Torbschka wrote: »

Hey guys,



my question is: he is saying its "so good etc"., but what is the reason for running this as sorc? the only sorc skill he is using is boundless storm, so i dont see why this build is as a sorcerer superior as it would be as a nightblade or anything else?

The obvious reason is he has access to vigor on his sorcerer and it takes some time to get to vigor.

Torbschka wrote: »

Oops: It didnt work as intended :D7

Hey,

im very sorry. But I have to say I'm very "new" to the scene (just started with console version) and all I did was following you guys (Delita, Sypher, You etc.) on youtube and was just asking myself about that build. I didnt even know all that scene stuff here and still dont know. I ddint even know that there are so many "haters", I thought every1 is proud about the youtubers of youtube, cause they promote the game etc

I'm sorry, it wasnt my goal to start such a discussion. Keep up the good work, i really enjoy your channel!

best regards

torbschka

I will continue to do what i do do and i hope people continue to enjoy it hate is apart of growth. if i didnt have popularit

Torbschka wrote: »

Oops: It didnt work as intended :D7

Hey,

im very sorry. But I have to say I'm very "new" to the scene (just started with console version) and all I did was following you guys (Delita, Sypher, You etc.) on youtube and was just asking myself about that build. I didnt even know all that scene stuff here and still dont know. I ddint even know that there are so many "haters", I thought every1 is proud about the youtubers of youtube, cause they promote the game etc

I'm sorry, it wasnt my goal to start such a discussion. Keep up the good work, i really enjoy your channel!

best regards

torbschka

I know man im glad you made this post dont worry i am here to help others grow in ESO and if people dont like me so be it. This type of stuff comes with the territory if you ever need me you can message me or comment on youtube. and if you like make a forum post. you cant controll peoples actions!

Stam sorc is fun, I just want it to be on part with the other classes as stam. It needs an instant cast damage ability, to even be close to on part with NB.

Torbschka wrote: »

Hey guys,

this is the build:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=XHGAyhOdH_k

my question is: he is saying its "so good etc"., but what is the reason for running this as sorc? the only sorc skill he is using is boundless storm, so i dont see why this build is as a sorcerer superior as it would be as a nightblade or anything else?

I dont mean this as a "flame". by no means, im a new player on ps4 and king richard is without a doubt one of the best players in this game, im just asking because im also playing stamina sorc. Am I missing anything here, is boundless storm so strong?

thanks for the clarification guys,

best regards
torbschka

Lol one of the best in the game. Guy lost one of the biggest tournaments in the first round and hits like a pillow. All he does is soak up damage and bolt away.

Richards stamina sorc is really powerful and matchs up to stamina NB but isnt exactly better but still on equal footing when player skill comes into play.

I think a good way to describe it is how I describe *most* of the builds I make, Richards stamina sorc is capable of killing anyone -If you die its your fault not the build-

Thats how I feel with my build, I know richard makes builds the same way being able to beat anyone. (Based on the players skill/reactions)

rishardnelsonb14_ESO wrote: »

Araxleon wrote: »

Richards stamina sorc is really powerful and matchs up to stamina NB but isnt exactly better but still on equal footing when player skill comes into play.

I think a good way to describe it is how I describe *most* of the builds I make, Richards stamina NB is capable of killing anyone -If you die its your fault not the build-

Thats how I feel with my build, I know richard makes builds the same way being able to beat anyone. (Based on the players skill/reactions)

Thnx for that arax for that im curious to see how much you excel in 1.7 you have never given up on your magicka NB and i think your hardwork will pay off in 1.7 when cloak is fixed and broken mechanics like perma block dodge roll and nirn are fixed. Cant wait!

haha thanks,

Just to correct above I meant ~Richards stamina sorc is capable of killing anyone~
I wrote NB by accident subject is about sorc lol
though I find your NB a nightmare x_x its like its made to F*** me xD

Stam Sorc and Stam DK are really no different at the heart of it, neither bring anything unique to the table, and they both spam Wrecking Blow to do anything, if they aren't spamming WB then they won't be much of a threat, if at all, since nearly every other stam weapon can be so easily healed through or countered.

Snit wrote: »

That's a tribute to how good stamina builds have become. It has nothing to do with being a sorc.

Every other class has more to add to a stamina build than sorc.

I saw an AD PvP guild advertising they want stamina sorcs (among other things like magicka NBs, etc.) and I was like, "interesting." Not because I'm anti-stamina sorc but it did make me wonder what exactly they want from a stamina build that happens to be a sorc.

This is old stam sorcerer build.

They love my thrad xD
#himum

Master_Kas wrote: »

HeroOfNone wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

Stam Sorc and Stam DK are really no different at the heart of it, neither bring anything unique to the table, and they both spam Wrecking Blow to do anything, if they aren't spamming WB then they won't be much of a threat, if at all, since nearly every other stam weapon can be so easily healed through or countered.

Sorcs even in stamina build still have a better escape and damage shields, and cN pump thier dage up pretty high.

Stamina DKS can survive and dot up a target, but far less effective in bursting targets unless it's just wrecking blow/dawnbreaker

You forgetting Dragon leap / take flight which is the only ultimate in the came which is physical damage?

You forgetting battle roar?

Ignesious shield that buffs up your rally/vigor heal by alot + returns stamina on cast?

Stamina DK is strong, if not stronger than a stamina sorc in general.

Dragon leap helps, but Dawnbreaker is still a pretty strong meta. Not to mention that Dawnbreaker can still be block canceled

Battle roar works well for drawn out fights, but if your relying on bringing your resources up verses bursting down enemies your probably dead.

Igneous Shield is good for a heal buff and stamina regen, but it has little on the class made for the shield stack. If your taking time to cast it your not using wrecking blow, you're taking yourself out of stealth, and your probably being hit with a lot of damage spam to remove the 3k? (With war debuff) shield.



The parity of abilities aside, the single most important thing with the sorc is its escape. Sorcs and NBS both have built in escapes that will give them an advantage over every other class in PVP. Where us DKs and Templars have to stand and fight, sorcs have a fairly easy time doing a burst combo, running away, and reseting resources. You can go with vampire for a bit more mobility if you have the champion points to negate the fire damage, or you could go with bow with the roll dodge speed boost, but those are your only two options really.

Erock25 wrote: »

HeroOfNone wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

Stam Sorc and Stam DK are really no different at the heart of it, neither bring anything unique to the table, and they both spam Wrecking Blow to do anything, if they aren't spamming WB then they won't be much of a threat, if at all, since nearly every other stam weapon can be so easily healed through or countered.

Sorcs even in stamina build still have a better escape and damage shields, and cN pump thier dage up pretty high.

Stamina DKS can survive and dot up a target, but far less effective in bursting targets unless it's just wrecking blow/dawnbreaker

HeroOfNone wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

HeroOfNone wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

Stam Sorc and Stam DK are really no different at the heart of it, neither bring anything unique to the table, and they both spam Wrecking Blow to do anything, if they aren't spamming WB then they won't be much of a threat, if at all, since nearly every other stam weapon can be so easily healed through or countered.

Sorcs even in stamina build still have a better escape and damage shields, and cN pump thier dage up pretty high.

Stamina DKS can survive and dot up a target, but far less effective in bursting targets unless it's just wrecking blow/dawnbreaker

You forgetting Dragon leap / take flight which is the only ultimate in the came which is physical damage?

You forgetting battle roar?

Ignesious shield that buffs up your rally/vigor heal by alot + returns stamina on cast?

Stamina DK is strong, if not stronger than a stamina sorc in general.

Dragon leap helps, but Dawnbreaker is still a pretty strong meta. Not to mention that Dawnbreaker can still be block canceled

Battle roar works well for drawn out fights, but if your relying on bringing your resources up verses bursting down enemies your probably dead.

Igneous Shield is good for a heal buff and stamina regen, but it has little on the class made for the shield stack. If your taking time to cast it your not using wrecking blow, you're taking yourself out of stealth, and your probably being hit with a lot of damage spam to remove the 3k? (With war debuff) shield.



The parity of abilities aside, the single most important thing with the sorc is its escape. Sorcs and NBS both have built in escapes that will give them an advantage over every other class in PVP. Where us DKs and Templars have to stand and fight, sorcs have a fairly easy time doing a burst combo, running away, and reseting resources. You can go with vampire for a bit more mobility if you have the champion points to negate the fire damage, or you could go with bow with the roll dodge speed boost, but those are your only two options really.

@hereofnone There is no reason ever for a stam sorc to use it's class shield. It is less shielding than Igneous Shield in a stam spec and of course it doesn't give stamina on cast nor boost healing ability. It really seems like you are commenting on the stam sorc without ever playing one. Mobility? I can Streak twice on my stam sorc if I want to blow through all of my magicka. Thundering Presence is nice alright but the speed boost part of it is short in duration and Retreating Maneuvers works very well in comparison ... especially considering you don't aggro every mob you pass along the way.

As a stam sorc, I'd trade my little bonus in mobility for some of those DK tools you shrugged off in a second.

Yes, I'm commenting on a DK side playing against stamina and magicka sorcs. I might sound like I'm saying Sorcs are the end all to be all in PVP, but getting back to the original comment I was commenting on:

Yonkit wrote: »

Stam Sorc and Stam DK are really no different at the heart of it, neither bring anything unique to the table, and they both spam Wrecking Blow to do anything, if they aren't spamming WB then they won't be much of a threat, if at all, since nearly every other stam weapon can be so easily healed through or countered.

There is parity, but significant difference in the way the two play.

I'd still argue the sorcs do better stacking up their weapon damage and burst DPS, and even 2 streaks + caltrops and narrow sewer corridors still gives sorcs a hell of a mobility advantage. Watch @rishardnelsonb14_ESO or several other stamina sorcs, they still use it.

I'll concede the damage shield argument to more experienced sorcs, but still seeing it used in a lot of stamina sorc builds. Maybe an old habit? Still makes my DOT abilities near useless when they fail to proc on it. Still been using vigor/rally and then mistform away more often for a solid heal, especially with shield breaker being so prevalent.