Magicka Templar Ideal Stats?

Molag_Crow · September 2015

What is our ideal stats in PvP?

I'm not particularly asking because I struggle or anything like that, I don't -- it's just that I'm wondering whether or not 2k+ spell damage, 32k Magicka and 24K Health is good enough (with blue food buff and in PvP) to keep, as I'm still working on completing my set, and I want to make sure I choose the right 2 heavy pieces to craft with the amount of bars needed for Veteran 16 crafted gear. (I use 5 set Light v16 phoneix with them)

Should I lose some Magicka and go for more spell damage with my 2 set Heavy? or is -too- much spell damage pretty useless in PvP, maybe I should go for more Health/a Health-increasing (2) heavy crafted set? since I'm 24k Health with food buff in pvp even though I heal A LOT and dump some CP into healing.

Thanks!

Mr_Nobody · September 2015

It depends what you want to do ~

I have 38k magicka, 3.3k (buffed) and 3.6k (buffed after taking resource/keep) spell power and 21.5k health. My regen is kinda low but considering high magicka pool my engine guardian set procs at some time to regen. I could also remove engine guardian for another 200+ basic spell power ~

High spell power and magicka pool basically breaks down the Battle Debuff and makes you hit for the same amount of damage as you did on 1.6 with high damage builds.

Joy_Division · September 2015

I don't think there is an ideal.

You got to go with what works for your play-style. The PvP meta atm heavily favors these over health and health recovery. I would not trade health for spellpower or magicka. Generally you want to push spelldamage and magicka as high as they can go while still having enough regen. Where that sweet-spot is differs from person to person.

As a magicka templar, your stamina pool needs to be considered amongst your stats.

WillhelmBlack · September 2015

34/22/16k, 2100 spell power, 1450/300/900 regen. Those were my best stats as a magicka build and in 1.6 it was, not kidding, unstoppable. Now it's so weak it's not even remotely fun to play so I'm messing about trying to put together a stamina build atm, if I can't 1vX with that then it's time to find another game.

I can't believe people think the class has been buffed, some are even re-rolling to Templars in this update, they had no idea the power we had in 1.6. I know the nerfs are across the board etc but I'd use to take on and win against a Sorc, a NB and a DK, in 1.7 I'm dead in half a minute to more than two people.

Joy_Division · September 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

As a magicka templar, your stamina pool needs to be considered amongst your stats.

@Joy_Division You know what, I can't believe I didn't really consider Stamina because I have SO MANY problems with my stamina pool; it's 8.6k and 611 regen (I have some CP in Mooncalf, 8.1% stam recovery at the moment)

I even resort to using Stamina restore potions a lot, just to get out of all the snares or escape in mist form, since I use Retreating Maneuvers and that costs 7056 Stamina. Not to mention that I can barely block.

What do you recommend about that, then? maybe I should make my 2 Heavy v16 pieces Max Stamina Increase-related?

Add a few Max Stamina glyphs over a few Max magicka glyphs on my armor?

I really don't want to change my 5 Phoenix pieces nor my willpower swords & necklace.

Ha, my post makes it sounds like ignored you, when I was replying to an earlier post

In my opinion, and that is all it is, I having a reliable stamina pool to CC break is more important than maxing damage potential. I will and do make concessions to maximum magic to ensure this is so and I am very hesitant to use my stamina for anything other than CC break. I block and bash very selectively because of the new patch mechanics, I do not use any stamina abilities, and I use blue stamina+magicka regen instead of food. You are going to need about 1k stamina regen to continuously break CCs thrown at you on cooldown. Drink is the easiest way to achieve this as regen without changing your build/gear. Alternatively, slot the stam regen mundas instead of something like the mage. I would not add stamina glyphs because you wont need it for dungeons or what not and would just be a waste also, adding 2k stamina won't make much of a difference since the cost of break free is so expensive. I run drinks for pvp and food for pve so I don't have to keep changing stuff.

I know very good players who have about the same stamina stats as you do and they do perfectly fine for themselves, so, again, it comes down to matching your playstyle with your stats/gear. With the way I play, I found that I died more often to enemy CCs than not doing enough damage, so that is the basis of my perspective.

bigereard · September 2015

DPS or healer or support? or tank? What's your build?
How much champion point you have?

Magicka = more number in your tooltip + more burst spam
Spellpower = more number in your tooltip

If we only looking at the base value and number in your tooltip, spellpower generally better than magicka, but not always.
With high champion point + magicka racial bonus + some max magicka passive/active, magicka bonus from sets is as good as spell damage + major minor sorcery, maybe better.

For a melee your health is ideal.

If you are a build that use many skill that doesn't really dependent on spellpower and magicka (like blazing shield, cleansing ritual, restoring aura, eclipse, rune focus, mist form, etc) dump your magicka stat and go full health, change your food to drink (mag+stam regen)

If you are tank or self healing build, I recommend to use healing taken sets, because you will need to counter the healing debuff.

If you are a DPS, i recommend to choose magicka (if you have high CP & magicka racial), or spellpower (if you low in CP and have access to major sorcery buff).

However if you only have 2 slot, I'll recommend you to use that slot for monster sets. Scourge harvester for self healing, blood spawn for tanking and ultiamte gain (+stamina regen you are lacking), molag kena for burst DPS, or engine guardian for versatility and resource.

If you have trouble with resource, I also recommend to change your food to drink (mag+stam), increase your health to at least 25k in PvP, and the rest go magicka/spellpower.

Molag_Crow · September 2015

Hmmmmm I see, so maybe I should just continue with the same route for now and build up more Magicka/Spell damage through gear upgrades, although for the (2) Heavy crafted pieces, I don't know... I was thinking maybe Magnus' 2 Heavy and Resto staff, instead of the v14 Master resto staff, or 2 Torag's Heavy for Spell damage instead.

What confuses me is that you're supposed to do more damage the higher your magicka pool is, right? and obviously the more spell damage you have, so that's where I'm debating whether or not to accept a certain amount of spell damage and focus on more Magicka instead.

Molag_Crow · September 2015

Joy_Division wrote: »

As a magicka templar, your stamina pool needs to be considered amongst your stats.

@Joy_Division You know what, I can't believe I didn't really consider Stamina because I have SO MANY problems with my stamina pool; it's 8.6k and 611 regen (I have some CP in Mooncalf, 8.1% stam recovery at the moment)

I even resort to using Stamina restore potions a lot, just to get out of all the snares or escape in mist form, since I use Retreating Maneuvers and that costs 7056 Stamina. Not to mention that I can barely block.

What do you recommend about that, then? maybe I should make my 2 Heavy v16 pieces Max Stamina Increase-related?

Add a few Max Stamina glyphs over a few Max magicka glyphs on my armor?

I really don't want to change my 5 Phoenix pieces nor my willpower swords & necklace.

Joy_Division · September 2015

Spellpower and magicka are two different means to arrive at the same goal: more healing, more damage. Try not to think of them as either or, but avenues you can simultaneously take to make your character more effective: you could devote most of your attributes to magicka and - not or - use spell power glyphs on your jewelry for example. You try to make both of them as high as possible without too much sacrifice on your health and stamina pools.

A master's restoration staff could work, but it is VR14 and the new VR16 gears scales far greater (provided it is gold). This means you need the willpower jewelry, you need vr16 armor. A lot of templars are going with the kragereck's set because that give a high spell damage and makes your already good rezzes that much better. The rest is up to you: Seducer for more regeneration, Undaunted set for more versatility, two swords (Torug's Pact) for more spell damage. Any of these can work. I use the Phoenix set, but that is my preference rather than it being strictly better.

Molag_Crow · September 2015

@Joy_Division Thanks, that makes sense... the reason I use food is because of the health issues, like in PvP I'm only 17k Health without the food buff, so you can imagine how low my health is outside of PvP...

I even put like 13 attribute points into health, and 1 glyph on my heavy helmet for 700 Health, but I see what you mean with the regen being more important for CC breaking. May have to go for the mundus stone or maybe Stamina regen on a Ring, or something!

Thanks for the advice and tips... appreciated.

Akinos · September 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

What is our ideal stats in PvP?

I'm not particularly asking because I struggle or anything like that, I don't -- it's just that I'm wondering whether or not 2k+ spell damage, 32k Magicka and 24K Health is good enough (with blue food buff and in PvP) to keep, as I'm still working on completing my set, and I want to make sure I choose the right 2 heavy pieces to craft with the amount of bars needed for Veteran 16 crafted gear. (I use 5 set Light v16 phoneix with them)

Should I lose some Magicka and go for more spell damage with my 2 set Heavy? or is -too- much spell damage pretty useless in PvP, maybe I should go for more Health/a Health-increasing (2) heavy crafted set? since I'm 24k Health with food buff in pvp even though I heal A LOT and dump some CP into healing.

Thanks!

What race are you?

Molag_Crow · September 2015

High Elf

Akinos · September 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

High Elf

That would explain the lower stamina and hp, but honestly those stats are fine imo. Although you should be using purple food rather then blue.

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