Devs, do you play your own game in pvp?

aco5712 · September 2015

Do you play every class both mag and stam?

Im asking because i just went onto the dev tracker and found the nerf cloak and the talons nerfed threads.....

Cloak doesnt need to be given reduced magicka recovery or any nerf because cloak has so many counters. It is not a NBs fault if his opposition doesnt have aoe, pots, mark, flare or anything else that pops you out of cloak. Heck even gap closers still will get them out of cloak sometimes. NBs have no heals hence why they need a escape mechanism.... you implemented this in the game like this....

The talons change..... you already saw the uproar that caused..... which is probably why i made this thread. to vent my frustration..
The DK has taken so many nerfs. 1.6 really redefined the DK and by redefined i mean nerfed. No ulti gen and no wings, you brought the class to one knee but we got up, found some builds and kept fighting. 1.7 hits and you throw DK to the floor, GDB heals squat. Block nerf hit the DK pretty hard because we have no escapes or mobility outside vamp. and now you thought you would nerf talons by making it blockable.....

how can you think that nerfing a class that has already taken so much damage from the last 2 patches even more?

Lets not even get started on the 1.7 blanket battle spirit nerf.

i dont know which qqers you listen to, which groups you run with in game (if you do), which guilds you talk to but they are all the wrong ones if you are coming up with nerfs like these.

Come on ZOS, step up your game.... seriously, this is just ridiculous....

VoiDGhOs7 · September 2015

Cloak has many counters the problem is that most of counters dont work well or are useless for magicka based builds additionally the nerf to detection pots and the fix to cloak made it even stronger.

As Zos is considering to stop the magicka regen while cloaked is not a big nerf for magicka nb's since they have a very high pool,the nerf can affect the stamblades in a more negative way.

To avoid the nerf would nice to have back the old detects pots and maybe the QQ about cloak OP will stop.

leepalmer95 · September 2015

I have a stam dk at the moment and i use 1-2 skills of it, most of the passives are useless for me and the other skills just aren't even considered.

Sucks when the only 2 stam morphs a dk has are both Dot's and not used in pvp because Dot's are useless.

Sensesfail13 · September 2015

To keep it simple, No. They do not. It is blatantly obvious.

sicc · September 2015

Im starting to get really irritated myself with all the nerfs. I have a v14-16 of all classes and honestly can beat every other class one way or another. The constant whining of lazy players that aren't willing to adapt and causing allot of horrible changes (imo) is driving me away.

I found it so funny when whiners made threads about perma blocking orperma cloakers and how their entire group can't kill them. The reality is there's just allot of realy bad players, i mean horrible players, and they have a loud voice that zos listens to.

aco5712 · September 2015

sicc wrote: »

Im starting to get really irritated myself with all the nerfs. I have a v14-16 of all classes and honestly can beat every other class one way or another. The constant whining of lazy players that aren't willing to adapt and causing allot of horrible changes (imo) is driving me away.

I found it so funny when whiners made threads about perma blocking orperma cloakers and how their entire group can't kill them. The reality is there's just allot of realy bad players, i mean horrible players, and they have a loud voice that zos listens to.

so many bad players..... its actually incredible

Volrion · September 2015

sicc wrote: »

Im starting to get really irritated myself with all the nerfs. I have a v14-16 of all classes and honestly can beat every other class one way or another. The constant whining of lazy players that aren't willing to adapt and causing allot of horrible changes (imo) is driving me away.

I found it so funny when whiners made threads about perma blocking orperma cloakers and how their entire group can't kill them. The reality is there's just allot of realy bad players, i mean horrible players, and they have a loud voice that zos listens to.

I think they should just cap CPs on certain servers and be done with it.

Then you can't really complain about anything. If I die, I know it's only due to a couple of variables which I can actually control; Player skill, and gear. Which we can all acquire without too much of a time investment.

Mojmir · September 2015

To answer the op, no they don't play it.what they play is a version in their office on their intranet everything is peachy keen. then they release I to us, and it takes a ***.

Forestd16b14_ESO · September 2015

If they did they would have dealt with block casting and properly dealt with shields and would have gotten rid of shield stacking instead of nerfing shields Kyne sake shield probely would have gotten buffed to make up for the lack of being able to stack 6 shields at once and would have balanced the broken skills.

Kinda pointless to try something original in Cyrodiil and IC when it's way easier for a player just has to hold down the block button and spam WB or crystal frag or what ever broken skill said player spams.

Alucardo · September 2015

VoiDGhOs7 wrote: »

Cloak has many counters the problem is that most of counters dont work well or are useless for magicka based builds additionally the nerf to detection pots and the fix to cloak made it even stronger.

If counters worked TOO well then cloak would be useless, wouldn't it? Or is that what people want? Sounds like they're going to get their wish one way or another.

jelliedsoup · September 2015

Yeah the devs are all Sorcs.

They streak, drag, curse...and win.

Haven't you ever wondered why in your death recap everything else does 3k tops and curse and drag hits for 5~10k each?
Yes that's right devs love Sorcs.

Personally I wouldn't play the game if I had to be Harry potter, but some people love it.

Oh you're a Sorc complaining about cloak? Just streak in the general direction. It has a huge corridor of about 60 degrees and 10 metres or so. It also has the benefit of going through walls.

I know it's frustrating that you have to wait 2.9 seconds, but remember good things come to those who wait.

Mojmir · September 2015

One of the devs is a NB lover,and yet another likes to hard cast as a sorc,I don't think qualifies as even knowing the class that well

Scyantific · September 2015

People who complain about cloak are people who are too lazy to keep Detect pots on their quickslots.

AshTal · September 2015

It would be better if they would just have a couple of CP capped servers. Right now the issue is seldom with the average player the anger tends to be against the night blade who can jump a group of 20 kill 3 people then vanish before they get down to 50% health and just keep doing it. Or the DK who jumps into a keep full of people roots them, kills them all and then jumps out to continue breaking down the walls.

They need to find a way to counter the 1% of uber players and the need to play in a zerg train running round kicking out steel tornado over and over rather than nerfing individual skills.

Tavore1138 · September 2015

Look up eso devs play pts on youtube and you will find an example of the pvp devs playing IC, it is...... Interesting...

Asmael · September 2015

Let's see...
- C.Frag hardcast spam
- Liquid Lightning spam
- Executioner on a target with 50%+ HP
- Using templar's ultimate heal at full health
- Random light attack weaving in the air
- Stam sorc specialized in Crit rush / WB spam
- All running out of stam in a split second
- Blocking? Wazzat?
- Reaction times that would make me fear for my life if I were to see them driving a car
- ... Do I really need to go on?

Wollust · September 2015

AshTal wrote: »

It would be better if they would just have a couple of CP capped servers. Right now the issue is seldom with the average player the anger tends to be against the night blade who can jump a group of 20 kill 3 people then vanish before they get down to 50% health and just keep doing it. Or the DK who jumps into a keep full of people roots them, kills them all and then jumps out to continue breaking down the walls.

They need to find a way to counter the 1% of uber players and the need to play in a zerg train running round kicking out steel tornado over and over rather than nerfing individual skills.

CP doesnt have so much to do with this. If a DK can jump into a keep and kill all of the players there, those players are simply extremely bad and they would still be bad even with 3600 CP.
While I agree that the CP system is stupid, most of the people definitely overthink its impact.

And the counter to those "uber" players has already happened with the new update and all the s*** it brought, as this stuff favors larger numbers anyway. What you described was quite possible in 1.6, but is veryvery hard in 1.7.
But I still fail to see the point why those good players should be punished. Why should skilled people get nerfed and unskilled people buffed? Everyone can play the game and learn how to play their class properly, it's just practice.

Nijjion · September 2015

Why should NBs be the only class needing a potion to be used to counter a skill? How is that at all fair and balanced?

Sanct16 · September 2015

Nijjion wrote: »

Why should NBs be the only class needing a potion to be used to counter a skill? How is that at all fair and balanced?

Especially consodering you cant use a tristat afterwards so classes like dk that depend on spamming pots are ***...

Tavore1138 · September 2015

Nijjion wrote: »

Why should NBs be the only class needing a potion to be used to counter a skill? How is that at all fair and balanced?

They aren't - why do you think the unstoppable potion exists?

Gilvoth · September 2015

it is completely obvious the devs DO NOT play eso, niether stamina nor magicka based characters.
they dont play eso.

Gilvoth · September 2015

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Look up eso devs play pts on youtube and you will find an example of the pvp devs playing IC, it is...... Interesting...

that stuff is fake, all they did was take some footage of the testers and used it with thier voices.

Bashev · September 2015

VoiDGhOs7 wrote: »

Cloak has many counters the problem is that most of counters dont work well or are useless for magicka based builds additionally the nerf to detection pots and the fix to cloak made it even stronger.

As Zos is considering to stop the magicka regen while cloaked is not a big nerf for magicka nb's since they have a very high pool,the nerf can affect the stamblades in a more negative way.

To avoid the nerf would nice to have back the old detects pots and maybe the QQ about cloak OP will stop.

Revealing flare for magicka users and caltrops for stamina users. And bring back the duration of the potions that counter clock to 40 seconds

Tavore1138 · September 2015

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Look up eso devs play pts on youtube and you will find an example of the pvp devs playing IC, it is...... Interesting...

that stuff is fake, all they did was take some footage of the testers and used it with thier voices.

And the moon landings were fake too?

You have evidence that is fake? Who faked it and why?

Waffennacht · September 2015

First off immovable potions are WAY better than detect pots. As immovable is used against an enemy that wants to stay in combat, detect has a radius and is against an enemy that wants to run. Immovable is relevant for its whole term, detect is only good for one use of the cloak. They cloak, i pop potion, by the timer is up to re use detect they have already gone back into cloak.

I do not want cloak to be nerfed, cloak is far more difficult to deal with than the other abilities, if cloak shouldn't be nerfed neither should any other abilities

Mojmir · September 2015

Those who can't do teach, those who can't teach develop lol

Lava_Croft · September 2015

Look on Twitch, there's a video of some ZOS developers playing the Imperial City. Watching it will answer all your questions regarding this topic.

Mad respect if you manage to watch the entire video to the end.

Devotion · September 2015

The proposed changes are ridiculous. I can't believe they are listening to whiners. Any decent pvper will know how to.counter cloak

SC0TY999 · September 2015

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

To keep it simple, No. They do not. It is blatantly obvious.

They're too busy working on the game breaking bugs *cough cough*

Angarato · September 2015

I love stamina nb. never played magicka nb nor care too. im honestly scared that this change will *** us hard. it has so many counters already and we cant spam it at all like magicka nbs can.

don't break stamina build cause you wanna nerf magicka build.

AshTal · September 2015

I would be surprised if the Dev's played PvP on any populated server for long. They would soon get hit by the AOE Spamming Train and it would be nerfed to crap by the next patch. Or have 5 of them fighting one guy and wonder why all their attacks can't even get him down 10% of his health before he kills them all. We would probably see better changes to PvP if they did play more of it.