Please Make a Vvardenfell

nimander99 · October 2015

Yeah @UrQuan and the rest of y'all, I should have been more concise in my post, I didn't mean to suggest that it was open to colonization as it is mainly just Dunmer living there but that doesn't mean those Dunmer don't have problems that the Hero's of Tamriel couldn't come and help out with

Of course many things will be very different from the Vvardenfell of Morrowind the game, but also many things will be the same. There is already (in the time of ESO) so many major historical events that have happened on that island that it would be absurd for ZoS not to let us play in that sandbox in the future

WarrioroftheWind_ESO · October 2015

I think this (ESO) time period is about the time Dagoth Ur awakened and began gathering his forces quietly, only being discovered when the Tribunal tried to replenish their powers. If you paid attention to dialog in Ebonheart and Mournhold, the Tribunal have their hands full both fighting Ur and maintaining their image to their adoring masses. Almalexia herself sounds jittery about the slightest dent in her holy image. I don't see Vvardenfell being unlocked anytime in the immediate future (withing the next year or two) but I can imagine a plot involving the Tribunal discreetly asking for adventurers to enter the sub-continent, perhaps under the guise of inviting them to loot ancient dungeons and caves for exploration or loot, not telling people that sixth house bases are being secretly constructed within/out the borders of the Ghostfence.

It's not that far of a stretch. Just like the plot of the Wrothgar DLC, in the 3rd era there was a orcish king who aspired to elevate Orsinium to glory, trying to steer orcs from their traditional worship of Malacath. He even tried to apply for provincial status (that plan got the kibosh thanks to the Oblivion Crisis and the end of the Septim Dynasty).

I think a couple years later, maybe decades? two of Kagrenac's Tools are lost, really screwing over the Tribunal, but for now they're using Temple resources to keep the 6th House relatively contained. (maybe this is about the time the Ghostfence is constructed?)

I doubt we'll see Pelegiad or Tel Vos, but people like Mistress Dratha and Divayth Fyr would definitely be alive, being versed in mystical arts and extremely powerful.

UrQuan · October 2015

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

I think this (ESO) time period is about the time Dagoth Ur awakened and began gathering his forces quietly, only being discovered when the Tribunal tried to replenish their powers.

I'm a little fuzzy on the timeline for exactly when that happened, so I could be wrong, but I thought Dagoth Ur woke up some time after ESO. Again, though, I'm fuzzy on that detail, so I could totally be wrong.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO · October 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

I think this (ESO) time period is about the time Dagoth Ur awakened and began gathering his forces quietly, only being discovered when the Tribunal tried to replenish their powers.

I'm a little fuzzy on the timeline for exactly when that happened, so I could be wrong, but I thought Dagoth Ur woke up some time after ESO. Again, though, I'm fuzzy on that detail, so I could totally be wrong.

You're right. I looked up a timeline and it's at least 3-400 years ahead. Well that throws THAT theory out the window.

Unless they do that 'split timeline" thing that I think GW did between the original and GW2, I guess it wouldn't make sense to write in Vvardenfell just yet.

nimander99 · October 2015

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

I think this (ESO) time period is about the time Dagoth Ur awakened and began gathering his forces quietly, only being discovered when the Tribunal tried to replenish their powers.

I'm a little fuzzy on the timeline for exactly when that happened, so I could be wrong, but I thought Dagoth Ur woke up some time after ESO. Again, though, I'm fuzzy on that detail, so I could totally be wrong.

You're right. I looked up a timeline and it's at least 3-400 years ahead. Well that throws THAT theory out the window.

Unless they do that 'split timeline" thing that I think GW did between the original and GW2, I guess it wouldn't make sense to write in Vvardenfell just yet.

The first event the House Dagoth was involved in is this...

Lore:Battle of Red Mountain http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Battle_of_Red_Mountain

The UESPWiki – Your source for The Elder Scrolls since 1995

< Lore: Appendices: Wars

This article is about the event. For the book, see The Battle of Red Mountain.

Red Mountain
The Battle of Red Mountain was the battle which, among other things, led to the sudden disappearance of the entire Dwemer race.[1][2] It took place around 1E 700, at the end of the War of the First Council between the Chimer (led by General Nerevar, the Hortator) and the Dwemer (led by Dumac Dwarfking).[2][3] The whole truth of what happened cannot be determined due to conflicting accounts.[4] Regardless, by the time the dust settled, much of that dust was all that remained of the Dwemer.[2] Though Nerevar died, his people claimed victory, and four Chimer were positioned to become living gods.[1][2] It is speculated that some of the extraordinary events surrounding the battle may be explained by a Dragon Break.[5][nb 1]

This seems to have been the second "Battle of Red Mountain" recorded in history.[nb 2] Circa 1E 416, over two hundred years before the 1E 700 battle, Chimer-Dwemer forces under the newly-formed First Council repulsed Nord conquerors (who were weakened by the Skyrim War of Succession) and united Morrowind for the first time.[6][7] Witnessing that ignominious defeat compelled the Nordic leader Jurgen Windcaller, the most powerful Tongue of the First Era, to pursue his famous seven-year meditation on "how Strong Voices could fail", culminating in the discovery of the Way of the Voice and the formation of the Greybeards.[3][7][8][9][nb 1]

This is what I believe you were referring to in your post above being a few hundred years after ESO?

The Re-awakening[edit]

In the year 2E 882, at the close of the Second Era, Dagoth Ur and his Ash Vampires became active again on Red Mountain, openly taking possession of the Heart Chamber. When the Almsivi attempted to partake in their annual ritual to re-infuse themselves with the power from the Heart of Lorkhan, they were opposed by Dagoth Ur and were ultimately unable to enter the Heart Chamber.

As you can see though, Dagoth was pretty chill during our time

TX12001rwb17_ESO · October 2015

You are aware a Vvardenfell expansion alone would be pretty damn Big infact it would be the biggest expansion due to the size of the Island itself unless it were divided into zones as Vvardenfell is a lot larger then orsinium infact it would almost as big as the area of Cyrodiil you get to play in Besides I can just imagine it....Group Dungeon / Ghost Gate, fight through the hordes of corpus infested monsters and do battle with the Ash Vampire in his citadel at the top of the mounta...oh wait Dagoth Ur and the Ash Vampires havn't awoken yet not for another few hundred years so that would be unlorefriendly, good idea for a dunegon but very unlorefriendly none the less and the lore is very important to the majority of players of the ES series.

Also according to the timeline of the 3rd era circa 414..the Vvardenfell territory is finnaly opened to imperial settlement so if zenimax does do anything they need to watch out for that small detail.

dodgehopper_ESO · October 2015

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

You are aware a Vvardenfell expansion alone would be pretty damn Big infact it would be the biggest expansion due to the size of the Island itself unless it were divided into zones as Vvardenfell is a lot larger then orsinium infact it would almost as big as the area of Cyrodiil you get to play in Besides I can just imagine it....Group Dungeon / Ghost Gate, fight through the hordes of corpus infested monsters and do battle with the Ash Vampire in his citadel at the top of the mounta...oh wait Dagoth Ur and the Ash Vampires havn't awoken yet not for another few hundred years so that would be unlorefriendly, good idea for a dunegon but very unlorefriendly none the less and the lore is very important to the majority of players of the ES series.

Also according to the timeline of the 3rd era circa 414..the Vvardenfell territory is finnaly opened to imperial settlement so if zenimax does do anything they need to watch out for that small detail.

I think if the players are hired by Telvanni or the Tribunal it would work. The Telvanni really don't care about rules (or even the Tribunal) and the Tribunal (via Vivec most likely) might want the player there to handle specific problems. Ashlanders would likely be extremely violent and xenophobic toward outsiders (as well as wild guar and cliff racers)! I think in this story the npc enemies would be Ashlanders, daedra cultists, wildlife, Nord Reavers (on the northern isles) and possibly some dwemer ghosts and artifacts.

ArcanusMagus · October 2015

Please do not release Vvardenfell! Morrowind the game is a classic's classic and remaking the island in ESO would not end well. Remakes are almost always terrible and bastardize the good memories from the earlier incarnation. I really don't want to see another travesty like the Red Year introduced into the lore.

Iluvrien · October 2015

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Seyda Neen might also be around as well, if only as a means of travelling to Balmora. I suspect the island is more for pilgrimage purposes though in this era, and should look significantly different.

Just as a side note of confirmation. Seyda Need is actually referred to by an NPC in ESO already. I was quite surprised recently while progressing through the story and quests that one of the actually mentioned it.

So Seyda Need does exist in ESO at this point in time.

Korah_Eaglecry · October 2015

ArcanusMagus wrote: »

Please do not release Vvardenfell! Morrowind the game is a classic's classic and remaking the island in ESO would not end well. Remakes are almost always terrible and bastardize the good memories from the earlier incarnation. I really don't want to see another travesty like the Red Year introduced into the lore.

Its not a remake. Every game is from the same universe, same world and same continent.

I dont see you complaining about High Rock or half of Skyrim being in the game. Skyrim by far one of the most famous TES game out there. Ive met my fair share of TES fans that didnt start with Skyrim look at me funny when I bring up Morrowind because they either never played it or they didnt know it existed.

I personally enjoyed Morrowind. But because the game was good doesnt exclude it from an MMO based in another time that is going to continue to add new areas of the Tamriel map so that players have new places to explore and level. Im not even going to get into the debate that the game was a 'classic' or great. Only thing I ever remember enjoying about it was the sheer amount of freedom and customization with mods.

Theres no 'bastardization' as it wont be in the same time period. The locale known as Vvardenfell in ESOs time is a protected reserve.

Gilvoth · October 2015

i have been asking for Vvardenfell since beta almost 3 years ago.

Stikato · October 2015

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i have been asking for Vvardenfell since beta almost 3 years ago.

Despite my fear of how ZOS might make Vvardenfell, I have to admit I am surprised it wasn't included in the original game or one of the first expansions. Even more surprised they didn't include Solstheim.

Gidorick · October 2015

Stikato wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i have been asking for Vvardenfell since beta almost 3 years ago.

Despite my fear of how ZOS might make Vvardenfell, I have to admit I am surprised it wasn't included in the original game or one of the first expansions. Even more surprised they didn't include Solstheim.

At least those damned invisible walls ZOS likes to put everywhere would make sense in Vvandenfell... What with the ghost fence and all.

ArcanusMagus · October 2015

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

ArcanusMagus wrote: »

Please do not release Vvardenfell! Morrowind the game is a classic's classic and remaking the island in ESO would not end well. Remakes are almost always terrible and bastardize the good memories from the earlier incarnation. I really don't want to see another travesty like the Red Year introduced into the lore.

Its not a remake. Every game is from the same universe, same world and same continent.

I dont see you complaining about High Rock or half of Skyrim being in the game. Skyrim by far one of the most famous TES game out there. Ive met my fair share of TES fans that didnt start with Skyrim look at me funny when I bring up Morrowind because they either never played it or they didnt know it existed.

I personally enjoyed Morrowind. But because the game was good doesnt exclude it from an MMO based in another time that is going to continue to add new areas of the Tamriel map so that players have new places to explore and level. Im not even going to get into the debate that the game was a 'classic' or great. Only thing I ever remember enjoying about it was the sheer amount of freedom and customization with mods.

Theres no 'bastardization' as it wont be in the same time period. The locale known as Vvardenfell in ESOs time is a protected reserve.

While I appreciate that you can take a post obviously directed at Zenimax and inject yourself into a decision-making process in which neither of us are actually involved, it would be fantastic if you would contructively explain why you would want to see Vvardenfell in ESO rather than spending your entire post attempting to tear down my post, which was my personal opinion.

TheShadowScout · October 2015

nimander99 wrote: »

As you can see though, Dagoth was pretty chill during our time

Indeed... though I for one would love it if they did make Vvardenfell, and if the player character got a chance to enter the red mountain, and maaaayybe kick off a chain of events that a few hundred years later would result in Dargoth Urs reawakening...

Anyways, I loved TES:Morrowind, while I did start on the Elder Scrolls earlier, Morrowind was the one game that made me a eternal TES fan. And as such, I would just looove to see it done in ESO, see all the familiar regions from Morrowind in their 2ndEra incarnation... much like we already got for Mournhold from TES:Morrowind-Tribunal.
I think the game would really benefit, just like it benefits from having parts of Cyrodil (TES:Oblivion) or Skyrim (TES:Skyrim)...
I for one would just love to visit Vivec, take a stroll through the telvanni or redoran lands, seek out the ashlander tribes or look at the ghostfence... maaaybe even find a talking mudcrab in a certain location...

Reznique · October 2015

The game will barely last till this if they keep releasing outrageous dlcs like ic and orsinium.

The level of grind in this game is beyond sanity and horrible jokes at ESO Live.

Detector · October 2015

Morrowind - it's my favorite part of scrolls. I gladly would have bought a DLC with map from TES-III.

Enodoc · October 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

Stikato wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i have been asking for Vvardenfell since beta almost 3 years ago.

Despite my fear of how ZOS might make Vvardenfell, I have to admit I am surprised it wasn't included in the original game or one of the first expansions. Even more surprised they didn't include Solstheim.

At least those damned invisible walls ZOS likes to put everywhere would make sense in Vvandenfell... What with the ghost fence and all.

...Except that the Ghostfence hasn't been built yet.

Regarding settlements, we know that Balmora, Suran, Ald'ruhn, Gnisis, Sadrith Mora, Tel Aruhn, and of course, Vivec City, all exist in this time period.

JD2013 · October 2015

Isn't Vvardenfell (barring some settlements, of course) mostly wasteland in the second era?

Though I can't deny how much I would love to see Balamora, Cliff Racers and Silt Striders in this game.

And Solstheim!

SeptimusDova · October 2015

Elsweyr island should be opened up. Mai'q is already there.Mai'q said that Elsweyr island is a great place with no elves.

Vrienda · October 2015

Remember that it was opened up for IMPERIAL settlement in the third era. So that just means you won't see the imperial forts and new ebonheart. Everything else will be more or less the same unless they let the pact stay there for a bit.

efster · October 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

Vvardenfell in the time of ESO is significantly different from Vvardenfell in the time of Morrowind, with much less "civilization" and much more wilderness and nomads.

That sounds a bit like ESO!Cyrodiil.

Either way I'd love to see Vvardenfell the way it would have been at this point in the canon timeline. I imagine that as a Morrowind (the game) fan it would be a bit like visiting Solstheim in Skyrim (only backwards in time instead of forwards).

Callous2208 · October 2015

ArcanusMagus wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

ArcanusMagus wrote: »

Please do not release Vvardenfell! Morrowind the game is a classic's classic and remaking the island in ESO would not end well. Remakes are almost always terrible and bastardize the good memories from the earlier incarnation. I really don't want to see another travesty like the Red Year introduced into the lore.

Its not a remake. Every game is from the same universe, same world and same continent.

I dont see you complaining about High Rock or half of Skyrim being in the game. Skyrim by far one of the most famous TES game out there. Ive met my fair share of TES fans that didnt start with Skyrim look at me funny when I bring up Morrowind because they either never played it or they didnt know it existed.

I personally enjoyed Morrowind. But because the game was good doesnt exclude it from an MMO based in another time that is going to continue to add new areas of the Tamriel map so that players have new places to explore and level. Im not even going to get into the debate that the game was a 'classic' or great. Only thing I ever remember enjoying about it was the sheer amount of freedom and customization with mods.

Theres no 'bastardization' as it wont be in the same time period. The locale known as Vvardenfell in ESOs time is a protected reserve.

While I appreciate that you can take a post obviously directed at Zenimax and inject yourself into a decision-making process in which neither of us are actually involved, it would be fantastic if you would contructively explain why you would want to see Vvardenfell in ESO rather than spending your entire post attempting to tear down my post, which was my personal opinion.

It seems you are confused and upset for some reason, which has caused you to lash out irrationally at this fellow. You stated your opinion, he informed you why he disagreed with it. You posted said opinion on a public forum. Therefore he has every right to "inject," himself into the conversation. This forum is not a place for you to communicate directly and privately with Zenimax. This gentleman is correct. Adding the zone to ESO would not be a "remake," as you call it. It is part of the ES universe, and existed in some state during this time period. It is not being remade, it's just there, plain and simple.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO · October 2015

ArcanusMagus wrote: »

Please do not release Vvardenfell! Morrowind the game is a classic's classic and remaking the island in ESO would not end well. Remakes are almost always terrible and bastardize the good memories from the earlier incarnation. I really don't want to see another travesty like the Red Year introduced into the lore.

Why is the Red Year a travesty? It happened. Vivec was just asking for it keeping a *** MOON hovering above his city, and once he vanished, there was nothing to keep it from smacking his precious city like Sheo intended. It set off a chain reaction of *** that screwed the Dunmer left right and center. The irony in hearing them sneer at you in Morrowind calling you "outlander" all the time then seeing them in Skyrim being called "Greyskins" is just delicious.

I like the way ES lore is handled, because they fill in the blanks and build on what was established. They don't butcher it like WoW does. Can you imagine what it'd be like if instead of being the Prince of *** and Corruption, they rewrite Molag Bal into 'oh he was forced to be evil, his free will was subverted'. He is what he is; a Daedric PRINCE, not a *** Disney princess.

Gilvoth · October 2015

TheShadowScout wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

As you can see though, Dagoth was pretty chill during our time

Indeed... though I for one would love it if they did make Vvardenfell, and if the player character got a chance to enter the red mountain, and maaaayybe kick off a chain of events that a few hundred years later would result in Dargoth Urs reawakening...

Anyways, I loved TES:Morrowind, while I did start on the Elder Scrolls earlier, Morrowind was the one game that made me a eternal TES fan. And as such, I would just looove to see it done in ESO, see all the familiar regions from Morrowind in their 2ndEra incarnation... much like we already got for Mournhold from TES:Morrowind-Tribunal.
I think the game would really benefit, just like it benefits from having parts of Cyrodil (TES:Oblivion) or Skyrim (TES:Skyrim)...
I for one would just love to visit Vivec, take a stroll through the telvanni or redoran lands, seek out the ashlander tribes or look at the ghostfence... maaaybe even find a talking mudcrab in a certain location...

and that my friend is the whole entire reason i asked for elderscrolls to make an mmo about 7 years ago on the bethesda forums.
and also, that is what i expected to see when i entered eso.
to see there was no morrowind nor Vvardenfell nor anything morrowind in it simply blows my mind and im shocked ...

Vrienda · October 2015

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

As you can see though, Dagoth was pretty chill during our time

Indeed... though I for one would love it if they did make Vvardenfell, and if the player character got a chance to enter the red mountain, and maaaayybe kick off a chain of events that a few hundred years later would result in Dargoth Urs reawakening...

Anyways, I loved TES:Morrowind, while I did start on the Elder Scrolls earlier, Morrowind was the one game that made me a eternal TES fan. And as such, I would just looove to see it done in ESO, see all the familiar regions from Morrowind in their 2ndEra incarnation... much like we already got for Mournhold from TES:Morrowind-Tribunal.
I think the game would really benefit, just like it benefits from having parts of Cyrodil (TES:Oblivion) or Skyrim (TES:Skyrim)...
I for one would just love to visit Vivec, take a stroll through the telvanni or redoran lands, seek out the ashlander tribes or look at the ghostfence... maaaybe even find a talking mudcrab in a certain location...

and that my friend is the whole entire reason i asked for elderscrolls to make an mmo about 7 years ago on the bethesda forums.
and also, that is what i expected to see when i entered eso.
to see there was no morrowind nor Vvardenfell nor anything morrowind in it simply blows my mind and im shocked ...

To be fair we do have Stonefalls and Deeshan. Which houses Mournhold, city of light, city of magic.

Gilvoth · October 2015

zmobie_dementor wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Vvardenfell in the time of ESO is significantly different from Vvardenfell in the time of Morrowind, with much less "civilization" and much more wilderness and nomads.

That sounds a bit like ESO!Cyrodiil.

well, i love pvp so, if the Vvardenfell expansion ever did happen, i would hope it would be pvp areas in it. would be so awesome.

Vrienda · October 2015

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

zmobie_dementor wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Vvardenfell in the time of ESO is significantly different from Vvardenfell in the time of Morrowind, with much less "civilization" and much more wilderness and nomads.

That sounds a bit like ESO!Cyrodiil.

well, i love pvp so, if the Vvardenfell expansion ever did happen, i would hope it would be pvp areas in it. would be so awesome.

Oh hell no! Imperial city is nothing but a gank fest thanks to PvP. Add an arena if they MUST have PvP, but leave it out of the open world.

Sotha_Sil · October 2015

Aeula wrote: »

To be fair we do have Stonefalls and Deeshan. Which houses Mournhold, city of light, city of magic.

Not impressed

we can't even see Almalexia once the quests are completed

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Fat-Larry-Makes-All · October 2015

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

Aeula wrote: »

To be fair we do have Stonefalls and Deeshan. Which houses Mournhold, city of light, city of magic.

Not impressed we can't even see Almalexia once the quests are completed .

Yea I was really bummed out when I figured out you don't get to meet the other two. All the way to Mournhold you hear people talk about them, hyping them up.. Put up or shut up!

But anyway, I think the Dunmer and Morrowind get plenty of attention in ESO. I'd rather see more of Hammerfell, Blackmarsh, Elseweyr or even the rest of the Summerset Isles.