled in Non-Vet PVP?
GorraShatan
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Should Champion Points be disabled in Non-Vet PVP
Edited by GorraShatan on 12 June 2015 18:06 Should Champion Points be disabled in Non-Vet PVP? 108 votes
Yes. The point of non-vet PvP is to provide a relatively balanced playing field for newer players, and Champion Point buffs detract from that.
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61 votes
No. I earned my Champion Points and I want to use them in non-vet PVP.
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40 votes
All I know is my gut says maybe.
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✭✭✭✭✭Simple yes or no, the narrative biases your poll in favor of the yes option
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes. The point of non-vet PvP is to provide a relatively balanced playing field for newer players, and Champion Point buffs detract from that.Yes, they shouldn't be there ...0 -
k2blader✭✭✭✭✭Simple yes or no, the narrative biases your poll in favor of the yes option
therefore I refuse to vote
I think the wording pretty accurately sums up the basic argument on either side.
An aside: Do folks see CPs affecting nonvet more than they should? Cuz I can see it in vet, very easily. CPs are an issue all around when it comes down to it.
edit: typo
Edited by k2blader on 12 June 2015 20:12Disabling the grass may improve performance.0 -
KriHavok✭✭✭✭No. I earned my Champion Points and I want to use them in non-vet PVP.Personally, I think not, because some people prefer PvP as a source of level gaining and CP gaining (despite it being slightly slower). ESO focuses a lot on freedom for the player, and I believe being able to choose how you want to primarily progress is an important factor to this.Edited by KriHavok on 12 June 2015 20:20UESP Staffer & Wiki Editor0
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GorraShatan✭✭✭✭Yes. The point of non-vet PvP is to provide a relatively balanced playing field for newer players, and Champion Point buffs detract from that.Simple yes or no, the narrative biases your poll in favor of the yes option
therefore I refuse to vote
Please. All I know is my gut says maybe is clearly the sexiest answer.0 -
GorraShatan✭✭✭✭Yes. The point of non-vet PvP is to provide a relatively balanced playing field for newer players, and Champion Point buffs detract from that.Simple yes or no, the narrative biases your poll in favor of the yes option
therefore I refuse to vote
I think the wording pretty accurately sums up the basic argument on either side.
An aside: Do folks see CPs affecting nonvet more than they should? Cuz I can see it in vet, very easily. CPs are an issue all around when it comes down to it.
edit: typo
I didn't think it was a big deal until last night one of our guildies said he needed to grind out another 100 CP before making a new non-vet toon.0 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes. The point of non-vet PvP is to provide a relatively balanced playing field for newer players, and Champion Point buffs detract from that.Personally, I think not, because some people prefer PvP as a source of level gaining and CP gaining (despite it being slightly slower). ESO focuses a lot on freedom for the player, and I believe being able to choose how you want to primarily progress is an important factor to this.
If I understand it correctly, you do not accumulate CPs while playing a nonvet character in Backwater Blade.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.0 -
k2blader✭✭✭✭✭GorraShatan wrote: »Simple yes or no, the narrative biases your poll in favor of the yes option
therefore I refuse to vote
I think the wording pretty accurately sums up the basic argument on either side.
An aside: Do folks see CPs affecting nonvet more than they should? Cuz I can see it in vet, very easily. CPs are an issue all around when it comes down to it.
edit: typo
I didn't think it was a big deal until last night one of our guildies said he needed to grind out another 100 CP before making a new non-vet toon.
Just wow.
Another option is the person could do the grind, deck himself out in nirn, and come over to vet, spamming da stamina skillz.
j/k
>_<
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GorraShatan✭✭✭✭Yes. The point of non-vet PvP is to provide a relatively balanced playing field for newer players, and Champion Point buffs detract from that.GorraShatan wrote: »Simple yes or no, the narrative biases your poll in favor of the yes option
therefore I refuse to vote
I think the wording pretty accurately sums up the basic argument on either side.
An aside: Do folks see CPs affecting nonvet more than they should? Cuz I can see it in vet, very easily. CPs are an issue all around when it comes down to it.
edit: typo
I didn't think it was a big deal until last night one of our guildies said he needed to grind out another 100 CP before making a new non-vet toon.
Just wow.
Another option is the person could do the grind, deck himself out in nirn, and come over to vet, spamming da stamina skillz.
j/k
>_<
They really need to fix vet.
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Nallenil✭✭✭Yes. The point of non-vet PvP is to provide a relatively balanced playing field for newer players, and Champion Point buffs detract from that.Tired of people with infinite dodge roll, shields and permanent 10k wrecking blow hits on non vet pvp.0
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AlcastClass RepresentativeYes. The point of non-vet PvP is to provide a relatively balanced playing field for newer players, and Champion Point buffs detract from that.I hate CP in general, remove them all from the game.
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Dru1076✭✭✭✭Yes. The point of non-vet PvP is to provide a relatively balanced playing field for newer players, and Champion Point buffs detract from that.Failing this, or even in addition to this idea, I would like to see a few campaigns set up around champion point ranks. With xp boosters out of reach for a casual like me, i think the game is going to need this. When I first started, there were no champion points, and I was working toward being on a level playing field at some point. But with xp boosters allowing established players to pull further ahead even faster (There are players already using them) I think its going make Cyrodil very unattractive to new players. I was happy about the champion point system before I realised it will take me three years to reach the 1000 points many will have in a few months. And I was happy about xp boosters before I realised I need seven fragments of a recipe I can only get one shot a day at getting (0/4 so far). I understand now that these boosters are not for me, but for the benefit of hard core gamers... it will be much harder unless I want to P2W.
When I began this journey, there was a destination I could reach where I would have had the same chance of winning as everybody else. That was great thing about this game and that's gone now. But campaigns pitting players of similar champion point levels against each other could give us that back.Edited by Dru1076 on 18 June 2015 09:45Ask not what your sweetroll can do for you....0 -
hammayolettuce✭✭✭✭✭
✭No. I earned my Champion Points and I want to use them in non-vet PVP.I don't actually have very much CP because I stopped playing my vet characters *ages* ago. I fight against other people who I know have more CP than I do, and it isn't a problem for me.♥ Snü (Magicka DK) ♥ Thnu (Stamplar) ♥ Pizza for Breakfast (Magplar) ♥ Sparklefingers (Magicka Sorc) ♥♥ Bean and Cheese Burrito (Magicka DK) ♥ Snurrito (Stamplar) ♥DARFAL COVANT2 -
SturgeHammer✭✭✭✭All I know is my gut says maybe.I have no strong feelings one way or the other.First-in-Line - Swings-for-Lethal
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✭No. I earned my Champion Points and I want to use them in non-vet PVP.the point of non-vet is to provide pvp grounds for non-vet toons free from veteran influence for people leveling toons. It is not meant to provide a ground for balancing the game for new players. battle leveling is a way for players to be put on par with the npc in pvp b/c ZOS copies and pastes the servers b/c it is easier rather than changing it for non-vet. It was also introduced for a balancing of players who are low-level vets fighting in vet campaigns aginst v14 players. some players are going to be better than others and have better abilities, etc. it is just the way these games work and your time and effort in the game should be reflected in your toons.0 -
Poxheart✭✭✭✭✭What I'd like to see is a non-vet campaign where everybody has a set amount of champion points to allocate (say 300). Gear and CP allocation would allow people to differentiate themselves, but stats would be normalized & skills would still have to be unlocked as a form of progression.Unsubbed and no longer playing, but still checking the Alliance War forum for the lulz.
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OtarTheMad✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No. I earned my Champion Points and I want to use them in non-vet PVP.Honestly it's not like the players stay in the non-veteran campaign forever. Eventually you hit Veteran rank and can start to earn champion points and can apply them to the lower level characters you might create or have so... I don't think it's needed.0 -
BurtFreeman✭✭✭i don't know if i understood well, but i would like to remove CP from Vet, becouse newbie may need a buff, instead veteran may need to master each skill in a original way.
anyway i will like to append at the player name - title, a couple of icons that show you are not use CP and other buff like provisoning, in a way a new brotherhood of pure warriors will rise from ashes0 -
iTzStevey✭✭✭Yes. The point of non-vet PvP is to provide a relatively balanced playing field for newer players, and Champion Point buffs detract from that.Yes they should, especially in non vet campaigns. You don't earn CP until you hit veteran ranks, so non vet players shouldn't be able to take advantage of them atall,ever, no matter what lever your main is.0
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✭hammayolettuce wrote: »I don't actually have very much CP because I stopped playing my vet characters *ages* ago. I fight against other people who I know have more CP than I do, and it isn't a problem for me.
Same goes for me.. think I have somewhere around 120CP.. been playing BWB almost exclusively and never felt like CP was an issue.
People just like to cry.. and blame their loss on everything but themselves I guess.
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SC0TY999✭✭✭✭No. I earned my Champion Points and I want to use them in non-vet PVP.I often wonder why the CP system is active on non-veteran players after all it's a veteran progression system.
Seems a bit double dutch that you can use CP on non-vet chars.
Kind hardly say I'm surprised it's like this though what with ZOS's lack of logic.0 -
Yasha✭✭✭✭✭Yes. The point of non-vet PvP is to provide a relatively balanced playing field for newer players, and Champion Point buffs detract from that.Yes. In my opinion CP breaks the Non-Vet campaign. I am grinding CP now so that I can have a OP toon in BB, and many people have probably done the same thing. I realize that for people that have put long hours into grinding to get CP for their BB toons it will feel like all that time has been wasted. However, we will would still be able to use CP on our Vet characters so it is not a total waste.
I don't have a lot of time to play, and I enjoyed rolling alts to play on BB because you could be competitive without having to sink in a lot of pve/grinding time. However, now I basically have to spend my limited time grinding mobs in pve to get CP, which is not much fun to be honest.0 -
Night-claw✭✭✭No. I earned my Champion Points and I want to use them in non-vet PVP.No cp is a thing now deal with it.0 -
Yasha✭✭✭✭✭Yes. The point of non-vet PvP is to provide a relatively balanced playing field for newer players, and Champion Point buffs detract from that.hammayolettuce wrote: »I don't actually have very much CP because I stopped playing my vet characters *ages* ago. I fight against other people who I know have more CP than I do, and it isn't a problem for me.
Same goes for me.. think I have somewhere around 120CP.. been playing BWB almost exclusively and never felt like CP was an issue.
People just like to cry.. and blame their loss on everything but themselves I guess.
If I had 120 CP I probably wouldn't think CP was an issue either.....; frightening to think that some people have substantially more CP than that.Edited by Yasha on 21 June 2015 23:350 -
sagent64✭✭Yes. The point of non-vet PvP is to provide a relatively balanced playing field for newer players, and Champion Point buffs detract from that.CP points in non vet should be removed unless ... if you guys dont agree with this then you're one of those players in non vet with high cp and just relying on it... go to vet pvp you dmn high cp players0
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✭Yes. The point of non-vet PvP is to provide a relatively balanced playing field for newer players, and Champion Point buffs detract from that.Just when I think someone has a good counter argument to the debate, Joy comes in here and uses all that dang logic to take home the cake.'Chaos0 -
SoulScream✭✭✭✭✭Yes. The point of non-vet PvP is to provide a relatively balanced playing field for newer players, and Champion Point buffs detract from that.Make two non vet camps one with cp and one without.0
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Rust_in_Peace✭✭✭✭✭Yes. The point of non-vet PvP is to provide a relatively balanced playing field for newer players, and Champion Point buffs detract from that.I say yes but I think you should still earn CP while playing a non-vet character, even if you can't use it in pvp.0 -
lolo_01b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No. I earned my Champion Points and I want to use them in non-vet PVP.In fights between a new and an experienced player taking away cp wouldn't help the new player much. If someone doesn't know how to break cc, doesn't use cc on me and tries to break through my harness magicka with hard casted crystal fragments, taking 25% less damage won't save him. And I don't think it will matter much for a group of new players if they constantly loose against an experienced player in a 1v10 or 1v15, both will be frustrating.
In my opinion bwb should stay as it is, a campaign where experienced players can have fun with new characters and figure out how they work before joining vet pvp.
Additionally I'd like to see a "rookie campaign" where you can only join if you never had a character with an alliance rank higher than 10 (number can be discussed). There you could disable cp and players who are new to pvp could get their first experience in a fair combat situation.0
