A streak / dodge roll nerf on Cloak would kill magicka NB while not affecting stamblade at all

KenaPKK · October 2015

Enjoy having every Nightblade in the game respec to stamina.

Is that what you really want?

Magicka NB relies on cloak more than any other class or build relies on a single class mechanic. With Cloak's unreliability, it sometimes requires spamming or use over long durations. Increasing its cost or decreasing the Nightblade's regen while cloaked would cripple the build type.

Wrecking Blows and Surprise Attack spam errywhere.

SleepyTroll · October 2015

Yea on my stamina NB I don't need cloak Magicka is better used for fear anyway.

McSwaggins · October 2015

if they do this it will probably affect stamblades more than magicka. Magicka NB's can cloak forever, stamblades can only do it about 4 times, maybe 5. If this change happens stamblades will only be able to 1-3 times, that will make a big difference in combat for stamblades. Magicka users will still be able to cloak as much as they need to. If anything, they will be the ones least affected.

Jeckll · October 2015

KenaPKK wrote: »

Magicka NB relies I rely on cloak more than any other class or build relies on a single class mechanic.

Fixed that for you.

Tannakaobi · October 2015

KenaPKK wrote: »

Enjoy having every Nightblade in the game respec to stamina.

Is that what you really want?

Magicka NB relies on cloak more than any other class or build relies on a single class mechanic. With Cloak's unreliability, it sometimes requires spamming or use over long durations. Increasing its cost or decreasing the Nightblade's regen while cloaked would cripple the build type.

Wrecking Blows and Surprise Attack spam errywhere.

If they do nerf cloak I want a free race change from an Altmer to Khajiit.

KenaPKK · October 2015

Tannakaobi wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Enjoy having every Nightblade in the game respec to stamina.

Is that what you really want?

Magicka NB relies on cloak more than any other class or build relies on a single class mechanic. With Cloak's unreliability, it sometimes requires spamming or use over long durations. Increasing its cost or decreasing the Nightblade's regen while cloaked would cripple the build type.

Wrecking Blows and Surprise Attack spam errywhere.

If they do nerf cloak I want a free race change from an Altmer to Khajiit.

Tails op!

Tannakaobi · October 2015

KenaPKK wrote: »

Tannakaobi wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Enjoy having every Nightblade in the game respec to stamina.

Is that what you really want?

Magicka NB relies on cloak more than any other class or build relies on a single class mechanic. With Cloak's unreliability, it sometimes requires spamming or use over long durations. Increasing its cost or decreasing the Nightblade's regen while cloaked would cripple the build type.

Wrecking Blows and Surprise Attack spam errywhere.

If they do nerf cloak I want a free race change from an Altmer to Khajiit.

Tails op!

I'm pretty sure I could hold a sword with my new tail....

ToRelax · October 2015

Well my Sorc relies on shields much more than my (magicka) NB relies on Cloak. I think you just don't know what you're talking about.

Ezareth · October 2015

Seriously, how many of these threads are you going to make?

Magicka regen being nerfed while invisible in cloak is not a big deal. I'm sure being permanently invisible while in combat was never intended by ZoS. Stamina nightblades are going to be impacted by this the least since they have the least magicka regen and are cloaked the least.

Nerfing Bolt Escape 7-8 times didn't destroy the Sorc class any more than nerfing cloak *once* will gimp magicka nightblades. Stop relying on your crutch and learn to play without it.

Wollust · October 2015

Oh wow you seem to be having a big crisis about the whole cloak business, considering your many threads and posts about it. Just move on and stop spamming the forums with it. This is how the game works. Now it's NBs time to get nerfed. Next will be sorcs again. Or maybe templar healing. Definitely not DK though

And no, I do not support any nerfs. But there is no point in even trying anymore.

OdinForge · October 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Seriously, how many of these threads are you going to make?

Magicka regen being nerfed while invisible in cloak is not a big deal. I'm sure being permanently invisible while in combat was never intended by ZoS. Stamina nightblades are going to be impacted by this the least since they have the least magicka regen and are cloaked the least.

Nerfing Bolt Escape 7-8 times didn't destroy the Sorc class any more than nerfing cloak *once* will gimp magicka nightblades. Stop relying on your crutch and learn to play without it.

A good NB can fight without cloak, or with minimal cloak usage. Magicka NB has some serious weakness, but relying exclusively on cloak is the biggest NB / player weakness I've seen.

Takllin · October 2015

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks".

KenaPKK · October 2015

Wollust wrote: »

Oh wow you seem to be having a big crisis about the whole cloak business, considering your many threads and posts about it. Just move on and stop spamming the forums with it. This is how the game works. Now it's NBs time to get nerfed. Next will be sorcs again. Or maybe templar healing. Definitely not DK though

And no, I do not support any nerfs. But there is no point in even trying anymore.

What an unfortunate attitude to have...

You disagree that nerfs should happen but have given up, accepting them as inevitable, even if unfair.

This is the attitude people take on shortly before they start leaving the game. I would rather fight for rational balance than accept the game as a failure.

Forestd16b14_ESO · October 2015

What is OP talking about what nerf to cloak? You mean 0 stamina regen when under it's effects jsut like block? Yea that isn't gonna solve jack there are still pleanty of players still able to perma block even with 0 stamina regen while block sure OP magical NBs who spam WB have no problem with 0 magcika regen while under a effect for 5 seconds.

Just stop with cloak post just stop.

Cathexis · October 2015

Nightblades using more than one defensive skill?

*GASP*

Yonkit · October 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Seriously, how many of these threads are you going to make?

Magicka regen being nerfed while invisible in cloak is not a big deal. I'm sure being permanently invisible while in combat was never intended by ZoS. Stamina nightblades are going to be impacted by this the least since they have the least magicka regen and are cloaked the least.

Nerfing Bolt Escape 7-8 times didn't destroy the Sorc class any more than nerfing cloak *once* will gimp magicka nightblades. Stop relying on your crutch and learn to play without it.

@Ezareth this is coming from my altar ego, not myself, but... I stopped playing my Nightblade after about ten months because of cloaks unreliability, yes, you have to spam it 3-4, sometimes more before it actually works. I'm adverse to any nerf to it simply because it still isn't 100% reliable, if they ever get it to that point, then you can tweak it, and if they do get it to that point, then nothing, and I mean nothing should be able to break it but Radiant Magelight, Detect Pots, which btw need to be buffed back up to what they were last patch, and Flare, even though Flare is crap. Otherwise I'll just retire my NB as a crafter.

As for when Cloak works, which is just about as often as it doesn't work, 50/50. Yes, it's heavily unbalanced, if you're playing against an idiot, in the dozen or so duels I've had against actual NBs, and after playing one myself for so long, you begin to predict exactly where they're going to strike from, especially if they use the shade. I still remember this DC ganker accusing me of using detect potions in our duel because I'd basically 'see' him through cloak just because I know exactly what'd I'd do if I was him.

If they change it to have zero magic regeneration while cloaked, it won't matter, as Magblades will simply stack cost reduction and whittle you down with DoTs and guerrilla tactics, and you'd never catch them anyway. Stamblades would be hurt most by any nerf to cloak, it's just silly to nerf something that really, doesn't require a nerf, there's so many counters, and the ability is still an unreliable PoS. Just ask @Lord_Hev I alt f4'd and turned off my computer a few days ago because I was playing my NB and cloak refused to work three *** times in a row... It's like flipping a dice every time you cast the ability, only the dice is two sided with a trollface on one side and a middle finger on the other.

Alas, if it gets nerfed it gets nerfed, and it probably will. Because ZoS caters to all the people that can't play this game without shoving both thumbs up their ass and crying about how X is OP because they're stupid or refuse to make room for the counters to X. Either way, prolly be gone for good in the next week or so, depends on how long KotFE can keep me busy in SWTOR.

As for Cloak being considered a crutch, no *** sherlock, give me a self heal and I won't even bother to slot it.

And no, I don't mean some PoS HoT that can get cut to 500 heals a second because of befoul.

Master_Kas · October 2015

KenaPKK wrote: »

Enjoy having every Nightblade in the game respec to stamina.

Is that what you really want?

Magicka NB relies on cloak more than any other class or build relies on a single class mechanic. With Cloak's unreliability, it sometimes requires spamming or use over long durations. Increasing its cost or decreasing the Nightblade's regen while cloaked would cripple the build type.

Wrecking Blows and Surprise Attack spam errywhere.

Stop writing fake stuff. It will impact stamnbs more than magicka nbs.

Magicka nbs with their big magicka pool and reduced cost will still be able to "permacloak" while stamina nbs who cannot dodgeroll forever anymore, will be able to use cloak even less. Such BS thread.

Lava_Croft · October 2015

Threads should be about nerfing Stamina Nightblades, not Shadow Cloak.

OdinForge · October 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Threads should be about nerfing Stamina Nightblades, not Shadow Cloak.

There shouldn't be any nerf threads period, this game is dumbed down to the max. If you're still struggling to the point where you feel something should be nerfed, that's sad.

KenaPKK · October 2015

Yonk, keep in mind the the "nerf cloak" crowd don't actually play much nightblade.

OdinForge wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Threads should be about nerfing Stamina Nightblades, not Shadow Cloak.

There shouldn't be any nerf threads period, this game is dumbed down to the max. If you're still struggling to the point where you feel something should be nerfed, that's sad.

Then we should have buff threads.

Please buff magicka damage to be on par with stamina damage.

Yonkit · October 2015

KenaPKK wrote: »

Yonk, keep in mind the the "nerf cloak" crowd don't actually play much nightblade.

OdinForge wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Threads should be about nerfing Stamina Nightblades, not Shadow Cloak.

There shouldn't be any nerf threads period, this game is dumbed down to the max. If you're still struggling to the point where you feel something should be nerfed, that's sad.

Then we should have buff threads.

Please buff magicka damage to be on par with stamina damage.

It already is. You're not playing it correctly.

SirDopey · October 2015

KenaPKK wrote: »

Enjoy having every Nightblade in the game respec to stamina.

Is that what you really want?

Magicka NB relies on cloak more than any other class or build relies on a single class mechanic. With Cloak's unreliability, it sometimes requires spamming or use over long durations. Increasing its cost or decreasing the Nightblade's regen while cloaked would cripple the build type.

Wrecking Blows and Surprise Attack spam errywhere.

L2P

Cody · October 2015

it will impact stamina NBs more than magicka:/ I honestly doubt any kind of nerf to cloak will affect a manablades cloaking ability. stamblades on the other hand.....

no point in fighting it. Cloak is now the new hated ability. Once its nerfed, some other ability will be chosen to be thrown on the hate wagon. either do what I and others have done and just switch classes, switch to a mana blade, or come to accept the fact that people want stamblades to do nothing but spam wrecking blow and fear.

I'm sure you can find some way to cope if you play a stamblade........ you will have no self heals save an easily negatable HoT, no good damage shields unless you invest heavily in heath for the undaunted one, and you will have no survival ability save perhaps the limited and highly situational shadow image..... crap, i'm fighting it! curse my hypocrisy!!!! Sithis end me now!!!!!!

Anyway, best accept the incoming nerf. I doubt it will be TOO bad, as ZOS themselves have stated there are plenty of counters for it. I bet it gets the BE treatment, which honestly would not be THAT bad; if you play a manablade that is.

JDar · October 2015

Yonkit wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Yonk, keep in mind the the "nerf cloak" crowd don't actually play much nightblade.

OdinForge wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Threads should be about nerfing Stamina Nightblades, not Shadow Cloak.

There shouldn't be any nerf threads period, this game is dumbed down to the max. If you're still struggling to the point where you feel something should be nerfed, that's sad.

Then we should have buff threads.

Please buff magicka damage to be on par with stamina damage.

It already is. You're not playing it correctly.

Have you finished your magicka build yet? Tell us how you get 9000 Concealed Weapon hits like I see from Surprise Attack.

Jeckll · October 2015

KenaPKK wrote: »

Please buff magicka damage to be on par with stamina damage.

Yeah, lets have all classes and speccs be equal...so much for diversity. Magicka Nightblades have unlimited resources, unsane offheals, massive utility and can be a full healer, full tank and DPS just by switching skills and some gear pieces.

It's obvious that you should get the same damage results as a Stamina Nightblade who needs Spear/Repentance/Potions to sustain, doesnt have a buildin group heal or other utility in his dps skills and can only be a okayish tank and a no healer.