KostasDragonborn wrote: »

ostrapz wrote: »

For starters this is not for trolling. A v9 stam nb on xbx, my only toon. Many nerf threads for nb, admittedly probaby best class atm, but not invincible. I do not believe a nerf is needed. The flare from pvp definitely could use some sort of buff. Also I will admit a min/max stam nb hits extremely hard but when you piercing mark them they literally crumble. Understand alot of nb are immature, trolls, or just plain bad. Also a side note, zos has said they will not be nerfing cloak, only change they will be making is a magicka regen decline while cloaked. To begin i will start with general things then go to to specifics. Always best to get in open terrain, i have fooled many people in a fight by simply running behind a tree to hide my emblem above my head till i can regen. Try not to chase a nb, the class is built for escape and any class but sorc will run out of resources before u get to them. If you beat a nb and he runs off chalk it as a win and leave .You must cc as often as possible and apply pressure, if it looks like your getting the upper hand save ur cc till they get to low enuff health to burst them down. Now for specifics.

Magelight is first, can help abosrb alot of sneak damage and is a deterrent to me for a potential target. That being said , it is supposed to stop sneaking stuns, i dueled someone running it, unaware if they had radiant or not but i got my suprise attack stuns off fine so in that aspect may be bugged. The detection radius isnt great either but it definitely helps.

Caltrops can be good if you are a bit tanky dk or templar. A big stam cost but it gives you a safe bubble. Throw it down , stand in the middle, and buff up. Impossible to cloak up , small dot, snare on it is key. If he junps in with ambush just fight em and save ur cc until he trys to escape , which if ur competent you should destroy him here. If they try to range you dk,flap your wings, templar heal, sorc stack sheild, dps shouldnt be able to get you from range. If they are to scared to get in range after 20seconds of that then they are a troll, sorry,, nothing you can really do but rush at that point.

Don't really use magicka weapons, but steel tornado in a the direction of a cloaking nb and you can sometimes rip the cloak. Wreckig blow follows a nb even after they cloack if you know their general direction. Bombard can help too but idk if anyone uses it lol.


Now for classes.

Sorcs are best equipped to beat Nb. I have the most trouble against an aggresive sorc. Stack your sheild and then go, many sorcs lose to me cuz once the blue leaves their hp bar they retreat to stack again, you will need to keep pressure to out-dps. Mines can be used offensively and defensively, an average nb will step right on them if you stick by them. Curse should be applied the entire fight, can be buggy and really destroy my cloak. Once you see a nb cloak streak , it has a wide radius, if you get the stun take advantage and throw those frags, a good nb will dodge if they arent cc'ed so thats your chance to win.


Dk is next difficult, mostly because if you are tanky you can avoid falling to pieces from a gank. Don't know a dk personally so don't know move names. This brings back caltrops from earlier. I can have some really long fights because of their sustain, but lack of dps. If you don't caltrop your only real hope is to get their hp low, snare and get some dot from fire, use your chain to gap close if they run. Immovable can help, and whatver move that purges my armor break debuff is critical. A good dk and good nb can be neverending though. Eventually they might just leave lol.

Tenplar isnt equipped very well for a few reasons, a few moves are key though. Your best bet is to continue cc breaking with javelin and keeping hp up till you get a good opening. I personally cant outdps the ultimate heal but may be because im not fully stamina specced or geared yet. Shards can pull out of stealth, but the best attack is the spear move, i think its called piercing strikes. It is really really annoying to fight. Spam that ***, it will stop cloaking and is decent dps, a knockback i believe too. Drop that meter aoe on top too if you have it.

Nb, use piercing mark.

This mostly for cyro, in the sewers all you can really do is mines runes ad caltrop the area. Nb have advantage here, but why would'nt they . If you chase u just pull mobs. Just stick with your group , watch hp, and stay aware. Unless they are very good they are more of a nuisance than a problem when i run wit my group.

As a closing statement, a nb is meant to do damage at a high rate and escape, that is by design. Alot of people get mad when you get ganked on your horse and die, sace your stam. Or when they leave their keep and get ganked outside it, but die and go back the same way. If you fight a small group of nightblades and they are ressing their is honestly nothing you can do, just leave. Most importantly if you get ganked, and turn around and whoop the nb and he runs that does'nt mean nb is op cuz you didnt kill him, thats by design, you won the fight. If you chase or stand and wait for him to go back and die it's your own fault. Its almost comical watching a group of 6 who waste 10minutes trying to find 1 nb. Just to kill him and find out, .. Wait for it.. He will respawn. When fighting a nb keep pressure on him, especially when hes low hp, even if you are too, if he escapes for more than 15 seconds he is no longer pressured and its time to go.
Curious to here some serious input, maybe some other classes opinions.

Most of your solutions are based on being in a fight with an NB, being aware of an NB's presence in your near vicinity, already having made contact. However, the issue is that an out of stealth or revealed player is rendered incapacitated with no possibility to break-free, move, or dodge (even with a full stamina pool).

The only "preventative solution" is Radiant Mage Light, which gives you a -5% Health penalty, and a -5% Magicka penalty for not being able to slot Inner Light. The sacrifice is not proportionate to the threat, or the frequency of its occurrence.

We went on the PTS today to duel and tested out having my NB guildie attack me out of stealth. When attacked by a fully charged heavy attack from stealth I was stunned, could not break-free, or dodge roll for at least 2 seconds. Those two seconds are usually summed up on your death recap during which you received enough consecutive physical damage to deplete your entire health pool.

You cannot have immovable pots up constantly, you cannot just stand inside of caltrops in the middle of Imperial City hoping for an NB to appear, most builds (especially Magicka builds) cannot constantly have Immovable active. Since NB's (not the good ones IMO) already attack you out of stealth and deal massive damage and have the advantage of the element of surprise by design. Couple that with a couple of seconds where the target is completely incapacitated and it's just ***, and breeds a certain type of skulking, cowardly, low skill player and crap gameplay. 1v1 fights should last a while and test your build, your skills, and reflexes. It shouldn't be over within a couple of seconds during which you are unable to break-free or stun.

That being said, I am not an experienced player compared to so many, I only started ESO in July 2015. Whatever other out of stealth attack skill may be causing this unbreakable stun is unknown to me. I just know what we tested on the PTS today, and that *** was just faking ***, to put it bluntly.

Now, that I have bitched and moaned enough, I'm over it. Until I find a viable counter that doesn't include Radiant Mage Light or supernatural spider senses.

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

KostasDragonborn wrote: »

ostrapz wrote: »

For starters this is not for trolling. A v9 stam nb on xbx, my only toon. Many nerf threads for nb, admittedly probaby best class atm, but not invincible. I do not believe a nerf is needed. The flare from pvp definitely could use some sort of buff. Also I will admit a min/max stam nb hits extremely hard but when you piercing mark them they literally crumble. Understand alot of nb are immature, trolls, or just plain bad. Also a side note, zos has said they will not be nerfing cloak, only change they will be making is a magicka regen decline while cloaked. To begin i will start with general things then go to to specifics. Always best to get in open terrain, i have fooled many people in a fight by simply running behind a tree to hide my emblem above my head till i can regen. Try not to chase a nb, the class is built for escape and any class but sorc will run out of resources before u get to them. If you beat a nb and he runs off chalk it as a win and leave .You must cc as often as possible and apply pressure, if it looks like your getting the upper hand save ur cc till they get to low enuff health to burst them down. Now for specifics.

Magelight is first, can help abosrb alot of sneak damage and is a deterrent to me for a potential target. That being said , it is supposed to stop sneaking stuns, i dueled someone running it, unaware if they had radiant or not but i got my suprise attack stuns off fine so in that aspect may be bugged. The detection radius isnt great either but it definitely helps.

Caltrops can be good if you are a bit tanky dk or templar. A big stam cost but it gives you a safe bubble. Throw it down , stand in the middle, and buff up. Impossible to cloak up , small dot, snare on it is key. If he junps in with ambush just fight em and save ur cc until he trys to escape , which if ur competent you should destroy him here. If they try to range you dk,flap your wings, templar heal, sorc stack sheild, dps shouldnt be able to get you from range. If they are to scared to get in range after 20seconds of that then they are a troll, sorry,, nothing you can really do but rush at that point.

Don't really use magicka weapons, but steel tornado in a the direction of a cloaking nb and you can sometimes rip the cloak. Wreckig blow follows a nb even after they cloack if you know their general direction. Bombard can help too but idk if anyone uses it lol.


Now for classes.

Sorcs are best equipped to beat Nb. I have the most trouble against an aggresive sorc. Stack your sheild and then go, many sorcs lose to me cuz once the blue leaves their hp bar they retreat to stack again, you will need to keep pressure to out-dps. Mines can be used offensively and defensively, an average nb will step right on them if you stick by them. Curse should be applied the entire fight, can be buggy and really destroy my cloak. Once you see a nb cloak streak , it has a wide radius, if you get the stun take advantage and throw those frags, a good nb will dodge if they arent cc'ed so thats your chance to win.


Dk is next difficult, mostly because if you are tanky you can avoid falling to pieces from a gank. Don't know a dk personally so don't know move names. This brings back caltrops from earlier. I can have some really long fights because of their sustain, but lack of dps. If you don't caltrop your only real hope is to get their hp low, snare and get some dot from fire, use your chain to gap close if they run. Immovable can help, and whatver move that purges my armor break debuff is critical. A good dk and good nb can be neverending though. Eventually they might just leave lol.

Tenplar isnt equipped very well for a few reasons, a few moves are key though. Your best bet is to continue cc breaking with javelin and keeping hp up till you get a good opening. I personally cant outdps the ultimate heal but may be because im not fully stamina specced or geared yet. Shards can pull out of stealth, but the best attack is the spear move, i think its called piercing strikes. It is really really annoying to fight. Spam that ***, it will stop cloaking and is decent dps, a knockback i believe too. Drop that meter aoe on top too if you have it.

Nb, use piercing mark.

This mostly for cyro, in the sewers all you can really do is mines runes ad caltrop the area. Nb have advantage here, but why would'nt they . If you chase u just pull mobs. Just stick with your group , watch hp, and stay aware. Unless they are very good they are more of a nuisance than a problem when i run wit my group.

As a closing statement, a nb is meant to do damage at a high rate and escape, that is by design. Alot of people get mad when you get ganked on your horse and die, sace your stam. Or when they leave their keep and get ganked outside it, but die and go back the same way. If you fight a small group of nightblades and they are ressing their is honestly nothing you can do, just leave. Most importantly if you get ganked, and turn around and whoop the nb and he runs that does'nt mean nb is op cuz you didnt kill him, thats by design, you won the fight. If you chase or stand and wait for him to go back and die it's your own fault. Its almost comical watching a group of 6 who waste 10minutes trying to find 1 nb. Just to kill him and find out, .. Wait for it.. He will respawn. When fighting a nb keep pressure on him, especially when hes low hp, even if you are too, if he escapes for more than 15 seconds he is no longer pressured and its time to go.
Curious to here some serious input, maybe some other classes opinions.

Most of your solutions are based on being in a fight with an NB, being aware of an NB's presence in your near vicinity, already having made contact. However, the issue is that an out of stealth or revealed player is rendered incapacitated with no possibility to break-free, move, or dodge (even with a full stamina pool).

The only "preventative solution" is Radiant Mage Light, which gives you a -5% Health penalty, and a -5% Magicka penalty for not being able to slot Inner Light. The sacrifice is not proportionate to the threat, or the frequency of its occurrence.

We went on the PTS today to duel and tested out having my NB guildie attack me out of stealth. When attacked by a fully charged heavy attack from stealth I was stunned, could not break-free, or dodge roll for at least 2 seconds. Those two seconds are usually summed up on your death recap during which you received enough consecutive physical damage to deplete your entire health pool.

You cannot have immovable pots up constantly, you cannot just stand inside of caltrops in the middle of Imperial City hoping for an NB to appear, most builds (especially Magicka builds) cannot constantly have Immovable active. Since NB's (not the good ones IMO) already attack you out of stealth and deal massive damage and have the advantage of the element of surprise by design. Couple that with a couple of seconds where the target is completely incapacitated and it's just ***, and breeds a certain type of skulking, cowardly, low skill player and crap gameplay. 1v1 fights should last a while and test your build, your skills, and reflexes. It shouldn't be over within a couple of seconds during which you are unable to break-free or stun.

That being said, I am not an experienced player compared to so many, I only started ESO in July 2015. Whatever other out of stealth attack skill may be causing this unbreakable stun is unknown to me. I just know what we tested on the PTS today, and that *** was just faking ***, to put it bluntly.

Now, that I have bitched and moaned enough, I'm over it. Until I find a viable counter that doesn't include Radiant Mage Light or supernatural spider senses.

I've experienced the part in bold myself, but I think it's an issue with the game rather than an issue with nb class. Dueled a bursty mageblade a fair bit last week and he beat me a few times. When he beat me he was able to do it in less than 5 seconds by ambushing from stealth with proxy det and then fearing me. This was his opening move and I was always expecting it, and when I was able to instantly break free is was no problem, just a streak through him and I was out of det range with him now stunned and a frag proc'd and mines down. But on a couple of occasions I simply wasn't able to break out of his opening fear, despite having full stam due to it being the start of the fight, and then obviously he was able to finish me off before the fear naturally ended.

This is clearly a bug because we should be able to break free with full stam 100% of the time. The fact that we can't isn't the fault of the NB but the shoddy net code in this game. There is a similar issue with cc immunity not applying after a successful break free.

I've never played a NB so I don't know if they ever work out how to recreate and exploit this bug, but I will give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they can't help it.

KostasDragonborn wrote: »

ostrapz wrote: »

For starters this is not for trolling. A v9 stam nb on xbx, my only toon. Many nerf threads for nb, admittedly probaby best class atm, but not invincible. I do not believe a nerf is needed. The flare from pvp definitely could use some sort of buff. Also I will admit a min/max stam nb hits extremely hard but when you piercing mark them they literally crumble. Understand alot of nb are immature, trolls, or just plain bad. Also a side note, zos has said they will not be nerfing cloak, only change they will be making is a magicka regen decline while cloaked. To begin i will start with general things then go to to specifics. Always best to get in open terrain, i have fooled many people in a fight by simply running behind a tree to hide my emblem above my head till i can regen. Try not to chase a nb, the class is built for escape and any class but sorc will run out of resources before u get to them. If you beat a nb and he runs off chalk it as a win and leave .You must cc as often as possible and apply pressure, if it looks like your getting the upper hand save ur cc till they get to low enuff health to burst them down. Now for specifics.

Magelight is first, can help abosrb alot of sneak damage and is a deterrent to me for a potential target. That being said , it is supposed to stop sneaking stuns, i dueled someone running it, unaware if they had radiant or not but i got my suprise attack stuns off fine so in that aspect may be bugged. The detection radius isnt great either but it definitely helps.

Caltrops can be good if you are a bit tanky dk or templar. A big stam cost but it gives you a safe bubble. Throw it down , stand in the middle, and buff up. Impossible to cloak up , small dot, snare on it is key. If he junps in with ambush just fight em and save ur cc until he trys to escape , which if ur competent you should destroy him here. If they try to range you dk,flap your wings, templar heal, sorc stack sheild, dps shouldnt be able to get you from range. If they are to scared to get in range after 20seconds of that then they are a troll, sorry,, nothing you can really do but rush at that point.

Don't really use magicka weapons, but steel tornado in a the direction of a cloaking nb and you can sometimes rip the cloak. Wreckig blow follows a nb even after they cloack if you know their general direction. Bombard can help too but idk if anyone uses it lol.


Now for classes.

Sorcs are best equipped to beat Nb. I have the most trouble against an aggresive sorc. Stack your sheild and then go, many sorcs lose to me cuz once the blue leaves their hp bar they retreat to stack again, you will need to keep pressure to out-dps. Mines can be used offensively and defensively, an average nb will step right on them if you stick by them. Curse should be applied the entire fight, can be buggy and really destroy my cloak. Once you see a nb cloak streak , it has a wide radius, if you get the stun take advantage and throw those frags, a good nb will dodge if they arent cc'ed so thats your chance to win.


Dk is next difficult, mostly because if you are tanky you can avoid falling to pieces from a gank. Don't know a dk personally so don't know move names. This brings back caltrops from earlier. I can have some really long fights because of their sustain, but lack of dps. If you don't caltrop your only real hope is to get their hp low, snare and get some dot from fire, use your chain to gap close if they run. Immovable can help, and whatver move that purges my armor break debuff is critical. A good dk and good nb can be neverending though. Eventually they might just leave lol.

Tenplar isnt equipped very well for a few reasons, a few moves are key though. Your best bet is to continue cc breaking with javelin and keeping hp up till you get a good opening. I personally cant outdps the ultimate heal but may be because im not fully stamina specced or geared yet. Shards can pull out of stealth, but the best attack is the spear move, i think its called piercing strikes. It is really really annoying to fight. Spam that ***, it will stop cloaking and is decent dps, a knockback i believe too. Drop that meter aoe on top too if you have it.

Nb, use piercing mark.

This mostly for cyro, in the sewers all you can really do is mines runes ad caltrop the area. Nb have advantage here, but why would'nt they . If you chase u just pull mobs. Just stick with your group , watch hp, and stay aware. Unless they are very good they are more of a nuisance than a problem when i run wit my group.

As a closing statement, a nb is meant to do damage at a high rate and escape, that is by design. Alot of people get mad when you get ganked on your horse and die, sace your stam. Or when they leave their keep and get ganked outside it, but die and go back the same way. If you fight a small group of nightblades and they are ressing their is honestly nothing you can do, just leave. Most importantly if you get ganked, and turn around and whoop the nb and he runs that does'nt mean nb is op cuz you didnt kill him, thats by design, you won the fight. If you chase or stand and wait for him to go back and die it's your own fault. Its almost comical watching a group of 6 who waste 10minutes trying to find 1 nb. Just to kill him and find out, .. Wait for it.. He will respawn. When fighting a nb keep pressure on him, especially when hes low hp, even if you are too, if he escapes for more than 15 seconds he is no longer pressured and its time to go.
Curious to here some serious input, maybe some other classes opinions.

Most of your solutions are based on being in a fight with an NB, being aware of an NB's presence in your near vicinity, already having made contact. However, the issue is that an out of stealth or revealed player is rendered incapacitated with no possibility to break-free, move, or dodge (even with a full stamina pool).

The only "preventative solution" is Radiant Mage Light, which gives you a -5% Health penalty, and a -5% Magicka penalty for not being able to slot Inner Light. The sacrifice is not proportionate to the threat, or the frequency of its occurrence.

We went on the PTS today to duel and tested out having my NB guildie attack me out of stealth. When attacked by a fully charged heavy attack from stealth I was stunned, could not break-free, or dodge roll for at least 2 seconds. Those two seconds are usually summed up on your death recap during which you received enough consecutive physical damage to deplete your entire health pool.

You cannot have immovable pots up constantly, you cannot just stand inside of caltrops in the middle of Imperial City hoping for an NB to appear, most builds (especially Magicka builds) cannot constantly have Immovable active. Since NB's (not the good ones IMO) already attack you out of stealth and deal massive damage and have the advantage of the element of surprise by design. Couple that with a couple of seconds where the target is completely incapacitated and it's just ***, and breeds a certain type of skulking, cowardly, low skill player and crap gameplay. 1v1 fights should last a while and test your build, your skills, and reflexes. It shouldn't be over within a couple of seconds during which you are unable to break-free or stun.

That being said, I am not an experienced player compared to so many, I only started ESO in July 2015. Whatever other out of stealth attack skill may be causing this unbreakable stun is unknown to me. I just know what we tested on the PTS today, and that *** was just faking ***, to put it bluntly.

Now, that I have bitched and moaned enough, I'm over it. Until I find a viable counter that doesn't include Radiant Mage Light or supernatural spider senses.

KundaliniHero wrote: »

xskinzcity wrote: »

How to kill another night blade? It's simple. Piercing mark and then whoever spams mass hysteria the most wins. Lmao

A competent magika NB will/can spam purge just as fast as you can mark them.